NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

'When nurses make mistakes we are hauled over the coals. We could literally kill someone if we make a mistake. What other job? '

Oo Drs, firefighters, military personnel. All these people could 'literally kill someone' if they cocked up and quite rightly are 'hauled over the coals' or to put it a more professional way held accountable if they do so.

@ChainJane
Well if £1000 is 3% of their monthly salary the average nurse is on £33, 300 a MONTH.
Net of tax. Making between £400 and £500k a year. Either your information or your memory is really wrong.

We could literally kill someone if we make a mistake. What other job?

Well in hospital settings alone I can think of:

Paramedics, pharmacists, ODPs, cardiac pump technicians, CSSD/TSSU staff, lab technicians when X matching, radiographers.

That's apart from doctors of course. Plus non-acute and non medical settings. Electricians for starters

@JaniieJones

'When nurses make mistakes we are hauled over the coals. We could literally kill someone if we make a mistake. What other job? '

Oo Drs, firefighters, military personnel. All these people could 'literally kill someone' if they cocked up and quite rightly are 'hauled over the coals' or to put it a more professional way held accountable if they do so.

A lot of doctors are NHS, the others aren't graduate professions and don't have the same relentless nature of them as in every shift being absolutely ridiculously short staffed and busy. If you say that military and firefighters do have that every shift then that shows you have no idea!

@BridgeOfLies

We could literally kill someone if we make a mistake. What other job?

Well in hospital settings alone I can think of:

Paramedics, pharmacists, ODPs, cardiac pump technicians, CSSD/TSSU staff, lab technicians when X matching, radiographers.

That's apart from doctors of course. Plus non-acute and non medical settings. Electricians for starters

Who are mainly also NHS and would benefit from a pay increase. Electricians aren't making life and death decisions in the same way and it's a reach and a half to suggest otherwise.

'Electricians for starters'

Yes and gas engineers, builders, airplane technicians. The list goes on but the pp thinks only nurses could 'literally kill someone if they made a mistake' 🙄.

I don't think it would be outrageous for nurses to be paid similarly to professions like teaching or police

Are they not?

What is the pay range for nurses?

@JaniieJones

'Electricians for starters'

Yes and gas engineers, builders, airplane technicians. The list goes on but the pp thinks only nurses could 'literally kill someone if they made a mistake' 🙄.

There is a difference between an accident at work (which thankfully is very rare) that leads to loss of life, and caring for people in hospital every shift where the wrong dose, wrong treatment, an error in the way something is administered, error in monitoring stats etc could feasible kill someone. The job is literally being responsible for people's lives, the others are not, there is just a chance if the main job which is not to do with caring for people goes wrong. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand, but here we are.

@JaniieJones

'Electricians for starters'

Yes and gas engineers, builders, airplane technicians. The list goes on but the pp thinks only nurses could 'literally kill someone if they made a mistake' 🙄.

All of those people earn more then me

@Howshouldibehave

I don't think it would be outrageous for nurses to be paid similarly to professions like teaching or police

Are they not?

What is the pay range for nurses?

Both start on more once qualified/passed out of training.

After a bit of googling, it seems a nurse starts on £24,907 and a teacher starts on £25,714. Not a great deal of difference.

Lolll right so if you administer something wrong or right down wrong stats..let's go with your examples....

If a bus driver looks the wrong way they could cause an accident and kill someone. If an engineer rights down the wrong stats and designs a train track that derails a train itll kill people

I mena come on your examples are basically people.screwing up the job. That can happen in other jobs where it can impact multiple people and kill them.

The resentment towards the NHS always surprises me. I have had sub-standard care from the NHS; I have encountered delays and I have been treated by both lovely delightful well organised staff and rude ones who were cross with me because they had lost my notes or had crap equipment.

However, neither I nor any of my family or peers is bankrupt because if health care costs (in the US it's over half a million a year - over 60% of bankruptcies.)

So the answer is not only more than 3% (MPs' salaries have gone up by around £16k since 2010, while nurses' have gone down by 7.4% in real terms - ie buying power- over the same period) but also training more medical personnel and hounding them less.

@Howshouldibehave

I don't think it would be outrageous for nurses to be paid similarly to professions like teaching or police

Are they not?

What is the pay range for nurses?

Start on 25k for a newly qualified band 5 ward nurse. Scope to earn 45k as a band 8 and stay clinical (albeit with courses and study as you would expect with promotion) potential to double that if you go down the management routes.

Lots of opportunities available. Not everyone can be an ANP or CEO no, but to suggests nurses don't have carreer opportunities and potential to go up the career ladder and earn more than 25k is bollocks.

Funny how you ask how much you think you should earn and you cant even get a straight answer. Why is hard? Is it because you actually don't know how much you should really be paid.

Surely you must have a figure in mind like £50k.

@Dreamstate

Lolll right so if you administer something wrong or right down wrong stats..let's go with your examples....

If a bus driver looks the wrong way they could cause an accident and kill someone. If an engineer rights down the wrong stats and designs a train track that derails a train itll kill people

I mena come on your examples are basically people.screwing up the job. That can happen in other jobs where it can impact multiple people and kill them.

I hope you're being obtuse purposefully otherwise that's quite worrying!

@Dreamstate

So let's hear it then, nhs workers, what slary do you think you should be earning....£50k, £60k .....

I'd say a starting salary of 30k, top of band 5 40k, ging to 50k to top of band 6. oh and no tuition fees.

I ve seen how much work my DD has put in to qualify as a HCP and even on placement was saving peoples lives on a daily basis.

Her BF works in wholesale power, 3rd yr apprentice, already on 32k, our friends son works for the MOD, on 60k, he isn't even 26.

There is a shortfall of 40,000 nurses, why is that? because its a shit paid job, with even shitter conditions.

unless thats addressed, we will all suffer, unless you like waiting in AE for 15hours after an accident on the m25.

Lots of opportunities available. Not everyone can be an ANP or CEO no, but to suggests nurses don't have carreer opportunities and potential to go up the career ladder and earn more than 25k is bollocks

It is bollox because so few can do that, even if they wanted too because the demand is for ward/AE nurses.

'The resentment towards the NHS always surprises me'

I don't resent it, I think it's great. Ive usually had positive experiences barring the odd unpleasant hcp, or the office full of people drinking tea whilst old people are left with a tray of food out of reach. Not always, but we've all seen it happen.

I've first hand experience and absolutely believe the 6 months full sick pay then half pay, the pension, the holiday pay, the HR support and the occ health support and the often lengthy rtw arrangements are all there to provide and excellent framework for employess.

The payscales reflect ability and competence, responsibility and professional development.

@Dreamstate

Funny how you ask how much you think you should earn and you cant even get a straight answer. Why is hard? Is it because you actually don't know how much you should really be paid.

Surely you must have a figure in mind like £50k.

The RCN has calculated 12.5% as a figure which would bring us up back in line with inflation...where we would be if pay had not been frozen etc for 10 years. Based on my hourly rate, a 12.5% increase would mean that I earned the same as the aforementioned electrician. Which would be nice. But I would settle for half of that just so that DS and I don't have to struggle so much anymore. I'm the meantime, I am slowly planning my way out.

But I would settle for half of that just so that DS and I don't have to struggle so much anymore
I'm the meantime, I am slowly planning my way out

Thats the real issue, my DD has just started, she plans on leaving the NHS within 2 years to work either abroad or private practice, several of her cohort have gone private or overseas.

Arguing that nurses earn enough have decent hols etc is fucking pointless because they are leaving the nhs in droves, so clearly, if you want an nhs, this has to be addressed.

Oh it wouldn't sorry...my hourly rate would have to increase by 20-25% to match the local plumbers/electricians hourly rate.

It seems that newly qualified nurses in Australia have a starting salary of £38k - no wonder so many of our nurses are emigrating

The people we look after are already sick. That is why they are in hospital. it is our job to detect a deterioration however minor. To prevent further deterioration and potentially resuscitate patients. Have you ever done cpr three times a week as a lorry driver or tram driver? It isn’t quite the same. Lol

the office full of people drinking tea whilst old people are left with a tray of food out of reach
Where and when was this?

Protected meal times have been Trust policy in every single hospital in the UK for several years.
All staff are required to down tools , unless an emergency, to provide meals and feed patients.
Its Datixed if people dont comply.
This type of tripe is easily challenged if you actually work in the NHS