NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

Some unbelievable responses on here who clearly dislike nurses as usual, no other HCP get the same vitriol. Lol at the adapt to the work as in a cafe yeah that's the same. If we could some how adapt our limbs to care for more patients at once we would be so much more useful. Yes we are underpaid for what we do. How do we work out how much we deserve? Let's look at nurses in different areas say ITU/A&E/Ward etc compile the list of skills they undertake and apply an amount accordingly. Of course if the government did that to they would have to increase our pay considerably.

I could tell you about the lives I have saved, the people I have held,the bad news I have given, the mistakes I have stopped doctors or the discharges I have facilitated to ensure the cancer surgeries go ahead but, you would not be interested.

I am very grateful for my pension and sick pay, but the reason we have this is to make up for the poor pay and conditions. And again there are not endless band 7 & 8 to go to, often a 7 stays in post for years plus, and you need to have experience at a 7 to be an 8!! You see how that works.

It's not really about how many hours we work per day, we were not consulted, but the NHS saved money as we now have to work an extra shift to make up the difference and we have lost some of our paid breaks. But as it's so easy come and join us.

To my colleagues we know why we do this job and we are bloody good at it, I just laugh at the ignorant comments.

People who do not work in the NHS have no idea at all how the progression from one banding to the next actually works, and what it entails. As shown by the false comparisons with the military and police.

As was posted up thread, there are lots of opportunities for nurses who want to develop and expand their skillset to earn more money.

It’s possible for nurses to earn well over £100,000 at band 9.

Very few organisations offer pay rises if an individual is not looking to push themselves.

@GreenLakes

As was posted up thread, there are lots of opportunities for nurses who want to develop and expand their skillset to earn more money.

It’s possible for nurses to earn well over £100,000 at band 9.

Very few organisations offer pay rises if an individual is not looking to push themselves.

And with progression up the banding, as I said, you lose clinical contact to some extent. That's how it generally works in the NHS - higher banding equals more managerial / supervisory roles and less hands on clinical work. Most nurses don't join the NHS to be managers. They are passionate about patient care and want to provide themselves.

*provide it themselves

@GreenLakes

As was posted up thread, there are lots of opportunities for nurses who want to develop and expand their skillset to earn more money.

It’s possible for nurses to earn well over £100,000 at band 9.

Very few organisations offer pay rises if an individual is not looking to push themselves.

Our band 9 nurse (singular) is the Exec Director of nursing.

We have around 400 band 5 nurses. So where are these opportunities to get to band 9? It’s a bloody wide based triangle!

@GreenLakes

As was posted up thread, there are lots of opportunities for nurses who want to develop and expand their skillset to earn more money.

It’s possible for nurses to earn well over £100,000 at band 9.

Very few organisations offer pay rises if an individual is not looking to push themselves.

So you googled and then assumed you knew all about it, what a valuable contribution.

@GreenLakes

As was posted up thread, there are lots of opportunities for nurses who want to develop and expand their skillset to earn more money.

It’s possible for nurses to earn well over £100,000 at band 9.

Very few organisations offer pay rises if an individual is not looking to push themselves.

There aren’t lots of opportunities. They’re very rare. And highly competitive.

'There aren’t lots of opportunities. They’re very rare. And highly competitive.'

They aren't rare! I posted upthread a whole load of ANP vacancies, stop being so defeatist. Nothing wrong with being a band 5 ward nurse but there are plenty of opportunities for promotion in proactive staff.

I don't think it would be outrageous for nurses to be paid similarly to professions like teaching or police

So as far as I’ve seen on this thread nurses starting salaries are virtually identical to teachers?

And similarly, op have stated that there are senior roles within nursing, but not many and these would take you out of the patient contact caring role you enjoy. This is also on a par with taking eg an SLT/deputy/head role in a school-better paid, yes, but there aren’t many of them and they take you out of the classroom away from the children.

Not outrageously different at all.

Any other HCP on here torn between laughing thinking posters are on a wind up and cringing that they actually think they’re right?

@JaniieJones

'same in NZ, more British nurses and doctors than you could shake a stick at! '

And yet there's more nurses from NZ and Aus than you can 'shake a stick' at in London! Funny that. Maybe folk just like to travel?

Not this one.... www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/18/nurse-who-cared-for-boris-johnson-resigns-over-lack-of-respect-for-nhs-workers

The more you post, the more you show how little you actually know.

'And similarly, op have stated that there are senior roles within nursing, but not many and these would take you out of the patient contact caring role you enjoy. This is also on a par with taking eg an SLT/deputy/head role in a school-better paid, yes, but there aren’t many of them and they take you out of the classroom away from the children.Not outrageously different at all.'

Yes, perhaps lack of comprehension is what is hindering some in their careeer progression rather than lack of opportunities.

One NZ nurse 🥱.

@JaniieJones

One NZ nurse 🥱.

Yes thats what i said Enstein "not this one...."

@Kittyswhiskers

Any other HCP on here torn between laughing thinking posters are on a wind up and cringing that they actually think they’re right?

Yes

So let me summarise, nurses loaning pagrise isn't enough and want more, they are asked okay well how much do you think your salary should be then? What amount do you think justifies your job....

Response...I dont know.

So you don't know yourselves what you think you should be paid but you know you want to paid more and want bigger payrises.

I mean surely even £50k at least one of you would say yeah that about right or no I think £40k is good etc.

I mean in my job I feel it should be at £55k, currently I'm on £50k so not miles apart but I think £50k is a bit low for what it is...point being at least I have an idea of what I think is reasonable

From across OCEANIA just 3,153 nurses are employed by the NHS (2020) just 0.3% of the nursing workforce.

Doesn't look like too many want to come here, its barely changed since numbers collected from 2009, despite an nhs recruitment drive....
How stupid is a Con government when it discourages its own people to train as nurses but spends millions recruiting froma across the globe?

Dreamstate, i answered your question - 50k.

@Kittyswhiskers

Any other HCP on here torn between laughing thinking posters are on a wind up and cringing that they actually think they’re right?

It's probably the same person just name changing between ridiculous responses, there can't be several just sat googling stuff and saying look you're wrong.

I answered your question dreamstate, I said the RCN would like a 12.5% rise for nurses and midwives, I would support that but in reality I would expect less. I don't pretend to be an economist and say that I can work out the ins and outs. But I do know that I am very underpaid for my role and all of the responsibility I hold. Your 55k is double what I earn. I have 7 years and 10 months experience 😊. I mean, if you want to pay me 55k, bring it on! But I am not asking for that (even though in another sector, somebody with my level of responsibility would probably get paid that).

In answer to the other poster saying about nurse consultants etc and pushing ourselves. On my unit (NICU), band 5s look after the babies, the more experienced you are, the sicker babies you get given and the heavier workload. I have specialised already. I have done my post graduate certificate in neonatal care. I am an experienced band 5.

Band 6s for the most part take charge of a section of the unit. Band 7s are managers/coordinators. The managers are office based and do not themselves do clinical work or look after the babies. The band 8 (singular) is the matron. She is in charge of the service. Her office is not even on our ward and we don't see her.

You can train to become an ANP. ANNP for us. You need 10 years neonatal experience including at least band 6 experience with management responsibilities. It is a masters course over 2 years I think. Very hard going. Once qualified, the ANNPs work on the junior doctor rota overseen by a consultant (medical). They are junior doctor equivalents. They don't do nursing anymore, they don't care for the babies. They prescribe, put in lines, intubate etc.

Even if I personally decided to go for a band 6, then band 7, then train to be an ANNP, that still leaves the band 5 looking after the sick babies. The roles are different. Just because I might choose to go for the next role does not negate the fact that band 5s are terribly underpaid for the skills and responsibility they have in their band 5 role.

I hope that clarifies things a bit.

'You can train to become an ANP. ANNP for us. You need 10 years neonatal experience including at least band 6 experience with management responsibilities. It is a masters course over 2 years I think. Very hard going'

Oh yes, no one is suggesting it is easy however career progression is not only possible but actively encouraged and tbh I would question the motivation of someone who is still a band five 7 years post qualifying. Band 5s should be starting jobs that is why they start at 25k..

@JaniieJones

'You can train to become an ANP. ANNP for us. You need 10 years neonatal experience including at least band 6 experience with management responsibilities. It is a masters course over 2 years I think. Very hard going'

Oh yes, no one is suggesting it is easy however career progression is not only possible but actively encouraged and tbh I would question the motivation of someone who is still a band five 7 years post qualifying. Band 5s should be starting jobs that is why they start at 25k..

Yes, perhaps I should have gone for a band 6 last time they put out a job, but I am a single parent. I feel like I have a lot on my plate already which has maybe held me back. The band 6 post is always extremely competitive too, with lots of us applying. Band 5s generally have to apply quite a few times before they are successful. But then the role is different with more responsibility and more stress for not a lot more pay.

My own personal circumstances aside, I think that all of us at both band 5 and band 6 are very underpaid for the roles and what is expected of us in those roles. There are plenty of other band 5s on my unit with my years of experience and some with a lot more. We also support and mentor our new starters and junior staff.

I really genuinely believe that we are underpaid. I have tried to explain. You don't agree and that's fine. But it's not going to stop me from supporting our union's fight for better pay and conditions. Particularly for all my colleagues in adult services. They have it much worse than us.

copernicium Preston. GP's have been seeing patients face to face since the start. As has my own practice. In addition to running a hot hub treating possible Covid patients wearing a plastic apron and paper mask. Not been very magical for us.
egghead practice nurse. Employed by GP's who set our pay. Despite seeing as many patients as ever including those hospitals wouldn't deal with and contracting Covid without ppe into the bargain, we"re not on AFC and a 3% pay rise is out the question.

That’s terrible @cptartapp