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AIBU to think son could have spent £7.50 on me?

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Whyamivirtuallyinvisible · 22/07/2021 07:35

My son has just started work, admittedly it isn't the greatest wage, however he's been very lucky to get a job as an apprentice p,umber on 15K. He gets picked up every day so won't need fuel for his car at all during the working week. Incidentallly we bought the car, insured it for him for the first year and husband also gave him half towards his first big repair bill which cost us £200.

Times have been extremely tough financially the last few years, made worse by Covid, like many people. Our DD dances to a very high standard and it goes without saying that this costs an awful lot of money, but we manage somehow like no fancy expenditures and no holidays for the last five years. I've recently had an ankle op so I've also lost money from work.

About two months ago my son had desperately needed new clothes. Smart for interviews and some casual which had cost around £180/200 which we had paid for. He has had part time jobs but nothing since January due to Covid and then studying for A Levels

Last Saturday I'd gone into town with him, my first venture on crutches and he was going to buy himself a few things to wear with his first salary. He'd probably spent around £70 on himself before we decided to head for lunch and a rest as I was shattered. Without thinking I said I'd buy lunch. Force of habit really as not used to him working. However when we had almost arrived at the food place he remembered they only took cash. I waited outside for him as he needed to walk further up the road to withdraw cash. I gave him my card and PIN number and even as he walked away I honestly thought he'd come back and say he was treating me out of his first wage packet.

We ordered food and sat down and he told me he'd taken £20 out of my account. I think mine was £7.50 as I'd ordered small but his was more, possibly £9/10. He put the change on the table and then in his pocket as I had no bag or pockets. He kept the change but I am sure he'd just forgotten about it and I wasn't going to ask for £2 back.

Being honest I felt really hurt and ashamed to admit I shed a tear (pathetic I know) as it made me feel kind of crap. I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault. I've tried to make it up to him in other ways and the year before I'd bought him an off-road bike £1000 and £500 worth of clothing, boots, helmet etc. It's not even the money, it's the gesture and I think it felt worse because I'd stood in the street on crutches whilst he'd gone to withdraw money from my own account. Even if he'd said 'Do you mind if we have a packet of sandwiches each, I'll treat you' that would have felt better.

AIBU to think this was a bit mean after 18 years of trying to always give him what we could afford or was it my fault for inadvertently saying I'd pay.

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WalkingOnTheCracks · 22/07/2021 08:44

Utterly unreasonable. I mean, to the point of being a little bit worrying that you think that it's debatable.

I think there's a wider point here though, which is that so many parents seem to think that their kids owe them something for bringing them up, and it should be paid back. The occasional birthday card apart, it shouldn't. A good parent's goal isn't to raise good kids - it's to raise good parents.

The rewards and the payback go to your grandchildren, not to you.

Bluntness100 · 22/07/2021 08:44

I also want to add that you sound like a very caring and considerate mother

Which part of wanting her son to buy her lunch when she’s offered, spending more on the daughter, and unequal treatment, do you feel is caring and considerate?

converseandjeans · 22/07/2021 08:44

Those saying £15k is a low wage must earn a fortune. He's getting about £900/£1000 a month pocket money. Just to himself. That's a lot of money I think & he should really be buying his own clothes out of his wages.

However I think he expected you to pay because he's used to it and also you said you would. So I don't think he was being mean - rather just it's what he thought would happen.

Teenagers usually just do what suits them best. It's how their brains are wired.

ShitPoetryClub · 22/07/2021 08:45

Dancing is the biggest waste of money going, right up there with horse riding. It's an indulgence, of course that's absolutely fine if you have plenty of money to waste. It's not OK when other members of the family suffer though. No holiday for 5 years because one person has an all consuming hobby Sad

Tal45 · 22/07/2021 08:46

Teens are inherently selfish, it's how their brains work, they will always expect their parents to pay for stuff if they have always previously paid for stuff. They often also think their parents are made of money.

This is a very strange post all round though, if your daughter is costing you loads of money then you should cut that back rather than expecting your son to buy you food out his first pay packet.

CornishPastyDownUnder · 22/07/2021 08:52

He's not bloody psychic @Whyamivirtuallyinvisible! Sounds like any teen i know-you're way overthinking/analysing this because of the financial sacrifices you perceive &feel these should be reciprocated through picking up a lunch tab...no-one owes you anything-if you had regarded the expenditure as an investment in your kids&had at least talked to them about economics/finances but you've left it too late and are resorting to expecting things that wont have been considered.My teens are both kind&thoughtful for the most part but wouldnt think of shouting me lunch🤨

IHateFlies · 22/07/2021 08:54

It depends on your attitude to money too. I’d have no issue telling my ds ‘woohoo your first pay check! Dinner is on you to celebrate’ and he’d proudly pay for pizza or something but it probably wouldn’t occur to him to do it himself.

WestendVBroadway · 22/07/2021 08:57

Can you please tell my DD that £15K is a crap wage. Hopefully she will then appreciate all that I spend on her when my salary is just shy of that and I have a shed load of bills to pay.

Bryonyshcmyony · 22/07/2021 08:58

@ShitPoetryClub

Dancing is the biggest waste of money going, right up there with horse riding. It's an indulgence, of course that's absolutely fine if you have plenty of money to waste. It's not OK when other members of the family suffer though. No holiday for 5 years because one person has an all consuming hobby Sad
In your opinion Smile
Bluntness100 · 22/07/2021 08:58

Those saying £15k is a low wage must earn a fortune

It is factually a very low wage, and those earning above it aren’t earning a fortune, the average wage in the Uk is approx 32k per annum, he’s on min wage and no one should think it’s a fortune.

vegas888 · 22/07/2021 08:59

Just be thankful you’ve a teen son who is still happy to go shopping and for lunch with you.

ittakes2 · 22/07/2021 09:00

He’s 18 - you’d offered to pay like you always do and it would not have entered his head to do otherwise.

NotanothernamechangeforMN · 22/07/2021 09:01

Yabu. You told him you'd buy him lunch, so he went with what you said. He isn't a mind reader. Friday night, let him know he's treating you all to a take away. Grin

VickyEadieofThigh · 22/07/2021 09:03

I have good friends (in their 70s, both with grown up sons) who moan regularly about how any time they've gone out for lunch or dinner with any of their sons, the sons never offer to pay. They also complain about this with regard to female friend's sister.

What I know is that they always pay for everything for relatives and then complain that those relatives 'didn't so much as offer'. But they've been doing this for years - they've given a clear message 'We will always pay'.

You have to use your words, I'm afraid.

Chikapu · 22/07/2021 09:04

I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault

Who's fault would you say that is then? You made a decision to spend more on her, it's probably been glaringly obvious to your son that he got less.

SeasonFinale · 22/07/2021 09:05

Not only did you say you would pay you have him your bank card to get the cash out to pay at the cash only cafe.

Sandinmyknickers · 22/07/2021 09:06

Yabu. My mum and I pay for each other. Sometimes I offer, sometimes she does. Sometimes I insist in paying when she offers, sometimes I don't, it depends on what feels right. Do we always get it right even now? No. But I would be more upset to think that when my mum offers, she doesn't mean it and is playing a game or setting up a test for me. That is ridiculous, especially on a young person who has never been in this situation before.

Branster · 22/07/2021 09:06

@Bluntness100

I also want to add that you sound like a very caring and considerate mother

Which part of wanting her son to buy her lunch when she’s offered, spending more on the daughter, and unequal treatment, do you feel is caring and considerate?

The overall picture shows that this mother is supporting both her children the best she can. We don't have an itemised breakdown of everything she ever spent on both children. But, OP supported her son with the initial expense for his work clothes and she also joined him on his recent shopping trip and offered to have lunch together. OP sounds disappointed after the event that the son didn't consider covering her lunch expense- it looks like disappointment because the son didn't appear to consider treating her as a gesture, I think the £7.50 value is irrelevant. It would have been nice for OP to feel appreciated in gesture by the son that's what I make of it. He might have not even thanked her for supporting him and that would make it 100 times worse which made OP wonder why isn't he showing a bit of gratitude.
Hallyup6 · 22/07/2021 09:08

No bag or pockets but he managed to get money from a cash machine with your card. Where did that come from then?

I would never begrudge spending £10 on lunch for my child, no matter what they were earning, but especially not at 18. You offered. The thought wouldn't even cross his mind to pay.

Jaguar77 · 22/07/2021 09:10

This passive aggressive nonsense drives me crazy how is someone supposed to read your mind? You said you wanted something but you meant nothing of the sort.

Ask for what you want ..

Use your words.

It's that simple.

maddiemookins16mum · 22/07/2021 09:10

It probably never crossed his mind. But on 15K he now needs to be paying some keep. There’s few adults working full time who will have that amount of disposable income (after deductions). Even £100 a month.

Bryonyshcmyony · 22/07/2021 09:12

OP, I remember a recent thing when I'd worked really hard organising something. At the end, dd20 came up to me with an ice cream and said here you go! I was really touched. Then she said "you owe me £3 by the way"
🤣
I'm not ashamed to admit I felt hurt!

1FootInTheRave · 22/07/2021 09:12

You begrudge him a tenner when you openly admit how much your beloved daughter gets.

Absolutely awful.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he ends up resentful once he realises how much less he got and how much he missed out on.

NeedNewKnees · 22/07/2021 09:12

Poor lad took what you said at face value. Is there something else going on to upset you? Feeling weepy because your son believes you when you say you’ll pay seems a bit excessive.

Abraxan · 22/07/2021 09:12

I'm in my 40s and my parents still offer to pay for my lunch if I'm out with them. Dad, especially, wouldn't have accepted my offers - I know from experience. This is despite me being much older, with a family of my own, earning my own money for a long time and my household income being far higher than their's is.

My parents want to offer and wouldn't want me to refuse their offer.

Likewise I would automatically pay for lunch etc for my 19y Dd and wouldn't want her using her money to buy me lunch. Dd isn't earning as she is a student but she obviously has money as we support her through university. I wouldn't want her to waste the amount she gets on my lunch when I can more than afford to pay.

It's odd that you list the things you do to support your child. Isn't that just what parents do if they can, and not something you expect them to most back?