Or is Priti a f***ing hypocrite?!

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https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1412892001767460873?s=21

@Clavinova Absolutely nothing wrong with politicians supporting the England team but it was only 2 or 3 weeks ago she was supporting booing them BEFORE the game, what does booing do? support or rubbish the team?

People who support the death penalty nowadays are in full knowledge of the facts, Patel being a leading politician would have been, yet still supported it, which of course she is perfectly entitled too.

Labour are at least addressing the issues in their party, unlike the Tories and the PMs statements on Islam.

Brexit is done, no one believes the UK can ever rejoin, what Labour and other remainers want is a better working relationship with the EU, at least this is acknowledged or do you believe people like Hancock, Dowden, Jenrick and Javid can be remainers but suddenly become Brexitiers to further their careers?

@Whoarethewho

Really glad to see when it comes to the polls these peak woke mumsnetters are in a tiny minority. Keep wringing your hands and wiping away you tear smudged makeup. I'm finally glad we have a home secretary prepared to actually enforce immigration controls good on her and I will support even tougher measures.

100% agree. What makes me laugh is if you dare say a critical word about Abbott these same people scream 'racist' and other choice words which is a joke. She's a walking disaster, sent her child to private school whilst berating others who did the same. Such a hypocrite.

@Justanotherlurker

Openly racist if convenient, covertly racist when not.

I agree, it's no bad tactics just bad targets as the new found narrative, I suspect on MN though it will be memory holed into a becoming a right wing narrative.

Problem is the internet remembers

No, Justanotherlurker, you said the ECHR found the Labour Party was institutionally racist. The ECHR report said that there were 2 unlawful acts of harassment - by Ken Livingstone and a former Labour councillor - and discrimination for which the Labour Party is responsible and identified “serious failings in leadership and an inadequate process for handling antisemitism complaints.” All unacceptable but the report did not go as far as concluding the LP was institutionally racist which it was asked to consider.

@Justanotherlurker

The ECHR report did not say the Labour Party was institutionally racist so cringing for you.

Feel free to argue a technicality whilst ignoring the wider issue that it is'nt the Tories being repremanded by the ECHR for open racism.

Especially when the person I was replying to was trying to insinuate that the Tories was an openly openly racist party, nuance and reading the thread might help.

Apologies I quoted the wrong comment above. So in answer to this comment by you.

No, Justanotherlurker, you said the ECHR found the Labour Party was institutionally racist. The ECHR report said that there were 2 unlawful acts of harassment - by Ken Livingstone and a former Labour councillor - and discrimination for which the Labour Party is responsible and identified “serious failings in leadership and an inadequate process for handling antisemitism complaints.” All unacceptable but the report did not go as far as concluding the LP was institutionally racist which it was asked to consider.

thecatsatonthewall
it was only 2 or 3 weeks ago she was supporting booing them BEFORE the game

She didn't condemn the fans for booing rather than support them - perhaps she regretted her words on reflection. I mostly agree with her about identity politics though - I don't think Keir Starmer should have taken the knee, although I don't mind footballers doing so if they want to.

People who support the death penalty nowadays are in full knowledge of the facts, Patel being a leading politician would have been

Priti Patel was not a 'leading politician' in 2011 - in fact she had only been an MP for 18 months when she appeared on QT.

Labour are at least addressing the issues in their party

And yet you were claiming that people cannot change their 'core beliefs' - a lost cause then?

do you believe people like Hancock, Dowden, Jenrick and Javid can be remainers but suddenly become 'Brexitiers' to further their careers?

I didn't claim that Tory MPs were 'far more likely to be genuine' - you were making that claim for opposition MPs - look up 'Corbyn, Starmer, Labour Party' and 'fence sitting'.

As an Indian woman I have watched this thread with some interest. My takeaways from it:

1. If you are an Indian woman in a position of power be prepared for the backlash particularly from white women who will mock your speach, the way you dress and act. Read through the thread and see.

1. If you are Asian or Black, you are only allowed to be left wing. If you are not, the vitriol reserved for you as a conservative is double that for anyone else. That being said, if you are a woman of colour in any wing of politics then the vitriol is at least 50% higher. Try speaking to Diane Abbott or maybe Jess Phillips.

1. If you are an Asian woman, you cannot be interested in Sport, or patriotic. Everyone else can at this time, but you of course are a complete imposter.

Please nice middle class white "left leaning" net mummers do one of two things. 1) have a really good look at your attitudes and see them for what they are 2) Come out of the shadows and just be honest that you aren't that comfortable with us... it was a lot easier to know who to avoid when I was being chased down the street by the APL as a girl.

Brainwave89. My views on Patel are nothing whatsoever to do with her sex or ethnicity. I find her ideas and political views abhorrent. I don’t really care how she dresses, Johnson hardly sets a high standard. I do care how she acts, it’s true.

I don’t mind Asian women caring about football anymore than I care about white men caring about it. Entirely up to them. I do care about it being used to gain credibility through popularism. Johnson couldn’t even name the goal scorers in the 1966 cup, yet sells himself as a football fan and goes full fancy dress.

I think Sadiq Khan is as good a mayor as Andy Burnham. I think Keith Vaz is sound, as was Oonah King. David Lammy is excellent. Layla Moran is good too. Sayeeda Warsi says some sensible things.

It’s not about anything other than abhorrent views such as;

In 2013, Priti voted against same-sex marriage in England and Wales.

She voted against banning the detention of pregnant women.

She’s been a supporter of the death penalty, saying that it would “deter crime”.

She backed the immigration bills of 2014 and 2016 introducing the rent, work and bank account checks. This lead to members of the Windrush generation being wrongfully told they had no right to remain in the UK.

In 2015 and 2016, she voted for stricter immigration policies. These included forbidding asylum seekers to work if their application took longer than six months.

In 2017, Priti was fired from her position as International Development Secretary for conducting 14 off-the-book meetings with Israeli ministers and business people. She didn’t notify the PM at the time about these meetings.. Israeli officials were undoubtedly interested to meet with her because she controlled some of the funding the UK gives to Palestinian organisations.

Before she left her IDS role, Patel leveraged an £11bn aid budget as a trade incentive to make business deals with other countries in time for Brexit. It is illegal for the UK to explicitly use aid funds in this way, but that didn’t stop her.

She funneled hundreds of millions of pounds worth of the UK’s aid budget into corporate ventures. This included setting up five-star luxury hotels and shopping malls in Nigeria and investing in Chinese online gambling and restaurant chains.

As Home Secretary, she broke ministerial protocol for the second time by serving as an advisor for Viasat, cashing in a hefty £1000 an hour. The ministerial code states that former ministers have to consult the government advisory positions before taking up business appointments within two years of leaving the role.

@Brainwave89

As an Indian woman I have watched this thread with some interest. My takeaways from it:

1. If you are an Indian woman in a position of power be prepared for the backlash particularly from white women who will mock your speach, the way you dress and act. Read through the thread and see.

1. If you are Asian or Black, you are only allowed to be left wing. If you are not, the vitriol reserved for you as a conservative is double that for anyone else. That being said, if you are a woman of colour in any wing of politics then the vitriol is at least 50% higher. Try speaking to Diane Abbott or maybe Jess Phillips.

1. If you are an Asian woman, you cannot be interested in Sport, or patriotic. Everyone else can at this time, but you of course are a complete imposter.

Please nice middle class white "left leaning" net mummers do one of two things. 1) have a really good look at your attitudes and see them for what they are 2) Come out of the shadows and just be honest that you aren't that comfortable with us... it was a lot easier to know who to avoid when I was being chased down the street by the APL as a girl.

1. Have you never seen other women in a position of power mocked? Theresa May, Jess Philips, Nicola Sturgeon are just a few examples. Some of the vitriol directed at them has been savage.

1. Jess Philips is not a woman of colour. There’s a whole lot of vitriol directed at all members of the current government, regardless of their colour - Sunak, Javid and Zahawi seem to be getting off relatively lightly. The amount of vitriol Anna Soubrey attracted exceeded that directed at all the other female MPs put together.

1. The Asian woman in question supported booing the England team a couple of weeks ago. Now she’s suddenly a fan. Hypocrisy, no?

I’m very happy to see people of colour in positions of power, just not bullies with abhorrent views.

@Blossomtoes. I am very grateful your permission for women of colour to have power. Read this thread and see the vitriol. What you do not see, and -perhaps cannot understand is that your sub conscious racism amplifies any concerns you have about a person of colour who’s politics you do not agree with.

[quote Brainwave89]@Blossomtoes. I am very grateful your permission for women of colour to have power. Read this thread and see the vitriol. What you do not see, and -perhaps cannot understand is that your sub conscious racism amplifies any concerns you have about a person of colour who’s politics you do not agree with.[/quote]
What I do not see or understand is how anyone can defend an abhorrent politician and then gaslight those who criticise her with accusations of racism.

I can't believe the amount of hate and despicable name calling that Priti Patel gets. I think her being of Indian origin has a lot to do with it.
Indians are next in line to the Jewish people for Labour and their supporters. Once Labour and their supporters have had their fill with anti-semitism, they've got harassing of people of Indian origin lined up.

[quote Brainwave89]@Blossomtoes. I am very grateful your permission for women of colour to have power. Read this thread and see the vitriol. What you do not see, and -perhaps cannot understand is that your sub conscious racism amplifies any concerns you have about a person of colour who’s politics you do not agree with.[/quote]
Completely agree with you.
The scale at which Priti Patel gets hate is really scary.

@Brainwave89

As an Indian woman I have watched this thread with some interest. My takeaways from it:

1. If you are an Indian woman in a position of power be prepared for the backlash particularly from white women who will mock your speach, the way you dress and act. Read through the thread and see.

1. If you are Asian or Black, you are only allowed to be left wing. If you are not, the vitriol reserved for you as a conservative is double that for anyone else. That being said, if you are a woman of colour in any wing of politics then the vitriol is at least 50% higher. Try speaking to Diane Abbott or maybe Jess Phillips.

1. If you are an Asian woman, you cannot be interested in Sport, or patriotic. Everyone else can at this time, but you of course are a complete imposter.

Please nice middle class white "left leaning" net mummers do one of two things. 1) have a really good look at your attitudes and see them for what they are 2) Come out of the shadows and just be honest that you aren't that comfortable with us... it was a lot easier to know who to avoid when I was being chased down the street by the APL as a girl.

Exactly my thoughts.

What the left leaning middle class are doing quite well is pushing the hard working, aspirational people of Indian origin towards the Conservatives. I'm very disturbed with the abject racism that they display under the garb of politics and policies of Priti Patel. She hasn't done anything radical or different to what used to be already done under previous governments. So the hate against her must not be against the policies but against her.

@Brainwave89

As an Indian woman I have watched this thread with some interest. My takeaways from it:

1. If you are an Indian woman in a position of power be prepared for the backlash particularly from white women who will mock your speach, the way you dress and act. Read through the thread and see.

1. If you are Asian or Black, you are only allowed to be left wing. If you are not, the vitriol reserved for you as a conservative is double that for anyone else. That being said, if you are a woman of colour in any wing of politics then the vitriol is at least 50% higher. Try speaking to Diane Abbott or maybe Jess Phillips.

1. If you are an Asian woman, you cannot be interested in Sport, or patriotic. Everyone else can at this time, but you of course are a complete imposter.

Please nice middle class white "left leaning" net mummers do one of two things. 1) have a really good look at your attitudes and see them for what they are 2) Come out of the shadows and just be honest that you aren't that comfortable with us... it was a lot easier to know who to avoid when I was being chased down the street by the APL as a girl.

Baroness Warsi was on the Last Leg last night doing keepy uppys and talking about the Euros for ages...this is a Priti Patel thing.

It’s not because she’s Asian. It’s her politics. Theresa May is white and I fucking hate her too.

And I wish Mumsnet Tories would stop acting like left-wing antisemitism is the only type that exists. You only care about Jews when you can use us as an excuse to moan about how evil the left are. Yet not a word of condemnation from you when far right terrorists kill Jews or we get blamed for COVID.

What the left leaning middle class are doing quite well is pushing the hard working, aspirational people of Indian origin towards the Conservatives

They don’t need to be pushed. Traditionally the Tory party has been their natural home for decades and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Although I do wonder how long that will last now the Tories seem to be abandoning most of the values that make traditional natural Tories vote for them.

I pointed out a number of white female politicians above who attract equal vitriol - let me remind you: Theresa May, Jess Philips, Anna Soubrey (who was actually assaulted outside the Commons), Nicola Sturgeon. That post was completely ignored because it doesn’t fit the racist gaslighting narrative.

Priti Patel is a vile excuse for a human being. That’s why she’s reviled.

Thanks for your comments ladies. All I ask is that you search your own heads really carefully. In my experience, when a person of colour does not fit into the stereotype you would like them to fit, the vitriol they suffer is much greater than an equivalent white person. As I look through this thread I can see that- maybe you genuinely cannot? The same happens in my view in the criminal justice system- when a person of colour behaves badly the way they are treated is proportionately worse than anyone who is white. Embedded racism means that the brain takes exception to someone behaving outside of your expectations, be that a tory Asian woman minister, or a black youth who goes off the rails a little as a teen. There is much evidence that a white teen going off the rails is often given a second and third chance. Children of colour are generally not.

The danger for many on the left is that some forms of racism become acceptable- acceptable on this thread to criticise the way an Asian women speaks. I have never had on occasion when someone criticised how I or my family spoke, and the intent was not racist. Acceptable also to make antiemetic comments on the grounds that Jews are "white" and therefore cannot suffer racism. Clearly untrue. Often though it is much simpler if Tory Asians and the Jewish community are fair game?

So you’re not going to engage in any discussion @Brainwave89, you’re just here to push your agenda.

Priti Patel wants to house POC fleeing war and persecution on a prison island ffs. She wouldn’t condemn people booing the footballers taking a stand against racism. She is especially disliked because she has a most unfortunate resting smirk when she talks with relish about sending POC back to persecution. Bit of a stretch to call criticism of her racist. It’s nothing to do with her looks or clothes and everything to do with her vile opinions and actions.

I just did. How dare you encourage me of gas lighting when I challenge your view. Absolutely Jess suffers some terrible abuse, but the abuse suffered by any woman of colour who does not fit your stereotype of of what we should be is in my view worse, and is driven by bias as I explained above. You will understand that you will not be the first left leaning white woman I have come across who lacks any ability to critically examine her own thinking.

@Brainwave89

I just did. How dare you encourage me of gas lighting when I challenge your view. Absolutely Jess suffers some terrible abuse, but the abuse suffered by any woman of colour who does not fit your stereotype of of what we should be is in my view worse, and is driven by bias as I explained above. You will understand that you will not be the first left leaning white woman I have come across who lacks any ability to critically examine her own thinking.

I dare say you’re gaslighting just like you dare say I’m racist. You’ve explained nothing or made any attempt to justify your views. I’m definitely not the one failing to examine her thinking. And you’re assuming - with no evidence whatsoever - that I’m white. Why would that be?

Right above your first post there are two deleted for not complying with Mumsnet policies, and one focusing on Priti's accent. Did you call these out or question them? no you did not. For the record I did not say you were a racist. I just asked that you think carefully around your internal biases.

@Brainwave89

Right above your first post there are two deleted for not complying with Mumsnet policies, and one focusing on Priti's accent. Did you call these out or question them? no you did not. For the record I did not say you were a racist. I just asked that you think carefully around your internal biases.

What you do not see, and -perhaps cannot understand is that your sub conscious racism amplifies any concerns you have about a person of colour who’s politics you do not agree with

If that’s not calling me racist, I don’t know what is. Anyway you continue pursuing your biased agenda and refuse to engage meaningfully with anyone who disagrees. But please be more careful about bandying accusations of racism about - particularly while simultaneously displaying racial bias.

anyone remember she previously lost her job for basically committing treason?

@Brainwave89

As an Indian woman I have watched this thread with some interest. My takeaways from it:

1. If you are an Indian woman in a position of power be prepared for the backlash particularly from white women who will mock your speach, the way you dress and act. Read through the thread and see.

1. If you are Asian or Black, you are only allowed to be left wing. If you are not, the vitriol reserved for you as a conservative is double that for anyone else. That being said, if you are a woman of colour in any wing of politics then the vitriol is at least 50% higher. Try speaking to Diane Abbott or maybe Jess Phillips.

1. If you are an Asian woman, you cannot be interested in Sport, or patriotic. Everyone else can at this time, but you of course are a complete imposter.

Please nice middle class white "left leaning" net mummers do one of two things. 1) have a really good look at your attitudes and see them for what they are 2) Come out of the shadows and just be honest that you aren't that comfortable with us... it was a lot easier to know who to avoid when I was being chased down the street by the APL as a girl.

I can assure you that I would feel the same way if she was white or a man. Her desire to bring back capital punishment is all the reason I need. Yes, I know that she has back tracked on that in recent years, but I imagine that's because it caused such an outrage and is almost certainly doomed to failure. I can't stand the "hang em and flog em" types.