A library thought it appropriate to book this 'entertainment' for children and I feel sick

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I thought it was a joke, a photoshop job, a hoax even but it's not.

WTF

A children's entertainer in a library with this costume?

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1414247886242598912?s=19

What the hell is this?

Wtf?

The % of supporters has risen to 5%? Love to know why they think this is acceptable.

@NiceGerbil

How does this have anything to do with transphobia?

It doesn't.

What it means is bloody women just ignore them.

It appears at first glance to have nothing to do with trans people. But those shouting "transphobia!" have decided to make it about trans.

Why would they want to do that?

As a completely frivolous aside, seeing an MP using the phrase "rainbow dildo butt monkey" in a formal letter on headed paper made me laugh.

It made me laugh too

It appears at first glance to have nothing to do with trans people. But those shouting "transphobia!" have decided to make it about trans. Why would they want to do that?

I imagine their logic goes something like:

“That person objecting to rainbow penis butt monkey also objects to males in spas with children. That person is therefore a transphobe which means rainbow penis butt monkey must be good.”

'
“That person objecting to rainbow penis butt monkey also objects to males in spas with children. That person is therefore a transphobe which means rainbow penis butt monkey must be good.”'

I'd go with...

What group of people are generally very quick to react to that costume in a library and the arse at the veiled women. And in general to general cock around the place whether real (or a dildo displayed by a man) in public/ in places where male people are not supposed to be...

Hmm.

That would be women.

Is there a way to dismiss/ discredit women who say woah that cock being here is totally out of order...

Oh! T*RF etc fits the bill!

It's about time they put professional staff back in to the library system who understand the complexities of running a truly inclusive provision for all of the community, not just a vocal trendy group, and know how to negotiate all the different demands. As opposed to putting all access to resources under the control of a middle class elite group, with a few unpaid dogsbodies, who are rich enough to not be paid adequately and who want to impose their politics on everybody else.

This is someone on Twitter comparing Rainbow dildo butt monkey to Michelangelo’s statue of David.
You really couldn’t make this stuff up.

Sorry it didn’t attach.

@MellieBellie

The company posted a lukewarm non-apology on Twitter, but it was undermined when they liked a tweet complaining that the outrage had been manufactured by 'Twitter transphobes' .

They also liked a second tweet comparing the situation to seeing animals at the zoo.

So, you mean rainbow dildo butt monkey is also trans? Did anyone have any idea, I mean other than those who blamed the backlash on “TERFS”? Does anyone know the monkeys pronouns?

I cannot understand how the company can claim they intended no offence to anyone. What effect did they think mooning bare plastic buttocks at Muslim women was going to have?

Or are they saying the actor was out of control? Seems to me the antics were in perfect accord with the costume!

So we label anyone who disapproves a TERF, even though there's no suggestion monkey or any of them is trans, and we can write off the objection. Is that how it works?

Is monkey trans-species, perhaps - is that it?

And how do they know all the people objecting are feminists? Perhaps TERF is the new Karen.

Well. There you go. An inanimate statue with a non erect penis that you look at from a distance is the same as a gyrating, twerking monkey with a swinging dildo and bare butt inches always from children’s faces?

I think they have overstretched themselves there.

I'm not sure about this now common thing of using middle class to mean cut off from the real world and no empathy etc.

I know you said elite but still.

The middle class in the UK is huge. It encompasses a very very wide variety of people from loads and loads of backgrounds.

Who is actually pushing all this? Again a range of people with a massive range of characteristics, backgrounds, political views etc etc.

So why?
How have so many orgs been 'captured'?
And even if say it was being pushed by an elite vocal middle class group.
Why the hell did the people working at the library not say hold on. This isn't what we thought. Sorry. You can't perform in the library.
The parents? Most parents i know would have been wtf and looking at each other like and depending on the person said hold on, gone to talk to the library people saying this is awful they need gone, or just left.

So many bizarre things are going on and ordinary people are reluctant I think to say or do anything.

Ideas on why?
Not wanting not to be cool and groovy?
The library thinks it's fine so I must be missing something?

The arse bearing at the women who were veiled. Easy to imagine why they wouldn't react at all. As most women and esp women who have characteristics that mean they get shit generally. That's a bog standard fuck you to women from a man. And we all know how it can go when you challenge them...

So fear, socialisation must play a big part. A man dressed like that etc many women would read as a threat. It's a display of male dominance. And socialisation says. Man doing something you read as a threat.
Do not antagonise.
Do not make a fuss.
Play along if you must until you can get the fuck out of there.

Obviously loads of women will say something etc but then you've got the bystander effect as well...

Just some thoughts.

Michaelangelo's David does not have a dick like that!

Back then small penises were considered better- they thought it meant more fertile or something.

Why not cite the Verne giant or something that would at least have made sense!

(Being silly obv).

Cerne not Verne.

Are voices loud enough on this issue of men bulldozing their perversions into plain sight? It's a difficult one as this kind of thing has been going on for a good while now but protest against it stirs up the "Not All Men" and "You Are Anti" crew.

So, how far will it go? Will everyone wake up when "indecent exposure" is no longer a crime? When men getting their rocks off by dangling their cock and balls in front of women and children in fact other men who may be offended too - and any protest against that is seen as being prudish/trampling on their rights?

@DeeCeeCherry You're spot on. It was this monkey incident that made me realise we're in the grip of a penis cult. The penis people are going to push this to its limits.

I feel awful for the local residents here. Surely nobody with young kids will be back now? Another safe space gone.

Just thinking.

Would the monkey bending over on the bench like that and from the pics just happening to have his fake arsehole pointing at fully veiled women be outraging public decency?

In fact is the whole thing not potentially outraging public decency?

If that's still a law...?!

CPS

'Outraging public decency
At common law it is an offence to do in public any act of a lewd, obscene or disgusting nature which outrages public decency. If conduct falls within the scope of a statutory offence, such as exposure contrary to section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 (see above) it is better practice to charge that offence unless, exceptionally, the offence merits a higher penalty than that available in relation to the statutory offence. Outraging public decency is triable either way and there is no maximum penalty.

The requirement for the behaviour to 'outrage' public decency was said by Lord Simon in Knuller (Publishing, Printing and promotions) Ltd v DPP to: "go considerably beyond the susceptibilities of, or even shocking, reasonable people".

The circumstances surrounding the conduct will need to be carefully considered. Section 66 SOA is available and normally to be preferred where it is done with the intention to cause alarm and distress.'

I’ve just come back and this thread has tripled So, sorry if this link has been posted before:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4294184-Obscene-costumed-volunteers-handing-out-summer-reading-at-Redbridge-library?msgid=109003020

There are some very valid and interesting comments on both threads, also some very good links that highlight the issues very well. I thought I would post a link in case anyone would like to check it out.

Except they weren’t volunteers, were they? They were “professionals” hired by the library…..

If there is evidence, this could be reported to the Police?
I wouldn't have much confidence in them doing anything mind. But a monkey costume clearly intended to be fetishistic in a children's reading event. Come on!

@DankGraveGhouls

Take away the rainbow fur and what are you left with? A unknown man walking around encouraging children to touch his plastic dildo. Wrong. As a parent if your first instinct isn't "get the fuck away from my kid" then you need to have a good, hard look at yourself and your priorities.

What also really pisses me off is the picture of them next to the Muslim families with women in burkhas. Its not my religion, and I know that there is an element of control/sexism etc, but modesty is important to those ladies and this totally disrespects that.

Now, I'm going to share a personal experience to explain why this is problematic from a safeguarding perspective for people who might think that this is art, that it's ok, that genitals aren't the problem.

TRIGGER WARNING BELOW

I was repeatedly abused by a relative who is peadophile as a child of 4 or 5, and one of the things that happened was that he had a BBQ apron with a print of a bare chest with a printed apron on, and it had a sewn on fake penis underneath it. First the peado made me hold the fabric penis whilst my mum and dad laughed and once I was used to that he got me alone and switched it for his actual penis.

Now, it was already funny when i held his fabric penis, so following that lead it felt like it should be "okay" to touch his real penis. I didn't feel like I could talk to my parents because they had laughed at my discomfort earlier and encouraged my boundaries to be crossed.

That erosion of safety leads to something called complex PTSD, its like what soldiers get but rather than recreating wartime violence sex abuse CPTSD sufferers recreated the horror of being abused, the helplessness, the disgust and fear by someone who is meant to protect them. It destroys lives.

I might email that to the libraries involved, actually.

Dank Thank you so much for sharing your experience.

I hope you don’t mind me quoting your post, but if just one extra person reads it, it may help them to protect a child from abuse.

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/easy-pie-rebranding-paedophilia.

Isn't it odd that people are determined to defend ehat Mandinga did even while Mandinga themselves are frantically trying to conceal the evidence. It so - kneejerky.

I mean - "anatomically correct"??