AIBU to think that discussion of criminal acts towards children and who the perpetrators are , are of importance to MN users , and threads should remain in AIBU with polls attached.

[Thevenerableswede]

This refers to the thread about an abuser in Canada which was moved, but has happened with other similar posts to the feminist boards. I imagine that everyone here has concerns , not just feminists.

@AuntieStella

Can you post a link to Mumsnet’s Child Safeguarding section?

If you think MN should have one, then ask in Site Stuff and one will be created if there is enough traffic, reflecting both the importance and the interest - actual interest, that is, not what people think others are interested in when they are MNetting (which of couse does not map to RL priorities)

I don't remember anyone ever asking for such a topic

Until your request can be considered, you could try Parenting, Education, News, possibly General Health or Children's Health (depending on what aspect of safeguarding you want to talk about) or if more ephemeral the Chat

Ahem @itcouldhave it’s not presumption, it’s already happened.

@AngeloMysterioso Yes, I’m aware it’s happened. My point was that you assumed I thought child safeguarding was unimportant and I don’t think that at all.

As it happens, I agree that the impact on crime reporting and statistics of men identifying as women is a huge issue and one which clearly was not properly thought through.

The response to this concern shouldn’t be to flood random areas of MN with clumsily-worded threads to try and avoid being moved to the correct topic. It should be to make the correct topics appear more in Active. The whole reason topics end up as tumbleweed is because people consistently refuse to use them and post in AIBU and Chat ‘for traffic’. If people posted in the correct topics and MN actually moved threads, the topics wouldn’t be tumbleweed.

@Comingoutfighting

Can somebody who has an interest in keeping the AIBU threads pure please explain what they are actually for? If not to draw attention to matters that concern the vast majority of us, what?

AIBU to ask what is the age gap between your children?

AIBU to ask about your opinion on margarine vs butter?

AIBU to think dog shit left in parks is disgusting?

AIBU to think male crimes being recorded as female crimes is wrong?

Can you not see the difference?

@itcouldhave what? Where have I referred to you at any point??

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4296389-To-think-free-healthcare-as-we-know-it-wont-exist-in-five-ten-or-so-years-from-now

Hardly unimportant or irrelevant!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4294337-A-library-thought-it-appropriate-to-book-this-entertainment-for-children-and-I-feel-sick

Another unimportant and irrelevant topic?

The joy of Aibu is the mix of serious and frivolous.

@itcouldhave

Except some posters are blatantly gaming AIBU by creating polls and framing trans rights issues as an AIBU because they don’t agree with the creation of the new topic.

For once, MN is doing the correct thing by moving the trans discussion threads to the appropriate topic.

Why do you think how the press report convictions of child rape to be something that should only be discussed in a “trans rights” forum? Are you saying it should only be discussed in the context of whether the convicted person has the right or not to be described by their gender, and not whether the wider public has the right to know exactly who has been convicted of what?

To me, this is the problem: the framing of something that impacts everyone (worthy of AIBU) as something that affects just a few bothersome people (farm it off to FWR).

YANBU

And again, as usual, the majority of posters agree that topics such as these should be allowed in AIBU.

It seems though that some posters are simply unable to scroll past threads they are determined to not be interested in. So they whine about them until they are moved.

That it is infantilising is clear to many, except those who simply cannot cope with another thread that isn’t what they want because they simply cannot accept they are the minority. And, in some cases, quite extreme in their own prejudices.

I guess they don’t like the reminder of the polls that are overwhelmingly against their views.

Why do you think how the press report convictions of child rape to be something that should only be discussed in a “trans rights” forum? Are you saying it should only be discussed in the context of whether the convicted person has the right or not to be described by their gender, and not whether the wider public has the right to know exactly who has been convicted of what?

Because like it or not, this IS a discussion about trans rights. TRAs have consistently campaigned for men to be allowed to identify as women in every part of life with no caveats which includes reporting of crime.

You are fighting the wrong battle here. You need to make Feminism Chat appear in trending every day, not just go, ‘no one reads Feminism, let’s just post it all in AIBU’. I don’t understand why this is so hard to grasp.

I find it really curious how some of us can look at a press report and see issues such as sexual abuse of children, safeguarding, press freedom and compelled beliefs, while others only see trans rights.

You’re right, I do find it hard to grasp why people would oppose making any discussion about such an important issue harder rather than easier. I don’t understand that at all. You’re saying “shout louder from where you are” rather than “here’s a megaphone to make it easier”.

I completely find it hard to grasp why someone would want that about an issue impacting the safety of children. Again, the framing of such issues as a “trans rights” issue is incorrect. This is an issue that impacts everyone.

@NotBadConsidering

You’re right, I do find it hard to grasp why people would oppose making any discussion about such an important issue harder rather than easier. I don’t understand that at all. You’re saying “shout louder from where you are” rather than “here’s a megaphone to make it easier”.

I completely find it hard to grasp why someone would want that about an issue impacting the safety of children. Again, the framing of such issues as a “trans rights” issue is incorrect. This is an issue that impacts everyone.

Sigh.

Ok, have it your way and continue bombarding AIBU with posts about trans discussions (because that’s exactly what this is, despite posters pretending otherwise in order to stay in AIBU). I agree with your point, I just disagree with how you’re going about it.

I truly don’t understand why this issue is seen as a ‘feminist’ one. Surely ANY mother, or concerned adult, has an opinion on how men who assault children are described in press reports and by the judiciary?
Why isn’t the safeguarding issue first and foremost the consideration here?

If police put out a warning saying ‘We have been made aware that a woman has been approaching children near Maple Leaf Primary (please note this is a made up school)’ but that person is in fact a man, well what happens next? Do children and parents watch out for women acting strangely and drop their guards?
If an adult corrects a child who says ‘a man touched me’ and says ‘you mean a woman touched you’ then how does that child not become so confused that their recollection of events becomes entirely compromised?

And if that man gets put into the women’s estate and assaults female prisoners (as has happened). Well, that’s entirely lawful isn’t it.

Why is this a feminist issue? Don’t ‘normal’ Mumsnetters care about safeguarding? I don’t get it.

Yanbu

Ok, have it your way and continue bombarding AIBU with posts about trans discussions (because that’s exactly what this is, despite posters pretending otherwise in order to stay in AIBU). I agree with your point, I just disagree with how you’re going about it.

It’s not “bombarding” . The occasional thread bringing important safeguarding issues to a wider audience? How many are allowed then? One a week, one a month? What makes it “bombarding”?

It’s not a “trans discussion”. As Floisme said:

I find it really curious how some of us can look at a press report and see issues such as sexual abuse of children, safeguarding, press freedom and compelled beliefs, while others only see trans rights.

You made it clear how this should be brought about into wider discussion: keep it in one place and hope enough people notice. In the meantime, no one is bothered.

Yanbu to think this should be in a high traffic place.
Yabu to not have turned on the poll option as tantalising promised in the op. I do like a button!

@TheSlayer - the poll/vote option is definitely there (current status attached)

I don't disagree that child safeguarding has a wider reach than being purely a feminist issue. However, if we agree it belongs in AIBU then we open the floodgates for certain posters spamming the section with trans threads, which was already a problem in the feminist section to the degree that a separate section had to be created.

@SourAppleChew - so safeguarding issues should be moved elsewhere, otherwise trans threads will dominate the board?

That literally makes no sense! If there are transphobic posts/threads then people should report them - they will, quite rightly, be removed or deleted.

But to say that safeguarding issues should be moved elsewhere, purely so trans threads shouldn’t pop up is, quite frankly, blooming nuts.

Well, I guess safeguarding threads that aren't about trans women might be best outside of the trans section.

Well, I guess safeguarding threads that aren't about trans women might be best outside of the trans section

Any other safeguarding topics which don't belong with the "real safeguarding topics"?
Safeguarding of disabled children should only be on disabled section?
Safeguarding of LGBT children should only be on LGBT section?
Safeguarding of children from a Scottish assailant should only be on Scotsnet?

As a new poster you may be unaware that there is quite an overlap of subjects in AIBU and that's what makes it interesting.