To find these headlines on the bbc website disturbing?

[malificent7]

So apparently the unvaccinated will be treated " differently."
I have both jabs, I agree with vaccination and think some reasons against vaccination are unscientific but I think it is very disturbing that our bodily autonomy and right to choose is being eroded.
Ok...I get that pregnant and elderly people should not be protected but if they are double jabbed what is the problem with coming into contact with the unvaccinated?
One of my closest mates had an extreme reaction to the vaccine...I had no issues at all but I dont feel comfortable with this.
I am no conspiracy theorist either.

Which headlines?

You are looking at it the wrong way.

People who had double-jabs will have a few shortcuts. It's not the non-jabs who are penalised! It makes sense if you look at it.

There's been talk of that for a while now - for example, people that have had both jabs being able to travel abroad without having to self isolated. There has been talk of people working in care homes needing to be vaccinated.

In New York iirc, there was a high profile gig recently (The Boss I think) where only people that had had both shots (or the single shot Johnson& Johnson) could attend.

With things opening up so quickly, it's not much of a surprise. They want normality but they don't want the NHS to suddenly be overwhelmed.

What the health secretary is saying now? That those who are double vaccinated won't have to follow the rules that nobody is going to have to follow after the 19th?

This is from the article I assume you are talking about.

"Asked whether he would end the need to self-isolate for those who have had both vaccine doses, Mr Javid said: "It makes sense because of the vaccines, and the way they're working, that the people that are double vaccinated are treated differently than the people that are not, and that is what I will be saying in Parliament today.""

Why is it disturbing?

A double vaccinated person is obviously less at risk and less of a risk to others than an unvaccinated person.

What's the problem?

If you're fully vaccinated your chance of catching and spreading covid are significantly reduced. So looking at it another way it would be quite unfair to force people who were fully vaccinated to continue isolate.

~the government are talking about changing the self isolation rules for double jabbed people - it's inevitable, isn't it? I thought that was the whole point of the vac programme, the chances of catching Covid in passing from someone when fully vaccinated is slim. Therefore I shouldn't have to self isolate in the same way someone who'd unvaccinated might need to.
Not sure how they're gong to police it though.
There is autonomy, you can choose to get the vaccine. And yes - there are a some people who can't get it, like my BIL, for medical reasons but he pretty much is in isolation now anyway as catching Covid will be a death sentence for him.

Makes sense to me given the decreased risk when vaccinated

"Asked whether he would end the need to self-isolate for those who have had both vaccine doses, Mr Javid said: "It makes sense because of the vaccines, and the way they're working, that the people that are double vaccinated are treated differently than the people that are not, and that is what I will be saying in Parliament today.""

This seems logical to me, though I am slightly confused - is he talking about changes now, or after 19 July?

@akajwnd beat me to it!

It’s coming in from 16th August

The best chance for all of us, as a community, is to have everyone who can get vaccinated to do so, and give us the herd immunity that we need to open up for everyone.
I have no sympathy for those who choose not to get the jab for non-medical reasons. If they don't get to go to events, or the pub or wherever then that's their choice.

I find it disturbing OP. It's basically making people reveal part of their health status - e.g. if someone at work has tested positive and you're contacted by Test & Trace - your employer and colleagues will know if you're unvaccinated as you will have to self-isolate.

I'm not an antivaxxer. I've had many vaccines in the past. But I haven't had the Covid vaccine (yet). I've actually booked it for next week, having spent most of the night worrying about it. I have no idea if I will be able to go through with it. I feel forced into it, and my reasons for not having had it so far are sound - I've already had Covid without any problems, I have family history of blood clots, I've suffered several extreme reactions (anaphylaxis to medication).

I am a civil libertarian and I feel like I've walked into a dystopian nightmare, to be honest. All my colleagues at work are absolutely terrified of Covid and constantly talk about how selfish anyone is who hasn't had the vaccine, and to have this tacitly reinforced by the government feels like such a kick in the teeth when I actually caught Covid while looking after key worker children during the lockdown

I'm slightly uncomfortable with people being treated differently because of choices regarding their health too, but I don't understand what difference it will make if there's no isolation for contacts after 19th anyway? Presumably you still isolate if you're ill, regardless of the vaccine?

I want to know why the self-isolation rules aren't being changed for those who have recently had Covid, as well as those who are double-vaxxed. I mean, having Covid gives you antibodies too, even if they don't last for ever! I still have them (I'm testing myself monthly).

Other countries are allowing tourists to evade quarantine if they are double vexed OR if they can prove that they have recently recovered from Covid. Why isn't this being discussed in the UK?

@Backhills Self-isolation only ends if you are double-jabbed, by the looks of things. If you've had both jabs by the 2nd August, then you won't need to isolate if you've come into contact with a positive case - you'll just need to take a test.

If the test is positive, you'll have to isolate as usual.

Under 18s are also exempt from self-isolation.

There has, so far, been no mention of self-isolation ending for people who haven't had both jabs.

And it's coming in on August 16th, rather than July 19th.

As long as children have the same freedoms as those who are double vaccinated.

I do find it slightly unfair that it's coming in from the 16th August as over 18s will not have had their second jab by then.

I'm 28, had first jab within two days of opening to my age group, and my second jab is booked in for 27th August.

It makes perfect sense to me.

I am at less risk and pose less risk to the rest of the population having had my two jabs.

I have absolutely no sympathy for those who feel penalised for making the opposite choice ( unless for good sound medical reasons)

This:

"People who had double-jabs will have a few shortcuts. It's not the non-jabs who are penalised! It makes sense if you look at it." @malificent7

@Sirzy

Makes sense to me given the decreased risk when vaccinated

Agreed.

It may make sense but the phrasing IS disturbing. " Will be treated differently." Words are powerful and manipulative. So now people who are not double jabbed have being " treated differently " to look forward to. A bit like the way some minority groups are treated by the home office.

Join the club, you get this. But I don’t want to join the club because this this this. Ok, we’ll, you’ll have to keep doing xyz to be able to do the same as people in the club.

No biggy

It is disturbing OP, and I am also uncomfortable with unvaccinated people being treated differently. This would be the same regardless of whether I chose to have the covid vaccination or not. It really doesn't sit well with me.