AIBU to think that discussion of criminal acts towards children and who the perpetrators are , are of importance to MN users , and threads should remain in AIBU with polls attached.

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This refers to the thread about an abuser in Canada which was moved, but has happened with other similar posts to the feminist boards. I imagine that everyone here has concerns , not just feminists.

YANBU

YANBU. Erosion of safeguarding is everyone’s business.

Absolutely not unreasonable.

It feels like it’s just pandering to people who would rather pretend it’s not happening. Like a PP said it’s everyone’s business to protect children.

I like it when people use the topics instead of shoe-horning everything is in to AIBU

Important themes have their own topics and it's good to be able to find stuff together

You are definitely not being unreasonable.

Not wanting your children to be harmed and exploited by criminal acts is not solely a feminist issue.

YANBU

AIBU is a great place to see a wide range of opinions and to benefit from the poll which many more people will engage with than will comment.

Regardless of whether the subject matter is of interest to anyone other than feminists, the thread wasn’t asking if anybody was being unreasonable. There was no reason for it to be in this topic. Topics exist for a reason. Otherwise, where do you draw the line on people posting whatever they like wherever they like, which is just annoying? Why bother having topics at all?

@PurpleWaterBlue

You are definitely not being unreasonable.

Not wanting your children to be harmed and exploited by criminal acts is not solely a feminist issue.

absolutely this, only I would add anyone's children

@AuntieStella

I like it when people use the topics instead of shoe-horning everything is in to AIBU

Important themes have their own topics and it's good to be able to find stuff together

Can you post a link to Mumsnet’s Child Safeguarding section?

TIA.

The problem with insisting that everything related to feminism goes in feminism is that feminism obviously attracts feminists.

There are far too many ‘feminists” there. I am sorry.

When I joined MN, I wasn’t a feminist. So I wouldn’t have looked there. Now I am.

@WetWeekends

It feels like it’s just pandering to people who would rather pretend it’s not happening. Like a PP said it’s everyone’s business to protect children.

Jimmy Savile was eulogised on here (MN) repeatedly, even as posters were raising reasonable safeguarding concerns about him.

Posters like me were on the receiving end of vile posts from the Savile hagiographers.

We were told we were 'jealous', 'bitter', 'sick' and 'twisted', and that Savile was clearly a saint because well, he wouldn't be employed by the BBC and have access to hospitals and children otherwise, would he? He had access to children, therefore he couldn't possibly be a danger to them, ran the logic.

As it happened, these threads ran in Chat and AIBU once they stopped being mostly taken down (after his death). I wonder if they would have been shunted over the 'Feminism Naughty Step' had it existed back then?

They were important threads.

Can you post a link to Mumsnet’s Child Safeguarding section?

If you think MN should have one, then ask in Site Stuff and one will be created if there is enough traffic, reflecting both the importance and the interest - actual interest, that is, not what people think others are interested in when they are MNetting (which of couse does not map to RL priorities)

I don't remember anyone ever asking for such a topic

Until your request can be considered, you could try Parenting, Education, News, possibly General Health or Children's Health (depending on what aspect of safeguarding you want to talk about) or if more ephemeral the Chat

Jimmy Savile was eulogised on here (MN) repeatedly, even as posters were raising reasonable safeguarding concerns about him

My recollection is totally different on this one.

There weren't many threads about him at all, and once news broke, there were no hagiographers.

And until the time that the BBC showed the raid of the home of another high profile person, against whom no charges have ever been brought despite both investigation and publicity to encourage people coming forward, there were plenty of posts about people who had had allegations made about them, also naming them

@AuntieStella

Can you post a link to Mumsnet’s Child Safeguarding section?

If you think MN should have one, then ask in Site Stuff and one will be created if there is enough traffic, reflecting both the importance and the interest - actual interest, that is, not what people think others are interested in when they are MNetting (which of couse does not map to RL priorities)

I don't remember anyone ever asking for such a topic

Until your request can be considered, you could try Parenting, Education, News, possibly General Health or Children's Health (depending on what aspect of safeguarding you want to talk about) or if more ephemeral the Chat

I don’t think MN should have one because I think child safeguarding should be everyone’s business so should be on the most widely read forum. Why do you think child safeguarding should be in a special section where fewer people can read about it?

@AuntieStella

I like it when people use the topics instead of shoe-horning everything is in to AIBU

Important themes have their own topics and it's good to be able to find stuff together

Inappropriate for a poll, the idea is to get a cross-section of views not just a partial response. Polling about dogs in the DogHouse would give a biased response.

Why would fewer people read it

I didn't raise the issue of child protection, and I didn't say I wanted one a topic!

I was answering the question about where the topic was, suggested the enquirer asked for one as they attach importance to it, and suggested a number of well used topics where it would already belong (depending on the angle)

Please don't twist what I am saying into an opinion on my attitude to safeguarding, when I have not written a single word about that

Inappropriate for a poll, the idea is to get a cross-section of views not just a partial response. Polling about dogs in the DogHouse would give a biased response

But when you want to talk about dogs, it's absolutely the right place to be.

(As an aside, I don't think the poll function should exist at all, but that was thrashed out extensively on Site Issues some time ago)

But when you want to talk about dogs, it's absolutely the right place to be.

So when I want to talk about child protection mumsnet - a parenting forum and the busiest part of it seems fairly obvious choice,

Moving threads about children and safeguarding to FWR is an astonishing thing for MN to do - this entire site was set up initially for mothers, morphed (correctly) into being for parents and is now open to anyone.

But the main thing that draws most people here is concern and care for children. This is not a "feminist" only issue!

The erosion of safeguarding - and trust me, it's happening, all right - is actually furthered by MN shifting such threads away from sections of MN where they get more 'traffic'.

@AuntieStella

Why would fewer people read it

I didn't raise the issue of child protection, and I didn't say I wanted one a topic!

I was answering the question about where the topic was, suggested the enquirer asked for one as they attach importance to it, and suggested a number of well used topics where it would already belong (depending on the angle)

Please don't twist what I am saying into an opinion on my attitude to safeguarding, when I have not written a single word about that

The title of the thread is about where discussion about criminal acts on children should be discussed.

You said you think such topics should be discussed in their own category. As there isn’t a specific child safeguarding category you suggested some quieter sections with less traffic. Everyone knows AIBU is one of the busiest sections of MN. Therefore you’re suggesting child safeguarding should be discussed in quieter sections where fewer people can read about it. Why?

Or did you not see the title, in which case it would make sense.

But when you want to talk about dogs, it's absolutely the right place to be.

There are loads of threads about dogs which aren't moved to the DogHouse.

@AuntieStella

I like it when people use the topics instead of shoe-horning everything is in to AIBU

Important themes have their own topics and it's good to be able to find stuff together

AIBU is one of the most popular parts of Mumsnet, as such, threads in it get more attention. This topic deserves the attention and is worthy of being in AIBU. Mumsnet I'm surprised that for a forum built on being parents, you're hiding a topic involving child abuse and bringing it to light. Simply because posters point out he is a he, and not a woman as he claims. The trauma the child will have gone through first and then relieving it having to pretend he's a woman, is completely unacceptable and things like this should be brought to light.

I said important themes have their own topics.

In a subsequent post I gave examples of existing topics where safeguarding would be a good fit.

I have not recommended a separate topic, but did suggest to the poster who asked where to find one with that title his they could go about setting one up, if that was what they want.

I think many themes are better in the topics than in AIBU (whenever I see a 'what would you do if you ruled MN for the day?' thread, I post that I would enforce the use of the topics)

Yanbu to say safeguarding children is everyone's concern but the thread you are referring to had nothing do with safeguarding. It was just another poorly disguised attempt at stirring the trans debate pot.