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10 year olds learning about the holocaust etc

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restbetweentheelements · 23/07/2021 19:48

Dc's yeargroup are 9/10
His teacher this year has told them in graphic detail about:

  • gas chambers in german concentration camps
  • terror in french revolution by showing painting of chopped off head with blood held up next to guillotine and details of what happened
  • all about the charlie hebdo teacher terrorist attack in france
  • murders in news how many women were killed by partners - they chatted about the news on fridays and dc said it was never about life affirming things (he said nice or interesting things)
DC has been affected by it, and he drew a picture of his teacher with a guillotine and children and he wrote "our teacher is killing us with terror" (he draws a lot, is quite expressive generally...) - i found the drawing screwed up in the bottom of his bag

YANBU - the teaching is not appropriate, the subject matter of treatment of Jews etc is ok in age appropriare way is okay but focusing on terror aspects is not
YABU - no problem with this

If YANBU, then WWYD
I remember learning about medieval torture methods when 10, at school. Is there some sort of theory about terror being useful for 10 year olds???

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thisplaceisweird · 21/01/2022 14:43

You need to grow a thicker skin and teach your children to do the same. The more drama you apply to the situation (stop bloody calling it 'terror' as a start) the more he will.

Those are all real things that happened. He needs to know. In 3 years he'll be a teenager and he should have a good idea of what the world is really like.

Kanaloa · 21/01/2022 17:39

@restbetweentheelements

This is a super old thread 😂 but yes I’m not sure how you would really cover the transatlantic slave trade without some violent content being included. Unless you rewrote it to resemble a Shirley Temple movie with happy slaves who love working. I guess I look for something different in history books to that review! Personally I look for accurate history.

Kanaloa · 21/01/2022 17:43

Sorry meant that in reply to @AsYouWishButtercup

OP seemed to think I was a bit mean/was neglecting my motherly duties in not feeling worried about my kids learning these things but it’s all a part of history! If they were only going to learn a heavily sanitised version I’d sooner they remained ignorant altogether.

And the horrible histories books and tv programme are still great in my opinion! My kids absolutely loved them and it was one of those that the parent can enjoy too.

EdithRea · 21/01/2022 18:06

I had to give my 9 year old an impromptu Holocaust chat because they were about to watch 'The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas'. This actually pissed me off, because it's a completely inaccurate and stupidly offensive book and a worse film. It clumsily makes the point that an audience can only care about deaths when a blonde kid gets involved. Such a dreadful message, and the book itself was poorly researched, poorly written and the author involved in plagiarism scandals, I believe. I basically told him "this is a crap book. When you're older you can read better ones. And better films, too."

ANYWAY the other issue is that at 9, frankly, none of the kids were equipped to comprehend or understand the matter to any depth. "Da bad man called Itler wanted to kill Jews" means nothing to a child if they haven't been taught any background - what is "the war", what is "the Jews", what is "the economic collapse after the punitive measures invoked after WWI", what is "antisemitism", what is "genocide."

My son and I read over a history book and he cried a bit, we both did, and he 'got' it, and we talked about it in some depth, but when he went in he said most of the kids just looked blank, couldn't answer any of the questions and were confused on basic aspects, like "what's Germany".

It just seemed a bit pointless. I could teach a bunch of five year olds about the events leading up to the Vietnam War and the Fall of Saigon, or the Cambodian Killing Fields, I'd have some nice Powerpoints and worksheets, but at the end of the day are they going to actually understand, or just be sat there looking blankly at me?

You need to kind of ease into it with your basic World War II knowledge. Set a bit of groundwork so the kids have some vague sense of where the events fit into modern history. You can't just be colouring a picture of a stone age house one day and the next day be like "well, good morning kids, here's Auschwitz".

Your other point is a good one. Primary schools are really keen, it seems, on using the killings of people, especially women, as a joke. See Henry VIII. How hilarious it is that a man murders two women and multiple men for his own ends. How funny saying "heads chopped off" is. Let's laugh at the rumour Anne had six fingers. It's vile. It's depressing that this is still going on, and even bringing in modern domestic violence murders? Jesus. There's a belief that "kids love gross stuff" but we should have evolved to the point that people being murdered isn't "funny" or "tee hee yucky". I mean, one minute the deaths of the Holocaust are tragic, but the deaths in the French Revolution are hilarious? What lesson are they learning there?

alphabetsoup1980 · 21/01/2022 18:12

YABU.

fuzzyduck1 · 21/01/2022 18:15

I knew about the holocaust and the horrors of war at the age of 10. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for them to learn these things at that age.
Maybe it’s different these days my parents grew up during the war it my be different these days as it’s more likely that children’s great grandparents were the ones that lived through it but they may not pass their experiences through to the kids.

The persecution of minorities still happens so it seems that people haven’t learn the lessons from the past that well.

restbetweentheelements · 21/01/2022 20:13

I was the OP - only saw these comments because I was sent an email!

DC were shown an appallingly inappropriate video first week back in Sept, I finally complained to the head and it hasn't happened since, thank goodness, and hopefully it won't. If they hadn't reacted we'd have moved schools.

The parents here saying the gore and details are fine - it isn't according to research though, it doesn't help a child learn as the shock will make the brain go offline, it won't help the child mature or grow up or understand empathy or politcs or anything better. You can teach every subject referred to here including slavery, the cambodian civil war, everything else to 10 year olds effectively without terror shock or gore.

I don't know if I mentioned this upthread but to those saying the french revolution is commonly known about for kids, if you google it i a pretty sure you'll find details you weren't aware of which will make you feel sick. Also slavery - would you read to 10 year olds real eyewitness accounts of how young girl slaves were stripped naked, made to lie face down with legs apart and arms and legs tied in a busy market place and then whipped? This is in the Guardian compendium of eye witness accounts. It is important history that we should all know about as adults, but for kids there is a line. Humans can be depraved towards eachother but you don't want your kids to know every gory detail surely.

Humans can also be outstandingly kind and powefully altruistic, and I'd prefer my 10 year old to be learning about that, doing kindness projects, so that that is his and his classmate's longterm blueprint. Plenty of time to learn about the crap in a few years from now.

Is what I think @Kanaloa but i am not judging you, as you think. Live and let live,we can agree to disagree. I am not particularly over sensitive, doubt my dc will be, they'll turn out like me, yours will turn out like you, that is fine and as it should be! I wanted to know what most people thought and why, and this thread was super helpful.

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restbetweentheelements · 21/01/2022 20:22

*classmates'

@EdithRea thanks for your post. Also just in case you are interested for your 9 year old, and you haven't found them, DK do amazing books on the world wars (and geography! and everything else), for his age group, a lot of socio economic and political detail, details about key events and people, without gore!

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