To think freedom from lockdown will be cancelled before Monday

[Viviennemary]

I think there will be backpedalling on the lockdown lifting. Really pessimistic news today. We are being prepared. IMHO.

I’m double jabbed and done everything I can to prevent the spread without being obsessive; masks, sanitise etc. I’m getting on with life- just being careful.

I am completing my final days of a teaching contract ( supply) in a large school before I move on to my permanent job next Sept.

The lady I work with is an anti vaxer; she ended up contracting Covid and was off for : weeks, but has come back today. Refuses to have any jabs or wear a mask around the school corridors as stipulated by the school. Said those already vaccinated got it worse - intended as a put down to me, clearly. Just a totally cavalier attitude. She’s mid 30’s but I’m 50.

I complained to the agency about safety at work and that we are all wearing masks, except her in public spaces such as corridors. Not only did they not back me up, they and they school ignored my polite emails asking why she wasn’t told to wear a mask. Total denial. Even said I didn’t need to know she had isolated. Just that she had tested negative and was back at school and feels well. No response when I asked if masks were personal choice in school.

I give up! I wish I could complain. There could be some vulnerable teachers and staff- but these people absolutely will not respect the guidelines. Basically, if schools and agencies dong care now, then it just shows how few people will respect mask wearing after next week.

@OnSecondThoughts

Come on, of course it won't be cancelled. Boris has repeatedly called this "roadmap" "Irreversible", hasn't he? That word means no going back, once a thing is done it cannot ever be undone. Remember that word! So if there was another lockdown, then you would know beyond all doubt that Boris and his team are liars and that you cannot trust them - wouldn't you?

It’s seemingly a roadmap with no speed limits nor importantly any direction or signposting. Perhaps it’s a perpetual circular route with more collateral damage as those with less health privilege will likely be extremely vulnerable even double/triple vaccinated.

Suppose, just speaking hypothetically, that the vaccines ultimately prove useless and that Covid is here to stay with no effective treatment or cure, and that it will kill say 100,000 people (in the UK) every year, without end. What should we do? Lock down every year, forever?

@OnSecondThoughts

Suppose, just speaking hypothetically, that the vaccines ultimately prove useless and that Covid is here to stay with no effective treatment or cure, and that it will kill say 100,000 people (in the UK) every year, without end. What should we do? Lock down every year, forever?

Some people would expect to yes!

@Demelza82

It won't be cancelled because of the populist pandering

Stop using the word 'freedom' that belongs to persecuted people not bored, selfish non-resillient first world dullards

THANK YOU

Three neigbhours have leukaemia. They can't go out because of the sheer numbers of people not wearing masks/distancing and so on. Do they have to stay home for the rest of their lives because of those who insist, "I'll do me, and you do you"? (That" I'll do me, you do you" bollocks isn't fooling anyone.) Or "It's a hoax!" (*how many dead, and these people think it's a hoax?)

@Doodlebug71

Three neigbhours have leukaemia. They can't go out because of the sheer numbers of people not wearing masks/distancing and so on. Do they have to stay home for the rest of their lives because of those who insist, "I'll do me, and you do you"? (That" I'll do me, you do you" bollocks isn't fooling anyone.) Or "It's a hoax!" (*how many dead, and these people think it's a hoax?)

Just call “I'll do me, and you do you" for what it is ie me me me self serving English exemptionalism entitlement or I’m alright and could not care less about anyone else! What goes round comes round as a sense of collective civic duty of care responsibility would be ideal for total sum gain.

@Doodlebug71

Three neigbhours have leukaemia. They can't go out because of the sheer numbers of people not wearing masks/distancing and so on. Do they have to stay home for the rest of their lives because of those who insist, "I'll do me, and you do you"? (That" I'll do me, you do you" bollocks isn't fooling anyone.) Or "It's a hoax!" (*how many dead, and these people think it's a hoax?)

In most other areas of life, people do and will prioritise themselves and their needs above others.

How many people are starving to death? Millions upon millions, yet how much does each house contribute to charity to help support these dying children and adults? Let’s be honest…. Most people could probably could spare a bit more change to help these poor people…

The same with organ donation. Some people don’t want to give permission for their loved ones organs to be used to help save another life or several lives and that’s their choice…

Now these examples, are two instances where choices people make could save lives, but they chose not to, but it wouldn’t be ok to say, ‘you don’t care about other people’ would it?

So for those that say - “You don’t care about others” just because they want to get back to normal (ie not having their kids sent home for 10 days every few weeks) I hope that you send plenty money to Africa, to help prevent unnecessary deaths and that you don’t opt out of organ donation.

Nobody wants anyone to die and most people have followed the rules for the last year and a half to help prevent that, but some people are suffering from MN due to these imposed restrictions.

So have a think of the above examples before you question other peoples integrity.

This isn’t really directed at you as such @Doodlebug71 I didn’t mean to tag you in it

It was more a general post

@Doodlebug71 I was one you were quoting. I desperately need to get out and socialise. I have been dealing with PTSD caused by the NHS this past year. Been completely isolated. My mental health can't not take it. To the point I have had letters saying if I need hospitalisation I get a visitor and support regardless of hospital rules. I have been advised by doctors to see people/have gatherings because the risk to my health is higher from my PTSD than it is from covid.
I understand that for come CEV people unlocking will be less than ideal for them and that for them staying in lockdown may be best but for many they desperately need the mental break from restrictions. Why is my health less important than someone else's? Post 19th of July you can still protect yourself (maybe ask people to do lateral flpw tests for seeing you?) for me it has at times been illegal to help myself.

For what it is worth I would happily continue with mask wearing in shops/public transport and equally I like my person space to will be staying 2 meters away from people.

So many people (not just people on MN) act like covid is the only medical condition these days. This country still does not value mental health as highly as physical health. Until we do how can we call ourselves a civil society.

Something needs to be done about self isolation rules for those who've had two vaccinations surely? It's causing a lot of issues in the workplace with so many people getting alerts regularly.

@Isitsixoclockalready

Something needs to be done about self isolation rules for those who've had two vaccinations surely? It's causing a lot of issues in the workplace with so many people getting alerts regularly.

They are from august you don’t need to isolate if a contact .

@Imnothereforthedrama cheers, that's positive (no pun intended).

@3cats4poniesandababy

They can cancel all they like, and while yes I may be restricted on places open, I will be cracking on seeing my friends and family and having gatherings. If other people want to stay in more you do you, I'll do me.

That's not how public health works, sweetie.

See here's the problem - freedom for you is back in jail for sick, vulnerable, older people who will be exposed to more of the virus - stop being so self centred and just carry on doing what you can so as not to infect & kill others less fortunate

@Bertiebiscuit

See here's the problem - freedom for you is back in jail for sick, vulnerable, older people who will be exposed to more of the virus - stop being so self centred and just carry on doing what you can so as not to infect & kill others less fortunate

Why if they've been vaccinated?

It's a genuine question, why would anyone vaccinated need to put themselves "back in jail"?

I can’t wait, we will learn to live with it like we do the flu. Stop living in fear.

It's a genuine question, why would anyone vaccinated need to put themselves "back in jail"?

With high levels of disease circulating even the vaccinated are at higher risk, especially given the vaccine isn’t 100% protective (jo vaccine is.

Why do people say such silly things?

It won’t be cancelled

It should be cancelled, as things are already getting out of control. But it wont be because Bojo doesnt have a clue what he is doing.

I wonder too...in the past 3 days my DS was sent home from school as 8 in his class tested positive, my friend's whole family have tested positive too. Just waiting for DS PCR test results - it does feel like it's everywhere!

Stop using the word 'freedom' that belongs to persecuted people not bored, selfish non-resillient first world dullards

Don't be so ridiculous. The word 'freedom' doesn't belong to anyone. It's just a word. A perfectly ordinary word that you can find in the dictionary alongside all the other words, and in all kinds of contexts - from adverts to business names to songs. Stop trying to police people's use of perfectly normal language!

@BlatantlyNameChanged

So many people have had their lives turned upside down over a virus that has practically zero chance of making them anything more than a bit poorly.*

A bit more than zero chance even when you factor in personal risk factors rather than overall risk and death isn't the only risk as the increasing numbers of people suffering Long Covid show.

We've taken vaccines probably more likely to kill us than the virus they're supposed to prevent.

Again, inaccurate. The risk of side effects from the vaccine is far lower than the risk of side effects from covid.

We've done this (with only a bit of grumbling) to protect people who are at more risk.

That wasn't the sole reason for lockdown. It was to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed and to try and minimise the case numbers and deaths. If the NHS collapsed then heart attacks, car crashes, serious accidents, births, strokes, etc have nowhere to go. Trying to conserve capacity within the healthcare system was a major priority. The death rate with controls was high enough, it would have been far higher without.

The same people now have the audacity to call us selfish for wanting to resume some sort of normality.

Which people would they be? Disabled people have been treated appallingly by the government during covid and now they're about to be thrown under the bus again, don't you think they have reason to be concerned when the official advice is pretty much "suck it up, some of you might die, try and go shopping when it's quieter"?

No one wants to be in lockdown forever but at least keep your arguments for it factual.

Tell that to my brother who was forced to vaccinate due to working with dementia sufferers and now has PERMENANT nerve damage

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest tbh.