To find these headlines on the bbc website disturbing?

[malificent7]

So apparently the unvaccinated will be treated " differently."
I have both jabs, I agree with vaccination and think some reasons against vaccination are unscientific but I think it is very disturbing that our bodily autonomy and right to choose is being eroded.
Ok...I get that pregnant and elderly people should not be protected but if they are double jabbed what is the problem with coming into contact with the unvaccinated?
One of my closest mates had an extreme reaction to the vaccine...I had no issues at all but I dont feel comfortable with this.
I am no conspiracy theorist either.

@Ylvamoon

You will be treated differently BECAUSE you need to be protected and others need to be protected from you.

I really don’t know what you were expecting? Reality isn't always pretty.

I find it worrying that so many people think YABU tbh.

Because it’s like if you are vaccinated, you are safe, you’re not risking other people’s life etc…

That’s not the truth with the delta variant though. You can get ill, you can die and more importantly you can still transmit covid to others…

So it’s not a case that ONLY unvaccinated people are ‘a danger to others’…

You will be treated differently BECAUSE you need to be protected and others need to be protected from you.

Very well put. Why should others be put at risk because of your choices?

But vaccinated people are much less at risk and much less of a risk.

Many countries don't allow entry unless you have the relevant vaccinations, and that has nothing to do with Covid. Same principle. It's fine.

People who had the jabs will have a few less restrictions. THEY are treated differently, and it makes sense.

So it’s not a case that ONLY unvaccinated people are ‘a danger to others’…

Nobody is saying that. But if you're unvaccinated, you are much more likely to become seriously ill, need hospital treatment and spread it around to others.

*I find it worrying that so many people think YABU tbh.

Because it’s like if you are vaccinated, you are safe, you’re not risking other people’s life etc…

That’s not the truth with the delta variant though. You can get ill, you can die and more importantly you can still transmit covid to others…

So it’s not a case that ONLY unvaccinated people are ‘a danger to others’…*

Good lord - your chances of doing all of that are significantly reduced by having the vaccine though - that being the entire point of getting jabbed!

HOW can people not understand that?

Imagine if the govt made a law tomorrow saying that women who have choosen to have abortions can not have the same rights as ones who didn't.

Abortion is still legal however there will be consequences if you make that choice.

What a grim and distasteful comparison.

If Jane down the road has an abortion, she's not putting Jim at works' life at risk whereas if Jim refuses to have the vaccine, he's putting everyone he meets at increased risk of illness and death.

Whether it's fair or not, with cases rising this had to happen otherwise there would be no one at work.

@mbosnz - agreed. Outside of work I'm taking care to socially distance etc. If I'd been in contact with a positive case, the last thing I'd want to do would be to pass it on to someone very vulnerable. I'm worried about it making trouble for me at work (I work in a customer facing role so contact opportunities aplenty).

Honey12346

did you just compare catching covid with deciding to have an abortion? Are you quite well?

The work thing is bollocks
If your work company had a conference somewhere you needed a vaccine for, then you would sure as fuck have to explain why you couldn’t go.

So much ridiculously emotive language here.
People who have been double vaccinated get some proportionate relaxing of restrictions in line with the choice they made as they are likely to be less of a transmission risk.

Those who wilfully chose to be unvaccinated based not on medical contraindication or mental health barriers will just have to accept the consequences of their choice.

"HOW can people not understand that?"

I think they do, but don't want to admit it. Or there's something wrong with their understanding. Just want to believe a narrative that suits their choice.

HOW can people not understand that?

People just like to whinge, I think! Hearing grown adults going "Wahhh, it's not FAIR!" just reminds me of a petulant toddler who's been told they can't have ice-cream for dinner, lol.

@kindaclassy

Honey12346

did you just compare catching covid with deciding to have an abortion? Are you quite well?

She did. Worrying, isn't it!

Why do people who don't want vaccinations result to such extreme examples. If she doesn't want it then don't have it but those that do may have a few bonuses for protecting others/themselves - what's the big deal.

@roguetomato

"HOW can people not understand that?"

I think they do, but don't want to admit it. Or there's something wrong with their understanding. Just want to believe a narrative that suits their choice.

I agree. The wilfully unvaccinated don't like the fact that consequences are beginning to emerge so they're whining about it.

I quite like the term 'wilfully unvaccinated', I'll have to try and use it

@warmfluffytowels

Imagine if the govt made a law tomorrow saying that women who have choosen to have abortions can not have the same rights as ones who didn't.

Abortion is still legal however there will be consequences if you make that choice.

What a grim and distasteful comparison.

If Jane down the road has an abortion, she's not putting Jim at works' life at risk whereas if Jim refuses to have the vaccine, he's putting everyone he meets at increased risk of illness and death.

But if Jim has the vaccine he is putting his life at risk. If someone wants to make the choice between prioritising their own health over others they should be allowed that choice without being denied freedoms that others who have made a different choice will.

We are literally creating a two tier society diving people based on the decisions they made over their own body. It's insane, tyrannical and dystopian.

If this was a headline in 2019 pertaining to the people who are not choosing to get the flu vaccine the responses in here would be much much different.

@5zeds

I think your objection to double vaccinated being treated differently to unvaccinated is ridiculous. The CV and CEV have been treated differently from the beginning. The disabled, markedly the learning disabled were originally told they would not be treated in hospital if they got Covid, presumably because they weren’t worth the oxygen. None of this has been fair, but I can assure you if you CHOOSE to be in a less safe group of course you will be treated differently. I’d rather you didn’t cut my hair, be my dentist or Dr or teach my children, because you are more likely to Costco it and spread it.

This government test the waters every time. They've been treating SEN and CV people like dirt for a very long time. They've cut off the safe routes for asylum seekers (what sort of people do that??). They're pushing the boundaries all the time. Just what will people put up with, provided the injustices are not directed at them personally.....

The UK has a populist nationalist government, and in recent years, there's been a right-wing coup. The axe has convinced the trees that even though he's chopping them down systematically, the fact that his handle is made of wood means that he's one of them, really.... so they applaud him, and cheer, and vote his party back into govt.

@snowballer

*I find it worrying that so many people think YABU tbh.

Because it’s like if you are vaccinated, you are safe, you’re not risking other people’s life etc…

That’s not the truth with the delta variant though. You can get ill, you can die and more importantly you can still transmit covid to others…

So it’s not a case that ONLY unvaccinated people are ‘a danger to others’…*

Good lord - your chances of doing all of that are significantly reduced by having the vaccine though - that being the entire point of getting jabbed!

HOW can people not understand that?

You don't need to be seriously ill to pass it on according to the government. Otherwise why have they kept children (who are largely unaffected by symptoms) away from 'granny' in case they pass it on and she gets ill.

@Takingabreakagain

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Oh my - did you just share a piece from a 'lockdown sceptic' oragnisation as evidence that vaccines don't reduce the change of transmission! Just WOW.

Try using some peer reviewed research instead!

@kindaclassy

Honey12346

did you just compare catching covid with deciding to have an abortion? Are you quite well?

No, I compared a bodily automony decision with another bodily autonomy decision. Are you quite well when you have to twist my words to prove a point?

People should be more worried about all the legislation they’re trying to sneak through

This is just rubbish headline grabbing. Make the proletariat not know what to look at.

@MargaretThatcherMilkSnatcher

Not everything in life can be kept private and personal and most things in people's private lives aren't really anybody else's business. But that's not how our society works, whether we like it or not. When your choices and actions directly affect others it is unreasonable to expect them to stay totally private.