… to ask why Giles Coren hasn’t been cancelled yet?

[mowly77]

The vile Dawn Foster tweets ffs. But he seems Teflon coated. He will never be cancelled. Three fucking columns a week … a pissing radio show, albeit on Times Radio, which surely no one listens to. I would love to be proved wrong. Absolutely love to be.

@Crankley, just out of curiosity, does he eat all sorts of meat and non-meat food like vegan?

I vaguely know him. Massive prick. Saw him tossing his coffee cup on the floor in Regent's Park recently.

@4kids2dogsand

I vaguely know him. Massive prick. Saw him tossing his coffee cup on the floor in Regent's Park recently.

🤣

EXECUTE HIM

That's a fairly dickish thing to do, though, don't you think?

@Crankley I’m not a “woke left winger” either and I don’t dislike Coren because he isn’t.

I dislike him for the reasons I have given and I think plenty agree with me. I also live in hope that unpleasant folk like him eventually get their comeuppance.

@Bryonyshcmyony

Cancel culture is more than just objecting to what someone says though isn't it? It's deliberately getting a large group of people together to target the person's employers and family to ensure that they don't work again.

Exactly. Fucking ridiculous people on here are referring to cancel culture as just being consequences.

No, there are legitimate consequences, and then there’s cancelling someone by trying to get them fired because you don’t agree with them eg Rachel McKinnon and that campaign to her Kelly Holmes dropped by Garmin because Kelly doesn’t support self ID into women’s sport. Is that just “consequences” as well?

I think Giles Coren’s tweet gloating about Dawn Foster dying crossed a line, but I cannot believe people don’t think cancel culture is a thing. I can only assume such people don’t understand what is meant by it.

He wrote a horrible piece about worrying his wife (who had just given birth) wouldn’t lose the weight. Also a piece about women at the park run. He is ghastly. But people like him because most people are awful.

Nigella’s just as much the product of nepotism - how do you think she and her brother both got journalism careers in the first place. They and their father knew the right people.
The difference is Nigella appears to be nice and Giles appears to be chippy.

The other difference is that Nigella has/had a journalism career of substance rather than one founded on blapping on about your nice little life. She used to be deputy literary editor at The Sunday Times.

You're wilfully missing my point, which wasn't that the drum kit tweet was acceptable, but that the Dawn Foster tweet was several orders of magnitude worse.

My apologies, I read it as "it's OK cause he was joking" type comment, rather than how you meant it.

@Buccanarab

You're wilfully missing my point, which wasn't that the drum kit tweet was acceptable, but that the Dawn Foster tweet was several orders of magnitude worse.

My apologies, I read it as "it's OK cause he was joking" type comment, rather than how you meant it.

No worries - easily done in a fast-moving thread.

@FizzyPink
This seems to be the post he took exception to and his recent post.
The journalist he is talking about died recently at aged 34 and had disabilities

Such a vile thing to say. Why would anyone rush to obliterate something like this, though, rather than let it stand and be seen? The only one it reflects badly on is Giles himself.
Isn't it count productive to actually aid people like this in wiping the slate clean and removing all traces of their shit?

Counter productive...

@IntermittentParps

Nigella’s just as much the product of nepotism - how do you think she and her brother both got journalism careers in the first place. They and their father knew the right people. The difference is Nigella appears to be nice and Giles appears to be chippy.

The other difference is that Nigella has/had a journalism career of substance rather than one founded on blapping on about your nice little life. She used to be deputy literary editor at The Sunday Times.

And Nigella has an actual measurable skill, ie something to call out if her recipes don't work (all the ones I've tried do as it happens). Coren's problem is that he has nothing apart from a willingness to be outrageous. There are plenty of better tv presenters and food critics out there and I suspect he's aware of this hence trying to shore up an appeal based on Johnsonian Toby Young dog whistle stuff.

If a MP made a comment that women who dress a certain way are asking to be raped I'd expect them to be removed from their post/party

If a writer publicly laughs at someone's untimely passing, literally on literally on day of their passing, I'd expect them not to be given a slot in a national newspaper that claims to abide by IPSO's on privacy, harassment and intrusion into grief

Decisions should be made first at an individual level though. People are not zombies that need to be 'educated' by a mob as to what is the 'right' way to think.

If someone finds a writer/presenter boring, outrageous, out of order or irritating, they can unfollow him or stop watching a show. Viewership may fall if enough individuals share this view, and the newspaper/channel/sponsors may decide to replace him or to allocate him to a different programme.

Same with a political party, if individuals decide not to vote for them because an MP's views are unreasonable or inappropriate, at some point leaders may decide to remove or reassign the person in question.

No one should be subjected to an orchestrated collective campaign or undergo a trial and lynching by an angry horde. And if someone commits an actual crime, there are laws and a judiciary system to deal with that. We are not a lawless society and no one should feel entitled to take the law into their own hands like this

Nobody who posts that kind of thing on social media about a woman who has suffered ill health during her lifetime and has died tragically young can be said to be a truly good, kind person

Are those who want to strip others of their livelihoods and turn them into pariahs 'truly good and kind persons'?

Like the headteacher in Sunderland who was forced into early retirement by an angry group of parents? I understand she had apologised and she hadn't committed any crime, but apparently the 'consequences' were not enough for some, they wanted to bring her down. I wonder who her replacement will be, and whether he/she will need to be more 'accommodating'. Scary.

Who in the world can be said to be a truly good kind person? Noone is an actual saint

Being good and kind is not the same as being a saint.

There’s a lot of terrible behaviour on SM, that’s undeniable. I despise cancel culture.

But … much as I have found Coren fairly amusing in the past, that tweet was totally unacceptable and revealed him to be lacking in basic human decency..

He probably should be fired for it.

Long long way between being a 'saint' or even a 'good, kind person' and writing what Giles Coren wrote. I don't know anybody who'd dream of writing like that about a 34-year-old who died and my friends and I aren't particularly saintly at all - just ordinary people with a reasonably healthy dose of what decent behaviour and human responses should be.

Ugh he’s so embarrassing. Just a posho edge-lord who thinks he’s sooo fit, as well. I unfollowed him ages ago, he’s like an attention-seeking child. I read Victoria Coren once said that growing up in their household you had to be funny and interesting at the dinner table, her dad didn’t tolerate mediocrity. Well it turned Giles Coren into an insecure attention seeker desperate to be cool.

He was brilliant with Sue Perkins in The Super sizers,the pair of them together were hilarious.

I don't like censorship,don't like him then ignore him!

Well he censored himself by deleting. I think he does that a lot. Craves a bit of a hoopla so does something controversial, revels in it and then when it all gets a bit too much he scurries away and deletes.

All for his dead daddy's attention.

I also loved Supersizers, I thought they worked well as a partnership.

But … much as I have found Coren fairly amusing in the past, that tweet was totally unacceptable and revealed him to be lacking in basic human decency..

I agree with this (although not the amusing part). It's just so unnecessary & I'm sure incredibly hurtful for her loved ones. I don't understand the motivation.