To find these headlines on the bbc website disturbing?

[malificent7]

So apparently the unvaccinated will be treated " differently."
I have both jabs, I agree with vaccination and think some reasons against vaccination are unscientific but I think it is very disturbing that our bodily autonomy and right to choose is being eroded.
Ok...I get that pregnant and elderly people should not be protected but if they are double jabbed what is the problem with coming into contact with the unvaccinated?
One of my closest mates had an extreme reaction to the vaccine...I had no issues at all but I dont feel comfortable with this.
I am no conspiracy theorist either.

This is interesting timing as just today several posters starter claiming "if you're unvaccinated you can forget about holidays for a long time" when this is false as unvaccinated can travel right now with a negative test. I'm on holiday right now so I know.

These posters sound like paid shills to me tbh. The narrative seems to be in full swing.

So much "unfairness" in this. Agree with the PP, either get the jab or not and be happy with your decision.

What would be madness would be to make the already 50% of the country continue to isolate when they've been vaccinated, just to spare the hurt feelings of those who choose not to get it.

Also - life is rarely fair. Extraordinary how many people have got to adulthood without realising this.

I see both sides. On the one hand it seems like a sensible step to relax rules and to reduce the number of people having to self isolate unnecessarily. On a personal level (I've just turned down my second vaccine due to the severity of my reaction to the first), I'm upset as it feels like I'm being lumped together with the anti-vaxxers. I can see it causing trouble at work for me.

@landofgiants

I see both sides. On the one hand it seems like a sensible step to relax rules and to reduce the number of people having to self isolate unnecessarily. On a personal level (I've just turned down my second vaccine due to the severity of my reaction to the first), I'm upset as it feels like I'm being lumped together with the anti-vaxxers. I can see it causing trouble at work for me.

You haven't said what the reaction to the first was, but I had horrendous side effects from my first, but nothing from the second. Might be worth not writing it off completely.

@LadyPoison

It makes perfect sense to me.

I am at less risk and pose less risk to the rest of the population having had my two jabs.

I have absolutely no sympathy for those who feel penalised for making the opposite choice ( unless for good sound medical reasons)

Maybe they just don't want it Lady. Why should some one be forced to take an injection they don't want by having there freedoms taken away.

If some one told you that you had to get a chicken pox vaccine after actually having the virus before would you be ok with that? Would you be ok with not being able to fly out of the country unless you have the chicken pox vaccine? Would you be ok with feeling like ' well ive already had it I don't need it' and ^every one else around you saying "have the bloody chicken pox vaccine or stay at home forever'

Wouldn't you feel like you were being black mailed in to it? Forced in to it.

@landofgiants

I see both sides. On the one hand it seems like a sensible step to relax rules and to reduce the number of people having to self isolate unnecessarily. On a personal level (I've just turned down my second vaccine due to the severity of my reaction to the first), I'm upset as it feels like I'm being lumped together with the anti-vaxxers. I can see it causing trouble at work for me.

That is very hard for you, landofgiants. There's a huge difference between vaccine refusal out of 'choice', if you know what I mean, and being unable to have the vaccine because of allergic reaction and medical reasons. I have a friend in the States whose child was unable to have the usual immunisations because of his life threatening response to the first one, and the treatment she and this child had, and the hoops they had to jump through, was little short of appalling.

At the same time, because you cannot be fully vaccinated, it's important that your likelihood of contact is reduced for your sake, surely?

Yes it is absolutely chilling because we are being coerced into what we do with our own body in order to regain the same rights we had prior to March 2020.

Imagine if the govt made a law tomorrow saying that women who have choosen to have abortions can not have the same rights as ones who didn't.

Abortion is still legal however there will be consequences if you make that choice.

The entirety of mumsnet would agree that is chilling.

But somehow this is different.

@MilkTwoSugarsThanks

if someone at work has tested positive and you're contacted by Test & Trace - your employer and colleagues will know if you're unvaccinated as you will have to self-isolate.

And? If you have made a decision - own it. Why do you care if people know if you're vaccinated or not? Are you embarrassed by your choice?

No. but it's a private medical decision. I don't want to have to explain to my colleagues why I can't have the vaccine. It's none of their business. I don't want to know their reasons for having / not having it either - it's none of my business.

@Honey12346

This is interesting timing as just today several posters starter claiming "if you're unvaccinated you can forget about holidays for a long time" when this is false as unvaccinated can travel right now with a negative test. I'm on holiday right now so I know.

These posters sound like paid shills to me tbh. The narrative seems to be in full swing.

'Paid shills' 'narrative'

you sound like a 'cuntspiracy' theorists that has overdosed on the words used on YouTube to convince others that covid isn't real and it's a big con from MSM try some real science.

Maybe they just don't want it Lady. Why should some one be forced to take an injection they don't want by having there freedoms taken away.

Well, technically that group aren't having their freedoms taken away, it's the other group that are getting some back...

@AliceLivesHere

Well if the evidence suggests having vaccinations not only protects yourself but others and offers a reduced chance of catching the virus, a reduced chance of dying, a reduced chance of transmission to others and reduced symptoms then the people that have it are obviously able to do more (work with vulnerable people, travel to other countries). That's fair given they have done their bit for the community. The ones that can but won't just aren't being rewarded for helping others.

So does having, and recovering from, Covid and yet those of us who have had Covid recently are not being granted the same freedoms as those who have been vaccinated. How is that fair?

@Honey12346

This is interesting timing as just today several posters starter claiming "if you're unvaccinated you can forget about holidays for a long time" when this is false as unvaccinated can travel right now with a negative test. I'm on holiday right now so I know.

These posters sound like paid shills to me tbh. The narrative seems to be in full swing.

That depends where, some countries are still essential travel only unless you are double vaccinated. (France for example)

It’s very worrying that just because you don’t “ join a club” you are then prevented from living your life as you once did.
It isn’t a club where you miss out on a set of colouring pencils - you lose your freedom & the ability to keep your vaccination situation private from your employer.
Most people l know only had the jab to go on holiday!
Some have had all kinds of horrible side effects- but , you know - they’ll get their sun this year!
It isn’t done for the good of their neighbours - it’s done for themselves.
Just like those who choose for the moment to still wait and see how this all plays out.

But somehow this is different.

Yes, it is. It's the difference between public health and private medical decisions. Unless pregnancy has become a contagious condition with public health implications, comparing vaccines and abortions is a false equivalence.

Some of us took the risks and got vaccinated. Therefore we have a pay back for a risk taking which is a return to some normality for us and perks because we are less likely to infect others.

Thing is with risks some pay off some don't. Don't get vaccinated fine, your choice you made the risk assessment, I respect that, but don't complain about not winning the lottery when you never paid to play 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Honey12346

Yes it is absolutely chilling because we are being coerced into what we do with our own body in order to regain the same rights we had prior to March 2020.

Imagine if the govt made a law tomorrow saying that women who have choosen to have abortions can not have the same rights as ones who didn't.

Abortion is still legal however there will be consequences if you make that choice.

The entirety of mumsnet would agree that is chilling.

But somehow this is different.

Don't have it then. No one is making you. Just realise that a few jobs need people that woman up and take caring responsibility seriously. There are only a few differences to those that vaccinate and those that don't (care work/isolations being suggested and some countries might not accept unvaccinated to protect their population).

It's really not that chilling at all

It won't be for over a month, and by the time most who wants to be vaccinated should have had both doses. So I see no problem. It's not fair if it's done too soon, but they wait until everyone is offered.
Hopefully they will start vaccinating children soon.

You will be treated differently BECAUSE you need to be protected and others need to be protected from you.

I really don’t know what you were expecting? Reality isn't always pretty.

Thank you @snowballer, the reaction was pretty severe initial side effects (which I can handle), followed by around eight weeks of headaches, mild nausea and fatigue. Some of the headaches were severe. I know I might not react the same way to the second dose, but I'd be bloody angry if I did!

I don't feel able to get the second vaccine right now, but I definitely haven't written it off completely!

If people choose not to get the vaccination, or indeed, if for whatever reason they cannot, then sad as it is in the case of the latter group, the rest of the country shouldn't be penalised. As for the former, I couldn't give a fiddlers if they are penalised. I say this as someone who has only gotten the vaccine so I can go on holiday or attend events/places which require a double vaccination.

Yes I do totally understand why you'd be hesitant to put yourself through that again. I think though if it was me, I'd be thinking that if I didn't have the second one I'd have gone through all of that for nothing. But I definitely see your point!

@withlotsoflove

It’s very worrying that just because you don’t “ join a club” you are then prevented from living your life as you once did. It isn’t a club where you miss out on a set of colouring pencils - you lose your freedom & the ability to keep your vaccination situation private from your employer. Most people l know only had the jab to go on holiday! Some have had all kinds of horrible side effects- but , you know - they’ll get their sun this year! It isn’t done for the good of their neighbours - it’s done for themselves. Just like those who choose for the moment to still wait and see how this all plays out.

The thing is though if millions of people waited or didn't vaccinate because/because/because despite evidence that it works then no-one would have their freedoms back and we would be in constant lock down.

We don't want that and so took the obvious way out - vaccinate to protect and then open up again. Thank goodness millions of people have done so.

Makes perfect sense to me!

You already need certain vaccines to enter certain countries and to do certain healthcare jobs. It's no surprise that COVID is being treated similarly.

If you don't want the vaccine, that's fine, but don't expect to have the same freedoms and those who have chosen to have it.

If you read the article posted by a PP, you'll see that having had Covid and recovered gives you roughly the same benefits as having one dose of vaccine. Short lived and limited immunity. Not the same as having two vaccinations.

Will be treated differently." Words are powerful and manipulative

Oh stop it. People are treated differently every second of ever day for a million different reasons. Go get upset about an injustice that actually matters!

We are trying to claw our way out of a global pandemic that has killed four million people, if you somehow thought that people who won't get vaccinated weren't going to be welcome places, you're out of your mind.