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The Italian Captain is a bully!

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ICECream821 · 13/07/2021 13:40

The Italian Football Captain is a horrible bully.

He should have got a red card for the way he treated Saka pulling his shirt collar and dragging him to the floor.

Also when Italy were against Spain the way he grabbed the Spanish captain persuading him to do penalties on the Italian side.

I can’t stand him. He deserves no praise and his team played dirty!

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ChocBeforeCock · 13/07/2021 20:19

Giorgio Chiellini is what is known in the footballing world as a shithouse. He winds people up. He plays dirty. There are lots of players like him! It’s part of football.

I am more bothered about his team mate Leonardo Bonucci (who scored for Italy) saying a teenage player who received racist chanting from the crowds in a Serie A game brought it on himself. He’s a total arsehole.

Frownette · 13/07/2021 20:21

Rugby is a contact sport. Football is not, unless it's by grabbing a teenage black player by the scruff of the neck and pulling them down.

If that's your idea of fair play I suggest you switch to rugby.

Lucidas · 13/07/2021 20:21

Gamesmanship with a grin. Obnoxious man.

SallySycamore · 13/07/2021 20:25

He tackled (and yes fouled) the player with the ball. Kind of how the game is played.

I think the reason I didn't like the look of it was that, although the above is perfectly true, he went for the player, and not the ball. He couldn't have cared less about ending up with the ball, he just wanted to stop Saka.

tigger1001 · 13/07/2021 20:27

@SallySycamore

He tackled (and yes fouled) the player with the ball. Kind of how the game is played.

I think the reason I didn't like the look of it was that, although the above is perfectly true, he went for the player, and not the ball. He couldn't have cared less about ending up with the ball, he just wanted to stop Saka.

Which is why they were awarded a free kick and the player was booked.
tigger1001 · 13/07/2021 20:30

@Frownette

Rugby is a contact sport. Football is not, unless it's by grabbing a teenage black player by the scruff of the neck and pulling them down.

If that's your idea of fair play I suggest you switch to rugby.

Football is a contact sport though. Was the tackle a foul? Yes no doubt. Which is why he was booked and had a free kick awarded against him.

Being a teenage black player in this scenario is irrelevant. Unless you think that teenagers should be treated differently. And also black players? When playing they are just players.

melj1213 · 13/07/2021 20:31

@Frownette

Rugby is a contact sport. Football is not, unless it's by grabbing a teenage black player by the scruff of the neck and pulling them down.

If that's your idea of fair play I suggest you switch to rugby.

@Frownette you still haven't answered the question as to why you believe football is a non contact sport under the current rules of the game.

"Shoulder to shoulder" contact is defined within the laws of the game, as are the limitations and context of contact before it becomes a foul/violent conduct. Therefore, within the laws of the game it is defined as a contact sport

XelaM · 13/07/2021 20:34

People who think Chiellini's foul was anything special clearly haven't seen Zidane's in the 2006 World Cup final Grin Now THAT was something

Frownette · 13/07/2021 20:34

Get real, it's a non contact sport aside from accident. What do you think yellow/red cards are for?

Stick to rugby. You'd have all the delights of contact violence.

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 13/07/2021 20:35

Not that makes it any better but Harry Maguire wrested a player to the ground by the neck in the league.. in the penalty box. Nothing given...sooo this no surprise.

melj1213 · 13/07/2021 20:36

@SallySycamore

He tackled (and yes fouled) the player with the ball. Kind of how the game is played.

I think the reason I didn't like the look of it was that, although the above is perfectly true, he went for the player, and not the ball. He couldn't have cared less about ending up with the ball, he just wanted to stop Saka.

Which is the definition of a tactical foul - Chiellini knew he should play the ball not the player, but if he let Saka continue he would put England in a good position to get the winning goal, so chose the "lesser of two evils" in knowingly committing a tactical foul. By doing so he (rightfully) earned a yellow card, but he also stopped England's attack and forward momentum. When you're trying to win, probably getting a yellow card is worth it if you guarantee the other team doesn't score
Frownette · 13/07/2021 20:36

@melj1213 kicking and grabbing isn't

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 13/07/2021 20:37

Chiellini = a colossus

Perhaps if England had a few more Chiellini types down the years they wouldn't be the most ridiculously under-achieving nation in footballing history, and this thread wouldn't be so full of butthurt and astonishing ignorance, bemoaning the fact that yet again England have failed to win when presented with every single advantage imaginable.

As for the petition -

What an embarrassment Blush

Presumably there's one demanding a replay of the 1966 Final where England benefitted to the tune of one 'goal' that was no such thing, and another scored at a point when the match should have been suspended due to interlopers on the pitch?

No, thought not.

Can I have a link to the one arguing for Denmark's reinstatement after being cheated by an English player then?

melj1213 · 13/07/2021 20:38

@Frownette

Get real, it's a non contact sport aside from accident. What do you think yellow/red cards are for?

Stick to rugby. You'd have all the delights of contact violence.

Again, you still haven't answered the question as to what rules make you believe it is non contact @Frownette

Why do the laws of the game define the limits of permissible contact (eg "shoulder to shoulder challenges") if it is no contact? If it is a no contact sport them those rules would not exist as no contact would be permissible within the rules

tigger1001 · 13/07/2021 20:39

@Frownette

Get real, it's a non contact sport aside from accident. What do you think yellow/red cards are for?

Stick to rugby. You'd have all the delights of contact violence.

How do you tackle without contact? Would be a very different game if tackling wasn't part of it.

Grabbing shirts isn't allowed - which is why he was booked and England had the free kick. But contact? Yep it's a contact sport.

HeyGirlHeyBoy · 13/07/2021 20:39

It isn't Frownette, a non contact support is one where the players have no contact with one another, what's not to get. Badminton, tennis, ping pong, golf, non contact lacrosse but football is not in that list. There is going to be contact so it's off the list. There is often brushing together, a bit of pushing etc all without a whistle, it is a contact sport.

Frownette · 13/07/2021 20:40

What makes you believe that it does?

SallySycamore · 13/07/2021 20:40

Yes, I have done my hours on the touchline.

I just think if we're talking good sportsmanship and "play the ball, not the man" at grass roots level, then fouls like that one happen at world class level it seems a bit pointless.

I wouldn't like to be the coach or manager responsible for dealing with a child with a broken wrist, grazed throat, banged head etc from being yanked down like that by somebody knowing it's "just" a yellow.

(And yes, the referee was correct. I still think it was potentially dangerous, and I'd be cross and disappointed if I saw a child think it was acceptable.)

Travis1 · 13/07/2021 20:42

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melj1213 · 13/07/2021 20:43

[quote Frownette]@melj1213 kicking and grabbing isn't[/quote]
If a player kicks/grabs another player in the process of getting the ball (eg they tackle a player, get the ball but take the player down too) then it is permissible contact and that is written into the laws of the game.

If they grab/kick a player off the ball, or make no attempt to play the ball, then it is not permissible. Whether it is a foul (earning a warning or yellow card) or dangerous/violent conduct (earning a red card) depends entirely on the situation

Frownette · 13/07/2021 20:48

How do you explain grabbing someone by the neck and pulling them over? Just your average day racism?

Get real, it was a protracted offense.

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2021 20:49

Is football a contact sport?

thepfsa.co.uk/is-football-a-contact-sport/

The Free Medical Dictionary by Farlex, is a little more specific, referring to contact sport as one in which players have a range of contact with other players or inanimate objects

Frownette · 13/07/2021 20:55

@DuncinToffee

Is football a contact sport?

thepfsa.co.uk/is-football-a-contact-sport/

The Free Medical Dictionary by Farlex, is a little more specific, referring to contact sport as one in which players have a range of contact with other players or inanimate objects

It's not rugby. Posters here don't want to acknowledge the violence.

It's non contact, only in the minds of thugs.

But they'd use any justification for it.

GirlAloud · 13/07/2021 20:55

A big thank you to all the non-football fans on this thread who have given me a good laugh with their lack of understanding of tactical fouls. Grin

Chiellini is a vastly experienced master defender, in the best Italian tradition. He knew exactly what he was doing, and took a yellow card in order to neutralise the danger to his team. I wish he played for my club.

tigger1001 · 13/07/2021 20:57

@Frownette

How do you explain grabbing someone by the neck and pulling them over? Just your average day racism?

Get real, it was a protracted offense.

It was a foul against an opposing player. Race had nothing to do with it.