Corona dillema

[Coronanamechangie]

Hi all. Name changed as don't want real life hatred.

We've been isolating for 8 days as DH tested positive. We count the 10 days from when he first showed symptoms. Were sending DC1 and DC2 back to school tomorrow.

However just lateral flowed them and DC2 is stongingly positive. We're tempted to send DC1 to school as it's their last couple of days of year 6.

Is this horribly irresponsible? Should we sit out another 10 days as a family? Sposed to be going to Devon on Sunday.

If we should send DC1 to school what should we tell them?

IBU - should do more isolation NBU should carefully proceed with life.

@Saoirse82

Can you explain why OP is 'vile' and 'selfish'?

@Crowtooyo

Also, doesn't your child (and you) need to isolate for 10 days from last day of contact when test came through? Plus doesn't day 1 start the following day.

Either way it won't change my mind. Don't send them in. Purely selfish

When it's a household contact it's 10 days from symptom onset or positive pcr of index case (dh here) whichever came first. So if dh wakes up on the 1st feeling crap, gradually gets worse over a day or two, twigs it might be covid, starts everyone isolating and gets tested on the 3rd, comes back positive - household isolation is up to and including the 10th according to nhs Scotland (that's the guidelines I have handy, think rUK is same).

Close non household contacts are different and seem to start day 1 from the day after contact (i.e. they'd be isolating til the 11th)

Is this a joke?

I've had to keep mine off to avoid him isolating because people think it's much more important that their child goes in WHEN HE'S ACTUALLY TESTED POSITIVE.

Don't be so ridiculous.

Just seem the phe version posted above which has an extra day vs the Scottish for households (and aligns with other close contacts)

StatisticallyChallenged,

Exactly that - we have just gone through this and it is as you describe.

As family members, when DD tested positive, she and we isolated for 10 days from her symptoms starting.

Her close contacts isolated for 10 days after their contact with her - as her symptoms only started on the day she tested, and her last contact with many of them was up to 2 days' previously, their self-isolation actually ended before her did, because it dated from the contact not from her symptoms.

@ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets

Is this a joke?

I've had to keep mine off to avoid him isolating because people think it's much more important that their child goes in WHEN HE'S ACTUALLY TESTED POSITIVE.

Don't be so ridiculous.

The most ridiculous part is your inability to read

@ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets

Is this a joke?

I've had to keep mine off to avoid him isolating because people think it's much more important that their child goes in WHEN HE'S ACTUALLY TESTED POSITIVE.

Don't be so ridiculous.

You are mistaken. Op isn't talking about positive dc, the other one who doesn't have symptoms.

@ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets

Is this a joke?

I've had to keep mine off to avoid him isolating because people think it's much more important that their child goes in WHEN HE'S ACTUALLY TESTED POSITIVE.

Don't be so ridiculous.

No, it is not a joke, and she is not ridiculous.

OP IS FOLLOWING THE GUIDANCE.

If you don't like the guidance, that isn't the OP's fault.

@bobcatbobcat

Please please don't send them in.

Your child is NOT more important than the rest of the class.

It's absolutely rubbish timing but you know what you have to do.

This.

I'm sorry for you and your family about the inconvenience, disappointment and so on I genuinely am, but you have two positive cases in the house, what on earth are you thinking??

I'm sorry for you and your family about the inconvenience, disappointment and so on I genuinely am, but you have two positive cases in the house, what on earth are you thinking??

OP is thinking that officially her DC isolation period is ending, because it is.

@cantkeepawayforever I applaud you for trying several times to direct numerous posters to the actual rules on gov.uk that the OP should follow, instead of their random made up assumptions.

OP, DS1 can go into school on day 11 and finish year 6.

My DS2 went back to school on day 11 after a positive test. Despite DS3 testing positive 3 days after DS2, and still being in isolation for 3 more days. Why did he go back when DS3 was only on day 8 of isolation? Oh that’s right, we were following the ACTUAL rules on gov.uk, not some made up ones.

You’ve got to wonder how many people are unnecessarily isolating because they incorrectly keep restarting the 10 days for everyone in the household, when subsequent household members test positive.

IAm,

OP is following the guidance.

If you have to be cross, be cross with the parents who have sent children in while parents go for Covid tests. Parents who refuse ever to get their children tested. parents who lie about getting their child tested and just say 'It was negative'.

Be cross with the Government, who through failure to support isolating families financially push parents into the position of having to choose between sending their child into school despite likely symptoms and eating. And who wrote the guidance.

OP IS FOLLOWING THE CURRENT GUIDANCE. Unless and until her DS1 has symptoms, they are released after the initial 10 day isolation.

Link to full size poster illustrating the guidance (as my picture may be too small):

Poster

Thanks, lemons. I was beginning to think I was going mad!

I think the current terrible situation wrt cases - and its impacts, though disguised in the press as 'due to bubbles' or 'due to the app' rather than the much more truthful 'due to the out of control rise in cases' - is clouding people's judgement, as they want others to respect the rules they would LIKE to have in place.

As a teacher, I would LOVE to have been able to put in place the rules that I WANT, and that would be logical given what we know about the disease. I haven't been allowed to, and nor are the posters on here who are baying for OP's blood.

Interesting that this would be following current guidance. Thank you Can't keep and Pasta for the info.

I am not angry at the OP. I just think it's bonkers and selfish to send a child in to school in this scenario, even if the rules say they can. And yes I am angry at the government, irresponsible parents, people in the workforce, the guidance writers and all sorts of other people for the stupid way this whole pandemic has been handled so badly. There's a whole long list of people I am angry at, and Boris Flipping Johnson is top of my list.

(by people in the workforce I mean employers who put pressure on their employees to avoid getting a test, come to work, lie, choose not to social distance or wear a mask, etc. I've come across a right number of peaches in the last year).

Haven’t RTFT because these tedious threads where the OP was validation for being selfish are frustrating.

You have a responsibility. The government has washed its hands of any so just do the right thing and stay indoors until none of you are infectious. It’s literally that simple.

To be absolutely precise (and OP will have had this, because it is what the positive test message says, and then all the follow-up communication from T&T):

Isolation is from midnight of the day the symptoms started / test was taken, until midnight of day 10.

So for us, DD's symptoms started & test was taken on a Thursday.

Isolation counted from midnight that night, so Day 10 (and isolation) ended midnight Sunday.

I was back at work in close contact with 30+ children with no social distancing by 8.45 am on Monday morning....

@TonkinLenkicks

Haven’t RTFT because these tedious threads where the OP was validation for being selfish are frustrating.

You have a responsibility. The government has washed its hands of any so just do the right thing and stay indoors until none of you are infectious. It’s literally that simple.

Unfortunately, for many people, that's utterly impossible because their employers (as is their right) asks people to return after the end of their isolation.

Taking up to another 30 days (for a 4 person household where each person catches Covid in succession, each time on the final day of isolation) off work just because others would like them to is not reasonable.

And of course from August 16th, nobody AT ALL will have to isolate except the index case for any period at all, as long as they are double jabbed or under 18 and say they have no symptoms.

Given the complaints there already are about e.g. empty supermarkets, food production, NHS workers etc who are LEGITIMATELY isolating under current rules, asking everyone to isolate for, potentially, 2-4x longer just isn't going to fly.

Not everyone can just 'stay indoors' for 10-40 days just because others would like them to.

For example, would you like every teacher to be out of the classroom for up to a month if their family has Covid one after another? We've sailed close enough to the wind in terms of staffing this term at times as it is.

Can I ask a question about the isolation timings?

We're all isolating due to a positive covid case in the household. Everyone else negative and symptom free so far. If someone else tests positive before the 10 day period ends, why doesn't the clock reset for everyone apart from the original case?

I was thinking that if DC1 is the original positive, then DC2 tests positive on day 8, I could still catch covid from DC2 so would need to do another 10 days.

Or are those diagrams based on the assumption that everyone can fully isolate separately within the household for the original 10 days.

I looked at the isolation guidance on the government website and I would say there is a glaring hole which is what happens if a hiusehold member subsequently tests positive as a result of a lateral flow test! They need to make that clearer because I would say those notes were written without the regular lateral flow testing being condidered that is now widespread. The guidance on lateral flow tests would be to get a PCR test if you test positive and that will be sitting in guidance somewhere else. They need to put the two together so that people cant claim they are following the rules because they are following what is written in one part of the government’s covid guidance but ignoring another!

It would be bonkers to ignore a lateral flow test because the whole point of them is to pick up the asymptomatic cases. You still need to arrange a PCR test for your DC in my view and continue isolating in the meantime. Lateral flow tests are supposed to be good at picking up positive cases early so your DC may go onto develop symptoms. Presumably their schoolhas requested regular lateral flow tests which is why you are doing them so you still need to report the result on the NHS website.

@Candleabra

Can I ask a question about the isolation timings?

We're all isolating due to a positive covid case in the household. Everyone else negative and symptom free so far. If someone else tests positive before the 10 day period ends, why doesn't the clock reset for everyone apart from the original case?

I was thinking that if DC1 is the original positive, then DC2 tests positive on day 8, I could still catch covid from DC2 so would need to do another 10 days.

Or are those diagrams based on the assumption that everyone can fully isolate separately within the household for the original 10 days.

No, the guidance applies to 'normal' households.

I seem to remember that the thinking was that after the first 10 days, everyone had had a 'good opportunity' to be infected, and that someone who hadn't become infected already was likely to have some level of immunity, therefore making them isolate for a further period for a second case linked to the first was not proportionate.

Whereas a case arising after the original 10 day isolation was likely to be a new infection, potentially with a slightly different version of the virus, and there could be no assumption that others were not immune so the isolation had to re-start.

@MGMidget

I looked at the isolation guidance on the government website and I would say there is a glaring hole which is what happens if a hiusehold member subsequently tests positive as a result of a lateral flow test! They need to make that clearer because I would say those notes were written without the regular lateral flow testing being condidered that is now widespread. The guidance on lateral flow tests would be to get a PCR test if you test positive and that will be sitting in guidance somewhere else. They need to put the two together so that people cant claim they are following the rules because they are following what is written in one part of the government’s covid guidance but ignoring another!

It would be bonkers to ignore a lateral flow test because the whole point of them is to pick up the asymptomatic cases. You still need to arrange a PCR test for your DC in my view and continue isolating in the meantime. Lateral flow tests are supposed to be good at picking up positive cases early so your DC may go onto develop symptoms. Presumably their schoolhas requested regular lateral flow tests which is why you are doing them so you still need to report the result on the NHS website.

I don't think it is a hole - it's under the 'tests positive' strand of the diagram, isn't it? Any positive LFT must be conformed by a PCR anyway, so all the LFT does is take the place of symptoms - both are a clear indication that a PCR test is needed. the date taken is the date of the positive LFT, anyway, just as if it is the date of symptom onset.