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AIBU- Dog vs neighbours allergic child !

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Henryhoover12 · 08/07/2021 14:45

Please can someone tell us if we’re being unreasonable or our neighbours are. We moved to a new house and really got on with our neighbours they are very lovely and we spend lots of time speaking to them. We mentioned that we were purchasing a dog In which they had mortified looks on their faces and explained their DC is extremely allergic to dogs (e.g can’t be in class with anyone who owns a dog etc has been in hospital) we kind of brushed it off and said we can speak about it closer to the time.

After that everytime we bumped into them they kept asking if we “changed our minds” which we found so awkward but in the end we told them not getting a dog wasn’t an option is we have always wanted one but are happy to work things out so it’s safe for their child. They took this badly and didn’t speak to us for a while. Closer to us picking up the dog we went around and asked what they would like us to do to ensure safety for their child.

One of the (long list of) rules was that we didn’t let the dog out while their child was in the garden. This seemed fine at the time until we realised their child is ALWAYS in the garden. And I mean always they have a little treehouse type thing that they play in so come rain and sunshine they are out there. At first we tried to play ball like if our dog wanted to wee we would walk him to the park 10 minutes but now it’s just getting ridiculous so we have started letting him go to wee when it’s raining outside because we really can’t be asked to walk 20 minutes just for that. The last time we did the mum came our and shouted at me saying I’m going to kill her child. AIBU to think that our dog has every much right to use our garden as the child? Our poor dog loves to be outside but is trapped inside because of this and I’m starting to think it’s really unfair

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RuthW · 08/07/2021 16:51

I used to be very allergic to dogs. If I went in a house I could tell if one had been there a week earlier. I'm still allergic but not as bad.

Let you dog out. Your neighbour is mad. Outside it won't make any difference. If they are worried, keep the child in.

SleepingStandingUp · 08/07/2021 16:51

If every other house is family you'd have thought they'd have put together to try and buy this one, even if they then rented it out as per fre3

LolaSmiles · 08/07/2021 16:52

Can’t believe the selfishness on this thread.
It’s one thing if you don’t believe the severity of the allergy, but for those that do believe it could kill the child and still think “keep the dog anyway, it’s not your problem”… words fail me.

I believe allergies can be severe.

I don't believe that someone claiming such a severe allergy that they feel entitled to dictating how their neighbours live their life would send their child to the giant mixing pot that is a school.

I take DC to grandparents' for childcare and I'd be telling school exactly what I thought if they seriously felt entitled to tell me my family childcare arrangements had to change because grandparents are dog owners. As a member of staff, I'm not sure my employer could tell me I'm banned from owning a dog because one family in school have decided that any contact with anyone who has dog contact will kill their child.

I also think the family are bullshitting regarding the severity as there's no way school is entirely free from anyone who comes into contact with a dog. Are they telling parents that they must never go to the park on the way home for fear of dog contact? Are they telling parents who can provide wraparound care because one family think their child will die if all other families don't jump and meet their demands? I doubt it.

Horst · 08/07/2021 16:52

I don’t know the size or layout of your garden but could as a compromise for everyone section off a part for the dog? Like as far away as possibly from their garden small fence with low hedge type so catch whatever is air bourne ontop of them being further away plus the original fence and hedging?

Screenburn · 08/07/2021 16:52

I can understand they are worried (I have severe anaphylactic allergies and DH worries about me enormously) but I limit what I do because of them: I don’t expect others to limit their lives to accommodate me. You wouldn’t ask a restaurant that normally sold nuts to stop doing so just for you, or for a local council to remove all the trees in the park.

Anaphylaxis from dog hair does not exist. Anaphylaxis from dander/saliva does, although vanishingly rarely, but the child not coming into direct contact with the dog will eliminate such a risk. The neighbours sound histrionic and they need help with their anxiety to help them cope and to help their child live as unrestricted a life as possible.

ohfuckitall · 08/07/2021 16:53

Its not about the dog though it's about their belief that they should be able to dictate how their neighbours live their lives

I used to live in a double upper flat. I remember describing on here how we went above and beyond to be considerate to our neighbour's below, kids not allowed to wear shoes in flat, not allowed to run or play rideabout toys, not allowed downstairs before a certain time, sent upstairs early. I was told quite sternly by MN that this was not above or beyond but just what should be expected.
Yet this was our private home and being considerate to our neighbours did impact on our daily lives and family life, we stopped playing the sort of family games we had before they moved in.

Where neighbour noise nuisance is being discussed I do not see these cries of ' its your right - they cannot tell you what to do in your home. Carry on making the noise and living as you want'

And I find the attitude of ' they took the risk in having a child' or 'its sad for them but they can't dictate your life' really quite horrible, if I am honest.

I would not do something that caused risked a child's life or health. And regard that as just being basically decent. I am genuinely surprised that so many people think their 'rights' trump a child's life or health.

Suzi888 · 08/07/2021 16:54

So they’re child literally cannot go anywhere then. Ever….. Hmm in case someone has a dog? I can’t believe the allergy is that bad. I’m not saying it’s not bad, but what they’re saying is ridiculous.
They’re being completely unreasonable and I wouldn’t let them dictate my life to me to that degree. Install 2m fencing and live your life.

missingholland · 08/07/2021 16:54

This discussion has been the maddest I have seen on Mumsnet thus far. WTAF.

Human lives trump dog lives. No exceptions. To suggest that a pet means as much to someone as their (only) child to its parents is completely out of order. Despite what we say, 'fur babies' are not the same as human babies. A dog cannot be equated with a child, no matter how much its owner (not its parent!) loves it. You can purchase (even directly select) a dog at any stage of your life. (The Queen alone has had dozens and dozens of them.) You cannot go out and just 'get' a new child.

I grew up with a dog. But if I had to chose between the dog and the human family members, I would chose the humans without a second thought. In fact, almost everyone in their right mind would. In WWII, my grandfather's family, who were occupied by the Nazis at the time, had no food. With a heavy heart they slaughtered the family's pets. They didn't consider cannibalising a child.

If my neighbour had told me their child was severely allergic, I would not have bought a dog. Even if I had always wanted one. It is clear from the OP's comments that this is a serious allergy, and not 'played up'. Her parents (and entire family) have consciously created a 'safe space' for her to grow up and play in, and this safe space has now come under threat, because of OP's lifelong 'dog dream'. Of course the parents are anxious, the new neighbours have just massive amped up the danger level in the one area of the child's life where they thought they had completely safeguarded her.

Plenty easy for people to say 'they should move to detached/more land'. OP already wrote that the gardens are decently sized. Not every family has the money for a bigger place. In addition, for a girl who sounds very isolated already from others, are you really suggesting to cut off even more ties? Her family live around her dog-less for a purpose.

Also kind of cheap to say 'she should stay indoors'. We would call that child abuse in any other circumstance, but interesting to know that seems to be acceptable to so many PPs when it comes to inconveniencing a dog (who really doesn't care where it plays and does its business).

For those saying disbelievingly 'she wouldn't be able to go anywhere?': that is the whole point. This child does not have an alternative to her garden. It is clear from OP's writing that her world is very, very small, and her life very restricted. Just because you haven't ever come across someone with such a severe allergy, doesn't mean it can't exist.

In terms of OP's suggestion that you never know what you are going to get with a child, it is clear from PP's comments that having a child with an insanely rare and severe allergy is not a thought that comes up in most people. I don't think this is an argument at all, OP. This is clearly an extreme situation. If we had to take all those eventualities into account when deciding on pregnancy, nobody would procreate anymore.

Of course they cannot legally 'force' the OP to not buy a dog and leave it in her own garden. But I think, morally, what OP is doing is wrong. (And I am sorry, OP, you sound nice, but I seriously think you are morally in the wrong here, even if you are legally in the right.) Imagine being in their shoes. I would have been deeply frustrated, too, especially as you got along previously. Why would a 'friend' consciously endanger your child? Even if it is the smallest risk, why would you add another stone to their already heavy burden?

I think that this debate has clearly highlighted that according to the average Mumsnet user, Britain's two sacred pillars, personal property and canine lives, should be protected at all cost. Even if it is an innocent little girl's health and wellbeing that is at stake.

SleepingStandingUp · 08/07/2021 16:56

@Ugzbugz

Dogs must walk past their house everyday? Probably wee against their car or brush against it? They must encounter dogs or people who have been near dogs everyday? What about in shops and guide dogs etc?
They live in a cul de sac, how many people walk their dogs round a random cul de sac? And that's out the front, much further away to the rear garden
Flamingmango · 08/07/2021 16:59

It's weird that you don't seem to be considering the reason their child is always in the garden with an amazing play park is because they can't really take her out because there are dogs there.

I do think they have been rude to you and I can see it's hard but honestly if it was me I would probably be taking the dog to a park in the day and just letting them out after 8pm or whenever the child goes to bed.

FlowerPig · 08/07/2021 16:59

Wow, you've been a lot nicer than I would be, if someone tried to tell me my dogs couldn't be in their own garden I'd laugh in their face and tell them to fuck off (or maybe if do it the other way around) even if it was for the same reasons your neighbours have given.
They need to acknowledge and accept that they can't control things outside of their property (nor should you allow them to make you feel guilty/shit). They either need to move somewhere very remote or they need to keep her indoors when your dog is outdoors.
Or maybe they could cover the garden in bubble wrap then no dander could float over the fence.
Poor kid, I do feel for her, but it's not your problem and you mustn't allow it to rule your life, they're totally unreasonable.

GreenCrayon · 08/07/2021 17:00

For those saying disbelievingly 'she wouldn't be able to go anywhere?': that is the whole point. This child does not have an alternative to her garden.

And yet despite having an allergy so severe her parents see it as an acceptable risk for her to attend school with hundreds of other children and staff some of whom will have dogs.

Yet they are focusing on this one dog which cannot come into contact with their child and which is behind a hedge and a 6 ft fence when outside.

If this child's allergies are as severe as they claim their idea of risk assessment is exceptionally messed up.

LittleMG · 08/07/2021 17:02

I actually think this would make me want to love house

Lilibet2022 · 08/07/2021 17:03

One of the (long list of) rules was that we didn’t let the dog out while their child was in the garden. This seemed fine at the time until we realised their child is ALWAYS in the garden.

Nope. Totally unreasonable of the neighbours for them to request this IMO. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of the neighbours DCs allergies but I am speaking as a mother of a DC who is allergic to dogs and cats (they're gutted they've always wanted one and we'll work on trying to get them a safe pet one day). Not sniffles type allergic but a stay in hospital on oxygen allergic. Discovered when I took them to a kitty cafe for their birthday some years back. Blush
Having said that their consultant did actually say there's less risk to them if they come into contact with them outside and I'm assuming your neighbours have fences etc to minimise risk of it coming into contact with their DC?

Soubriquet · 08/07/2021 17:03

They are absolutely exaggerating it

Their child may be allergic but not “can’t even be outdoors in a different garden” allergic

Let your dog outn

Missreginafalange · 08/07/2021 17:03

They sound nuts

However, if the kid is at school all day are you in a position to let your dog out then, so at least you are free from being shouted at (that's presuming you are in) although when a dog needs a week/Poo you need to let it out regardless of time of day.

PurpleOkapi · 08/07/2021 17:04

I don't think the comparison to a flat really works here. Yes, the upstairs neighbors have the potential to disturb the downstairs ones more than vice versa, but it does go both ways. Ideally, it's understood by all that those sharing walls and floors with their neighbors need to keep it down to a dull roar past a certain hour. At least in theory, everyone keeps it down, and everyone benefits by not being disturbed by noisy neighbors.

But here, it's completely one-sided. This one couple has decided that no one in the neighborhood is allowed to have a dog, full stop. No one is telling them to do anything, and no one except them benefits from this. There are plenty of housing arrangements where dogs aren't allowed. Instead of living in one, they chose to live in a place where there's nothing to stop any neighbor who wants a dog from getting one (or ten). They made the choice, and they're going to have to live with the consequences, which may include keeping their daughter inside if they believe it's unsafe for her to play outdoors.

WhereYouLeftIt · 08/07/2021 17:04

"... their DC is extremely allergic to dogs (e.g can’t be in class with anyone who owns a dog etc"

I'm intrigued as to how the school manages this. No matter what "very strict things" they have put in place, the only way I can see it working is if the girl is schooled in isolation or with a very small number of classmates, and never allowed into the playground where she could come into contact with dog-owning children (there MUST be some!).

crystaltips98 · 08/07/2021 17:05

I don't like dogs at all but they are being unreasonable! I doubt they can avoid all dogs. Having said that some breeds (poodle like) carry less allegens as aposed to shaggy long haired things

starfishmummy · 08/07/2021 17:05

@Henryhoover12

Also - the whole cul de sac if filled with their family members- e.g both sets of grandparents live here. Uncle and just family across the road so really feels like we’re hated by everyone at the minute!
Even without the hate, I would not want to live there!! Is moving again an option? Before you end up with a neighbour dispute on record. Either them complaining about you or you having to complain about harassment.
Thefaceofboe · 08/07/2021 17:06

I can’t believe 11% think you’re BU!

Winter2020 · 08/07/2021 17:06

This sounds a terrible predicament. So far you have gone above and beyond anything that could be expected. I was going to suggest that you ask them if they would like the odd or even numbers on the clock so each hour it is your hour to have the dog out or theirs to have the kid out .....but I'm sat in the living room with the patio doors open and can't imagine not being able to do that on a warm day (your dog would run out obviously). So I think personally I would move (and I have read your posts and appreciate the stress of moving) but I couldn't live with either the restriction or the bad feeling if I ignored them. In fact I would be desperate to move ASAP.

If you can come to a compromise you could remind them that any new buyers of your house could also have a dog or even multiple dogs.

KurtWilde · 08/07/2021 17:06

@WhereYouLeftIt

"... their DC is extremely allergic to dogs (e.g can’t be in class with anyone who owns a dog etc"

I'm intrigued as to how the school manages this. No matter what "very strict things" they have put in place, the only way I can see it working is if the girl is schooled in isolation or with a very small number of classmates, and never allowed into the playground where she could come into contact with dog-owning children (there MUST be some!).

That's what I was thinking too. How would that even work? So the families of the children she shares a class with are never allowed to own a dog either?

I've read some batshit things on MN over the last 12 years but this trumps all of them I think.

Clymene · 08/07/2021 17:07

This thread is bonkers. Can someone who thinks the OP should get rid of their dog to save the life of this tragic little girl (daily Mail sad face) explain how she goes to school?

covidandborisandworld · 08/07/2021 17:07

Jesus how will child ever love a life if they are that allergic. Anyone in the street or shops or class could Have a dog living with them??!!

That's mental if true.

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