To think it’s ok that my sister collects her kids that have been exposed to covid?

[TableFlowerss]

My sister and ex bil have a fantastic relationship and share access between 3 kids 8, 13, 14 about 50:50. Works brilliantly, has done for years. Kids thriving, patents get on really well.

Kids were with dad since Saturday. Dad started feeling unwell Monday so got tested and he has covid. So kids are with dad at the min self isolating, so my DSIS can’t physically see them. She’s dropped stuff off like food, but keeps her distance and drops it off at the gate and talks through the window and uses face time.

Kids are fine generally, although a bit bored. Stil happy to be off school though!

She’s really missing them though an is struggling not being able to hug them etc…. She said she doesn’t give a shit about covid and she’s going fo collect them tomorrow as they’re bored shitless at dads house as poor sod is still having fo work do can’t entertain them.

She will self isolate and her DH will have to as well, but she’s not bothered as she just wants to hug her kids and can’t wait until next Saturday to see them properly and cuddle and give them kisses.

Her DH thinks she’s being silly, but I can totally see her point of view. She will isolate but she’ll have to be off work next week but so what?

Thoughts?

They are absolutely fine with their Dad. Mum can wait a few days for a hug.

@ittakes2

Your OP implies she does work 'Her DH thinks she’s being silly, but I can totally see her point of view. She will isolate but she’ll have to be off work next week but so what?'

and in your last post you have said she doesn't work.

Are you regretting exposing that she works and will be committing fraud or by 'work' in your original OP do you mean something else?

A- she’s not going to pick them up so no one is committing any crimes

B- she doesn’t work for a company. She’s not employed

@WombatChocolate

Why haven’t they been tested if showing symptoms? Seems first step.

Because it’s assumed they have so the cycle begins again for isolation.

I'm sure she's missing them but leaving them where they are is the most sensible thing to do at this point. (I worked for T&T)
Dad has to isolate 10 days after his symptoms started.
Each child needs to isolate 10 days after their own symptoms started.
If they moved to mum's house, mum and her dh have only just been exposed so they have to do 10 days after the day the dc arrive home.
If mum/her dh get symptoms they have to do a further 10 days from the start of their symptoms.
And that's ignoring the potential risk of serious illness or long covid.

Sounds like she’s made the right choice not which is good - if I were her DH I’d have been very about bringing DC with probable Covid into my house if they were perfectly fine where they were.

If I were them I’d get the DC tested - because I always want more data and recovery might possibly be a useful thing to have on file for future passporting purposes.

@ittakes2

To add, parents are allowed to pick up children. Childcare for your own children and moving them between parents houses is perfectly acceptable, always has been.

If someone decided they wanted to go and pick up their children, even if they had covid, that is perfectly acceptable and not illegal as you would suggest 🙄

If their dad couldn’t manage, she would have to pick them up anyway.

I would be absolutely furious with your sister if I was her DH. That's great she doesn't give a shit about covid but I've seen how fast it can spread around, plus the damage it can do.

It's the weakest person in the potential circle you've to think about, not the strongest. They're with their other parent, not being neglected. She was only thinking of herself when she planned to collect them - I see she's now reconsidered.

It's also so hard to fully isolate. I was having heavy cancer treatment through the pandemic, my DP worked from home and it was still so hard to fully self-contain our household.

@Blindstupid

As the kids are now symptomatic they must be tested. Then the self isolation starts again for them and their dad. So quarantine is now even longer for all involved.

No your sister should not pick them up given that dad has Covid and kids are symptomatic. Ffs …. We’re trying to minimise the spread of Covid, not have fkin Covid parties 🙄

Exactly this .... they're not now just finishing isolation they need to be pcr tested if they have symptoms

Think dad is probably ok after the ten days but for the kids it will be longer

If someone decided they wanted to go and pick up their children, even if they had covid, that is perfectly acceptable and not illegal as you would suggest

That’s to facilitate contact in the face of the stay at home order. It is specifically modified where children are isolating in which case they are to remain in place.

Can't highlight but you say she's 38, size 10 and healthy. A girl I work with is 18, size 8 and healthy. She tested positive on Xmas day and still has long COVID. Your sister should of picked them up straight away rather than leave them with someone with COVID symptoms. That's just abit odd I think. It's selfish of her to bring them back now if her husband is against it

No, let's not make things up, the official legal advice is that parents should discuss and agree: commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8901/.
It wouldn't be made illegal, because some children might be in distress if they have a change in routine or don't see a parent.

Unless she vaccinated she's prepared to get covid and risk long covid? Just for the sake of a few days? She's bound to get it as it will be Delta and much more transmissible. There is no guarantee she will have a mild version. She's being silly imo

I think it's very cavalier to say you're not bothered about the risks of Covid if you haven't yet had it yourself or don't know people who have suffered with it.

I understand the desire to be with the kids, I just think Covid isn't something to be taken so lightly.

It can be serious even in people who are young and healthy. She's thinking with her heart rather than her head.

I live in a high prevalence area and know many children who got it and parents didn't get it I would consider really hard as they are teens so more likely to pass it to parent than a younger child.

[quote TableFlowerss]@ittakes2

To add, parents are allowed to pick up children. Childcare for your own children and moving them between parents houses is perfectly acceptable, always has been.

If someone decided they wanted to go and pick up their children, even if they had covid, that is perfectly acceptable and not illegal as you would suggest 🙄

If their dad couldn’t manage, she would have to pick them up anyway.[/quote]
This is only applicable when not infected. Known infection = isolate

If I were her husband and she ignored my wishes not to deliberately bring COVID into the house when it could easily be avoided I'd be getting a divorce.

I don't get why the DC don't need to be tested @TableFlowerss ?

According to this link www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/symptoms/coronavirus-in-children/ they should be?

(I'm in Ireland so I realise I could be missing something obvious).

I think it's bit silly to collect them now since they have symptoms. What if she become unexpectedly ill? Then the kids will be spending time with another ill parent.

Sorry missed this before my last post:

Because it’s assumed they have so the cycle begins again for isolation.

I don't understand this.

Surely it's not the case in the UK that you just 'assume' someone has had Covid?

That's mad on a number of levels, including stats & answers to medical questions.

What also about contact tracing? Was this done for the 'assumed' cases?

@EarringsandLipstick - the only reason not to test would be someone trying to play the system so they don't have to have the kids isolate for the additional days. It's stupid, but that's people for you.

Anyone else think OP is the Mum?

@EarringsandLipstick

Sorry missed this before my last post:

Because it’s assumed they have so the cycle begins again for isolation.

I don't understand this.

Surely it's not the case in the UK that you just 'assume' someone has had Covid?

That's mad on a number of levels, including stats & answers to medical questions.

What also about contact tracing? Was this done for the 'assumed' cases?

Kids didn’t see dad until Sat morning (with sister all week) dad then felt poorly so was tested so kids never went to school until dads test came back.

Obviously it was positive so they’ve not been to school at all. Kids couldn’t pass it to anyone, as they’ve e not been anywhere so mo need to worry about track and trace for them.

Dad has completed all track and trace, so they know about kids etc.. so all is good.

This is the text their dad receiving, from the NHS stating what to do

**People you live with should also self-isolate for 10 days at the same time as you. If the people you live with get symptoms, they must self-isolate from the day their symptoms started and for the next 10 full days.

Care home residents should self-isolate for 14 days.

For a child or staff at school or nursery, tell the school/nursery**

It doesn’t say anywhere that you must get a test. It specifically states that you self isolate.

(If you live with someone that has covid)

Thanks for explaining TableFlowerss it seems so strange that tests aren't required. I understand that if the isolation period is extended that probably covers what is needed but even from a statistics, numbers POV you'd think that the UK government would want to know.