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AIBU- Dog vs neighbours allergic child !

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Henryhoover12 · 08/07/2021 14:45

Please can someone tell us if we’re being unreasonable or our neighbours are. We moved to a new house and really got on with our neighbours they are very lovely and we spend lots of time speaking to them. We mentioned that we were purchasing a dog In which they had mortified looks on their faces and explained their DC is extremely allergic to dogs (e.g can’t be in class with anyone who owns a dog etc has been in hospital) we kind of brushed it off and said we can speak about it closer to the time.

After that everytime we bumped into them they kept asking if we “changed our minds” which we found so awkward but in the end we told them not getting a dog wasn’t an option is we have always wanted one but are happy to work things out so it’s safe for their child. They took this badly and didn’t speak to us for a while. Closer to us picking up the dog we went around and asked what they would like us to do to ensure safety for their child.

One of the (long list of) rules was that we didn’t let the dog out while their child was in the garden. This seemed fine at the time until we realised their child is ALWAYS in the garden. And I mean always they have a little treehouse type thing that they play in so come rain and sunshine they are out there. At first we tried to play ball like if our dog wanted to wee we would walk him to the park 10 minutes but now it’s just getting ridiculous so we have started letting him go to wee when it’s raining outside because we really can’t be asked to walk 20 minutes just for that. The last time we did the mum came our and shouted at me saying I’m going to kill her child. AIBU to think that our dog has every much right to use our garden as the child? Our poor dog loves to be outside but is trapped inside because of this and I’m starting to think it’s really unfair

OP posts:
Womencanlift · 08/07/2021 20:44

Sorry I thought this was an opinion forum not a let’s all agree with the OP forum. I have read the thread, focusing on the OPs as that is where the detail is.

I personally think the OP is BU others don’t. Fair enough. That’s how this, and all other threads work.

Winifredgoose · 08/07/2021 20:47

It is of course unreasonable. However, as a mother of a child who has allergies, I have seen it can make others very anxious. My child has not had many awful experiences, but I know parents, who having seen their child nearly die on multiple occasions, are very anxious. The anxiety can lead them to make unreasonable demands on others, but it comes from a place of deep, and mostly reasonable fear.
Try and be kind, but ultimately they can't control your life.

CambsAlways · 08/07/2021 20:48

Nothing would stop me getting a dog if I wanted one, it’s nothing to do with you the fact the neighbours child has a allergy put up high fence and allow your dog outside when you see fits,

lynsey91 · 08/07/2021 20:48

@Womencanlift

Sorry I thought this was an opinion forum not a let’s all agree with the OP forum. I have read the thread, focusing on the OPs as that is where the detail is.

I personally think the OP is BU others don’t. Fair enough. That’s how this, and all other threads work.

So you believe that the child is so allergic that she will be ill from whatever floating over, through, under or whatever the 6 FOOT fence AND hedge?

How then can she possibly go to school. Oh that's right because the school have a strict rule that no one who goes there can have a dog. What school would even think of making that rule? What parent, teacher, cleaner etc would abide by such a ridiculous rule?

My local school is very small but I know for a fact that a large number of the pupils have dogs or have relatives that have dogs.

You can disagree with the OP but in all honesty that makes you as crazy as the neighbours

SilenceOfTheNaans · 08/07/2021 20:51

I really want to know the other rules.

OP if she reads this she knows it's her anyway. Spill please 🙏

lynsey91 · 08/07/2021 20:51

OP how big is the school this child attends? Because if there are more than maybe 5 pupils and 2 teachers there is absolute zero chance of them having a rule of no dogs for staff or pupils. Even with that small number they would be unlikely to make such a strict rule and, even if they did, what would be the likelihood of parents and staff agreeing and abiding by it?

There is absolutely no chance that this is true about the school

Barbie222 · 08/07/2021 20:52

I've got a severe allergy to cats, but even I can see this is batshit. If their child is this allergic, they would have had to move to the back of beyond by now in any case.

EL8888 · 08/07/2021 20:52

@TSSDNCOP exactly, it’s impossible to police and how can the police enforce it. For example my auntie would sometimes pick me up from school and she had a dog. Could l not get in her car with her and the dog?

Good on you for putting your cars back on the drive. The whole flavour of it is very bullying and controlling. Their list of demands are crackers and unreasonable. The quicker they get used to you having a normal life, the better

Henryhoover12 · 08/07/2021 20:53

I am trying my hardest to give all the information so that this is not a biased post but from both perspectives so you could help me decide who is BU.

-the child does go to school, they have told us there are restrictions in place ( I presume not a blanket rule that nobody can own a dog but more that she’s in a class with people who don’t own a dog and the teacher doesn’t) however the child has been in the garden every single day so whether that means they’ve pulled her out or class I don’t know.

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 08/07/2021 20:58

@Henryhoover12

Honestly I know it sounds mental but we were just so fearful of falling out with them and having nightmare neighbours, their whole family living in the cul de sac added to that. It’ was also a case of stuff slowly being added to the list and as we had a very good relationship we never guessed it. But yes that will mostly end.

I think going forward I’m probably going to wait a couple of days and see if the mum tries to approach us, she could clearly tell she has shocked and pissed me off when she shouted (also someone earlier mentioned she was more worried about shouting then getting the child inside which speaks volumes) if she approaches me and apologises I will accept her apology but tell her the list will be changing.

If she does not come to apologise I will drop her a text that from next week (will give her time to sort stuff out if need be) that the list won’t be followed.

So she shouted at you, rather than rush to get the child inside. If this is the case, she’s exaggerating.

Was the person, who died a relation of theirs? If this is the case, the family seem to think not only do they get the cash for the sale of the property but also what happens to the house and new occupants. You’ll only ever be an outsider. I do hope this isn’t your dream home and actually a stepping stone.

I agree with those posters, who said the family should have clubbed together to pay for your property and thus dictate what happens to it.

Bargebill19 · 08/07/2021 20:58

Em if she that allergic, shouldn’t she have been isolating at home for the past 18 months?

RampantIvy · 08/07/2021 21:00

I admit to have only read the OP's updates, so please forgive me if this has already been said - DD's is very allergic to cats. The letter from the GP said her allergy to cats is "off the scale". However, being in the garden with next door's cat doesn't affect her. As long as she doesn't touch the cat she is fine, so I'm struggling to believe that the dog being in the garden, and separated from next door by a hedge and a fence, is going to trigger an allergic reaction.

lynsey91 · 08/07/2021 21:01

@Henryhoover12

I am trying my hardest to give all the information so that this is not a biased post but from both perspectives so you could help me decide who is BU.

-the child does go to school, they have told us there are restrictions in place ( I presume not a blanket rule that nobody can own a dog but more that she’s in a class with people who don’t own a dog and the teacher doesn’t) however the child has been in the garden every single day so whether that means they’ve pulled her out or class I don’t know.

Ok so a whole class of children who don't have a dog. Unlikely but maybe possible. Plus a teacher who doesn't have a dog. Quite possible.

BUT if the child is so allergic that even a wooden fence and a hedge can't stop whatever attacking her then just being in a building (i.e. school) where there are people who have dogs or have been in contact with dogs would make her ill. Very ill I would think. Staff and pupils walk around the school building and certainly if they have (or have been in contact with) a dog that moults they will have some fur on their clothes which will likely make it's way on to floors, walls, chairs etc etc

Lovemusic33 · 08/07/2021 21:02

I have never heard of anyone having allergy so bad (of dogs) that they can’t be in a classroom with people that own dogs. It’s not like a peanut allergy?

I have allergy to rabbits, can’t go near them without my eyes streaming, sneezing and my throat feeling lumpy. My neighbour has rabbits that are kept right near the fence, I have never thought about approaching them about it (well, I have but I wouldn’t), I stay away from that side of the garden as much as I can.

Maybe offer to put up a solid tall fence?

KurtWilde · 08/07/2021 21:02

But children in school don't just mix with their own class. There's assembly and lunch/play time. Not to mention home time when the entire school and parents would be around this child. I'm calling bullshit.

warmandtoasty2day · 08/07/2021 21:03

if these were my neighbours i'd be ignoring their stupid lists.

CarnationCat · 08/07/2021 21:09

Wtf. Ignore them. It is your house and your garden. Enjoy your garden. Let your dog out whenever you want.

Their child's allergy is not your issue. They should have lived somewhere rural with no other houses around if it is that severe. They cannot expect you to not live your life because of where they've chosen to live.

I can't believe how you've pandered to them already tbh. Stop that now!!

SealHouse · 08/07/2021 21:09

@missingholland

This discussion has been the maddest I have seen on Mumsnet thus far. WTAF.

Human lives trump dog lives. No exceptions. To suggest that a pet means as much to someone as their (only) child to its parents is completely out of order. Despite what we say, 'fur babies' are not the same as human babies. A dog cannot be equated with a child, no matter how much its owner (not its parent!) loves it. You can purchase (even directly select) a dog at any stage of your life. (The Queen alone has had dozens and dozens of them.) You cannot go out and just 'get' a new child.

I grew up with a dog. But if I had to chose between the dog and the human family members, I would chose the humans without a second thought. In fact, almost everyone in their right mind would. In WWII, my grandfather's family, who were occupied by the Nazis at the time, had no food. With a heavy heart they slaughtered the family's pets. They didn't consider cannibalising a child.

If my neighbour had told me their child was severely allergic, I would not have bought a dog. Even if I had always wanted one. It is clear from the OP's comments that this is a serious allergy, and not 'played up'. Her parents (and entire family) have consciously created a 'safe space' for her to grow up and play in, and this safe space has now come under threat, because of OP's lifelong 'dog dream'. Of course the parents are anxious, the new neighbours have just massive amped up the danger level in the one area of the child's life where they thought they had completely safeguarded her.

Plenty easy for people to say 'they should move to detached/more land'. OP already wrote that the gardens are decently sized. Not every family has the money for a bigger place. In addition, for a girl who sounds very isolated already from others, are you really suggesting to cut off even more ties? Her family live around her dog-less for a purpose.

Also kind of cheap to say 'she should stay indoors'. We would call that child abuse in any other circumstance, but interesting to know that seems to be acceptable to so many PPs when it comes to inconveniencing a dog (who really doesn't care where it plays and does its business).

For those saying disbelievingly 'she wouldn't be able to go anywhere?': that is the whole point. This child does not have an alternative to her garden. It is clear from OP's writing that her world is very, very small, and her life very restricted. Just because you haven't ever come across someone with such a severe allergy, doesn't mean it can't exist.

In terms of OP's suggestion that you never know what you are going to get with a child, it is clear from PP's comments that having a child with an insanely rare and severe allergy is not a thought that comes up in most people. I don't think this is an argument at all, OP. This is clearly an extreme situation. If we had to take all those eventualities into account when deciding on pregnancy, nobody would procreate anymore.

Of course they cannot legally 'force' the OP to not buy a dog and leave it in her own garden. But I think, morally, what OP is doing is wrong. (And I am sorry, OP, you sound nice, but I seriously think you are morally in the wrong here, even if you are legally in the right.) Imagine being in their shoes. I would have been deeply frustrated, too, especially as you got along previously. Why would a 'friend' consciously endanger your child? Even if it is the smallest risk, why would you add another stone to their already heavy burden?

I think that this debate has clearly highlighted that according to the average Mumsnet user, Britain's two sacred pillars, personal property and canine lives, should be protected at all cost. Even if it is an innocent little girl's health and wellbeing that is at stake.

@missingholland. Thank you for this post. I've been reading this thread with my chin on the floor. I hadn't even been able formulate a post, I've been so shocked at the callous disregard shown by most posters on this thread for a child's life. The bonkers prioritising of the 'rights' of a dog over a human life. WTF is wrong with some people. And for all those who don't believe that such severe allergies exist, what proof do you want - a dead child?
Henryhoover12 · 08/07/2021 21:10

I am aware that the incident that resulted in her being in hospital over Christmas was because a teacher covering them had been in contact with a dog. I don’t know if that story is true but I defiantly know she was in hospital. Actually starting to connect the dots the little girl has been home always since then so maybe they’ve pulled her out of school after that incident

OP posts:
LST · 08/07/2021 21:10

The plot thickens

Flowerlane · 08/07/2021 21:11

Well done for getting your lives back by moving the cars on to the drive you own!

If they protest tell them to move their car.

BlowDryRat · 08/07/2021 21:11

On the one hand, it was selfish of you to knowingly get the one pet whose existence in close proximity would threaten the life of a neighbouring child. Please tell me you at least got a poodle or some other hypoallergenic breed...

On the other hand, the 'rules' are nuts. If they cared that much then the family should have rallied round and bought the house when it was up for sale. As it is, the drastic solution here is for them to swap houses with another of their family members on the same road and be sandwiched by other family members' houses.

Runningupthecurtains · 08/07/2021 21:12

Suggest to the neighbours that they swap houses with the family member who's property is furthest away from yours.

BusyLizzie61 · 08/07/2021 21:13

@RampantIvy

I admit to have only read the OP's updates, so please forgive me if this has already been said - DD's is very allergic to cats. The letter from the GP said her allergy to cats is "off the scale". However, being in the garden with next door's cat doesn't affect her. As long as she doesn't touch the cat she is fine, so I'm struggling to believe that the dog being in the garden, and separated from next door by a hedge and a fence, is going to trigger an allergic reaction.
Airborne reactions that cause anaphylaxis are not unusual.

I'm very allergic to cats, but would have to be in an enclosed space to be impacted. However, smoke that spears to be some distance away has a huge impact on me. You can imagine my life with bonfires, babqs and chimneas.

I don't disbelieve the extent of the issue, but also see the op's viewpoint, though going from obeying all to none seems unnecessarily harsh and cruel, when she's apparently been "happy" to do so for the last year!

@Henryhoover12
You have a drive, does it have a grassed area? Could you create a toileting area in the front garden? To try and meet them half way.

GreenCrayon · 08/07/2021 21:14

And for all those who don't believe that such severe allergies exist, what proof do you want - a dead child?

No one is asking for that outcome but isn't it interesting that the husbands can have a face to face discussion where presumably the OPs husband is covered in dog hair and yet the child cannot be in a garden with 2 hedges and a 6 foot high fence between her and the dog for risk of a stray hair floating over... Hmm