Ditching my mask from today except for in hospital settings

[Frittataz]

Clearly this is fine legally speaking but AIBU to expect not to be asked to wear a mask from today onwards? I’ll wear one when attending hospital/doctors appointments but that’s it that’s were i draw the line. I shouldn’t be expected to explain myself right? I’ve wore a mask from the beginning and stuck to every rule. I won’t be rushing out to go to nightclubs as I didn’t do that before covid and i don’t suddenly feel the need to surround myself (closely) with lots of other people but I am looking forward to taking my daughter shopping and going to the cinema without having to wear a mask.

[quote claralara42]*@Frittataz this is the worst place to be asking about masks. The women on here don't seem to understand the 99% survival rate

We do. We also understand that a one percent death rate would be a fucking massive number of dead people.
We also understand about morbidity as well as mortality, long covid, complications, the economic impact of isolations....etc etc[/quote]
This!

The pandemic is every bit as dangerous today as it was yesterday. It'll be easier to spot asshats who don't give a damn about others from today, though - they'll be the ones gently reminding us about what they don't have to do legally, rather than considering what it might be right to do morally.

[quote claralara42]*@Frittataz this is the worst place to be asking about masks. The women on here don't seem to understand the 99% survival rate

We do. We also understand that a one percent death rate would be a fucking massive number of dead people.
We also understand about morbidity as well as mortality, long covid, complications, the economic impact of isolations....etc etc[/quote]
Who are "we"?

The ones who understand so much?

The pandemic is every bit as dangerous today as it was yesterday

No, it's more so. Because the dangerous experiment that England is conducting is a perfect breeding ground for vaccine resistant variants. England is endangering the whole world.

@Frittataz

But they’re not a legal requirement so how can they do that? If I really wanted to I could simply lie and say that I’m exempt but why should I have to do that.

It's not a legal requirement for them to let your into their property either. They have a duty to their staff to protect their health and safety.

You shouldn't have to lie, you have a legal right not to wear them and I hope you won't lie. I reserve special contempt for those who lie about this as it makes things so much worse for the genuinely exempt who end up being treated with more suspicion as a result.

In our area, rates are though the roof. The R number is between 1.3 and 1.5. The positive results are well above average. The vaccine takeup is below 65% for the first dose. Nationally, its over 65% for the second dose.

If you're lucky enough to live in an area where the rates are low and vaccine take up high , I think its a different matter but even though I'm double jabbed, I'm going to carry on wearing one in crowded places and on public transport. I do hate wearing them though

Put your postcode on this page and you can find out rates etc. for your area. (you'll need to scroll down to the bottom.

Good for you. Not sure of the point of this post.

‘Hello, I’m a selfish twat who only cares about myself and I just wanted to make sure all of mumsnet knows’

Cover your mouth and keep your germs to yourself

I wouldn’t be at all unpleasant

But you are being unpleasant. They are politely asking you to wear one to come into their establishment. To refuse for no good reason is unpleasant.

[quote FunMcCool]@Coldilox no they won’t. They can encourage you to wear one but they can’t legally refuse you service/entry without them.[/quote]
Is that true?

My local Asda security guards refuse entry (and ban people) already for all sorts of reasons: ones I know of include dress code infractions e.g. not wearing a top, being thought to be associated with shoplifters, making a mess in the loos, trying to bring a bicycle or e-scooter in, being 'in drink', and the great catch-all of 'being anti-social'.

Customers always seem to support the security guards. Customers want to be safe from idiots and anti-social twats.

It's perfectly legal to not wear a top if you're a man - but you're not coming into my local Asda.

I never wore a mask to begin with always said I was exempt, I carried on going into the office to work throughout the pandemic and continued to see friends. I continued to live my life as normal as possibly despite all this and surprisingly never caught covid.

if I am asked to wear one in shops I will gently remind them of that

And I would like to gently remind you that you are putting all the shop staff at risk by not wearing one. Utterly selfish.

@ShimmyYay

I never wore a mask to begin with always said I was exempt, I carried on going into the office to work throughout the pandemic and continued to see friends. I continued to live my life as normal as possibly despite all this and surprisingly never caught covid.

Or you did, were asymptomatic and passed it to other people. Congratulations, you may have killed people.

They can encourage you to wear one but they can’t legally refuse you service/entry without them

They absolutely can.

@ShimmyYay

I never wore a mask to begin with always said I was exempt, I carried on going into the office to work throughout the pandemic and continued to see friends. I continued to live my life as normal as possibly despite all this and surprisingly never caught covid.

How is it possible for us to be 18 months into this and for people to not understand the basics?

The type of masks/face coverings used by the vast majority of people aren't worn to stop individuals catching COVID. If you haven't caught it, well done you, but you've been lucky, nothing more.

Yes from today in England we can spot those that are more a part of the solution and those that are forever a part of the reason for prolonged pandemic living and dying with Covid and all the new variants from increased unmasked mixing which will beat any herd immunity whether (soon triple), double, single or zero vaccinated. Even a 1% mortality rate is 1% of millions here and billions globally. That’s potentially 0.5million plus in England alone and not counting those subject to long term health complications with long Covid with currently free at pint of access NHS.

There may be plans for more movement to towards a hybrid “free” tax player funded NHS and non free private healthcare. The more we prolong the demands on healthcare by not taking small personal risk mitigation steps to collectively make a difference the more the pandemic will challenge the limited “free” healthcare systems. The pandemic is not unavoidable but every little personal risk mitigation helps and not just helps the medically vulnerable or children who will be paying for all the furlough national government debt financing and for what remains of a NHS service.

@claralara42

They can encourage you to wear one but they can’t legally refuse you service/entry without them

They absolutely can.

Your private property your rules. Shop keepers private property their rules. And more so if it is health and safety issue to all within your private shop property ie staff and lawful visitors.

Good for you.

No so good for the rest of us who will be wearing masks to protect you should we be unfortunate enough to be starting to get unwell and are shedding the virus . But there we are boris has given you the freedom to “ use your common sense “ and put the rest of us at risk.

Meanwhile I will take a step back from shops / society as I need to be at work to look after you ….

@claralara42

They can encourage you to wear one but they can’t legally refuse you service/entry without them

They absolutely can.

There is a loophole, in that the equality act prevents discrimination against disability, and the person facing discrimination does not need to supply proof of a disability.

So, if you were an utter wanker, you could claim that you are except from wearing a mask when you are not, and shops cannot ask for proof of it.

i feel sorry for all public facing staff today what a nightmare

do what you want op but dont come on here t5rying to defend yourself over it

@ShimmyYay

I never wore a mask to begin with always said I was exempt, I carried on going into the office to work throughout the pandemic and continued to see friends. I continued to live my life as normal as possibly despite all this and surprisingly never caught covid.

Round of applause for Shimmy.

Good job we didn't all do that, isn't it.

I'll still be wearing mine because I've got a cold sore for the first time in five years (and because I haven't suddenly become a selfish arsehole).

Hhmmm, so your right not to wear a mask trumps my bad heart?

Its selfish people like you that mean we have to wear masks for up to 9 hours a day and in weather like this its unbearable when you could manage half an hour whilst nipping round a shop getting your shopping i dispair at the selfish mentality of some people

[quote Oceanos]@Willyoujustbequiet I think there's a link between mask refusal and labour voters sadly - it's a shame that people prefer to make a political stance rather than supporting vulnerable people (yet labour is all about supporting vulnerable people isn't it?)[/quote]
DO you have evidence for that? It is not my experience.

@Frittataz

No, i actually don’t see the benefit of masks, I never have. I’ll wear one in a clinical setting simply because in my area masks are still a requirement unless you’re exempt.

If you don't see the point of masks have you never stopped to think why you need to wear one in a hospital setting? Seriously you are saying you will comply with that so you must be able to see some sense in mask wearing but you really can't see why it would be considerate to continue to wear one in other enclosed indoor spaces? Really?