AIBU to think that discussion of criminal acts towards children and who the perpetrators are , are of importance to MN users , and threads should remain in AIBU with polls attached.

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This refers to the thread about an abuser in Canada which was moved, but has happened with other similar posts to the feminist boards. I imagine that everyone here has concerns , not just feminists.

YANBU.

By this logic, I guess MNHQ should move a safeguarding news story involving a headteacher to the Education board?
Or if a sports coach, move it to Sport?
With hindsight, maybe the Harvey Weinstein discussions should have been confined to Films?
And Jimmy Savile to TV Addicts?

Rolf Harris might have caused a bit of a problem.
Arts and crafts, the Doghouse or TV Addicts??????

@Comingoutfighting

“Sourapple* there is no such thing as the trans section. If there are posts you don’t like the look of you don’t need to engage with them. In the meantime how many votes would be enough to convince MNHQ that most of us don’t want the threads diverted.

The 'Sex & Gender' section was specifically created to house all the trans related threads.

As a new poster you may be unaware that there is quite an overlap of subjects in AIBU and that's what makes it interesting.

I'm not a new poster.

YANBU especially as I complained to MN a while back about posting for traffic in AIBU instead of the relevant section and they told me it was completely fine to do so. Guess it's not so fine now.

@SourAppleChew - just to be clear, are you saying that any safeguarding issues that are related in anyway with trans should not be posted in AIBU?

Because the trans umbrella includes many more people than just those who are transitioning.

The point of highlighting these news items is not to target/discriminate against those who are transitioning. It is to highlight that there are many other people who will abuse the process, purely to gain access to vulnerable people (in the case of this thread it’s re children, but obviously there are many other situations).

It is not as simple as “oh, it’s a trans thread”. It’s a “please, look at what is happening and will continue to happen”. Which is that it is becoming easier for males to exploit the system to gain access to numerous areas that they should not be in. They are undermining, and will continue to undermine, rights that the trans community have fought for.

That is the safeguarding issue. And that is why those “types” of threads should be seen by a wider audience. It is not about tearing down the trans community, it is about highlighting the ways that many people can, and will, exploit those laws.

Apologies SourApple I didn't realise that you had name changed recently.

Depends if it's actually an AIBU surely? Plenty of threads just posted here because it gets the most traffic but they're not an AIBU.

That is the safeguarding issue. And that is why those “types” of threads should be seen by a wider audience. It is not about tearing down the trans community, it is about highlighting the ways that many people can, and will, exploit those law

Only this week there have been several news reports about sex offenders deliberately changing their names by deed poll to avoid police scrutiny after their release from prison.

Any thing that obscures the identity or description of an offender is a safe guarding issue. If someone is being sought by the police the description must be clear. If someone is being checked for suitability for a job their previous identities must be known so proper police checks can be done. Victims should also not be revictimised by being forced to perjure themselves in court.

When I joined MN, I wasn’t a feminist. So I wouldn’t have looked there. Now I am.

When I joined Mumsnet I would have called myself a feminist but I didn't use the feminist section. It was posts that were put in AIBU that alerted me to issues and now I am an active feminist.

So I agree that some threads should be allowed to stay here.

www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/review-legal-loophole-allows-sex-20983476

Obscuring the identity of offenders is of no interest to all Mumsnetters. Aye right!

Some people just come here for the parking threads. 🤷‍♀️

@SourAppleChew

Some people just come here for the parking threads. 🤷‍♀️

TBH, I’m seriously thinking of asking for a separate section fe CF parking threads as it really annoys me how many of them pop up.

Meanwhile, in the real world, I kind of appreciate seeing topics that might have passed me bye in everyday life.

Neighbour parking outside my house ?
Neighbour is a sex offender who has name changed and has been " lost" by the police?
Wonder which is more UNreasonable?

@SourAppleChew

Some people just come here for the parking threads. 🤷‍♀️

AIBU to think that if people don’t like a thread topic from the title or the OP, they are adult enough to scroll right past?

AIBU to think it takes a certain type of person to wish threads about safeguarding moved out of sight?

I don't really mind them tbh. It's just that they have the potential to completely take over in a way that threads about veganism etc are unlikely to.

That indicates that safeguarding is an important topic that impacts everyone in society and threats to such are happening on a daily basis. If threads about safeguarding “take over” it can only be a good thing. It can never be talked about enough. Anyone who thinks it’s a topic that can be discussed too much raises red flags 🚩 to me.

Some people are pro trans and they’re entitled to their opinion (even if they’re wrong).

@SourAppleChew

Some people are pro trans and they’re entitled to their opinion (even if they’re wrong).

Of course they are. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether threads about safeguarding should be moved though. What a bizarre tangent.

@SourAppleChew

Some people are pro trans and they’re entitled to their opinion (even if they’re wrong).

Eh? Of course they are entitled to their own opinions. I mean, AIBU wouldn’t be where it is if it wasn’t for everyone having an opinion!

I just find it weird that a certain opinion, even when it’s related to a much wider issue such as safeguarding, means it needs to be shuffled off to a safe space. Quite ironic re safe spaces really!

I guess what I meant is that not everybody is gender critical and shares the view that it must be spread as prolifically as possible.

I’m certainly GC myself, but I understand why some people were getting annoyed with trans threads taking over FWR. I’m not saying GC threads shouldn’t be posted in AIBU or should be silenced, but honestly some people are a bit mono maniacal about this topic and giving them carte blanche to post all over AIBU could easily be abused.

The usual answer is that the forum represents what people want to discuss, so posters should just start their own threads and ignore the ones they don't care about. However, this doesn’t really work when most people are just posting casually whilst a smaller group of individuals are deliberately trying to push a topic and create as many threads as humanly possible about it.

Again, this thread is not about “gender critical” views being spread, it’s about being able to raise safeguarding concerns for wider discussion. You do love your tangents.

Can't vote because I'm on the app (@MNHQ why can't we vote on the app?) but YADDNBU