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How do I deal with neighbour who has a vendetta against me?

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thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 09:25

This sounds like an exaggeration but my upstairs neighbour hates me and seeks to be a constant irritant in my life. This is a very long and sorry saga. There was an incident about 2 years ago which I've posted about in which she tried to persuade me to pay for an appliance to be fitted to her boiler because the noise made by my turning the hot tap on and off in my home was causing her "mental distress". I said I was prepared to go halves but not to pay the entire cost of this as I didn't believe it was necessary and she ended up calling the environmental health to make a formal complaint against me. The environmental health decided essentially it was her responsibility and said she needed to fix it, which absolutely enraged her and she has never forgiven me. The post is below if anyone can be bothered to read it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3611051-To-think-if-this-bothers-her-that-much-she-should-pay-to-get-it-sorted-herself

Since then she has done a variety of things which however much I try to rationalise I can only put down to spite:

  • complained to the council and the property freeholder that I close my front door too loudly (I don't but I have a child who may once or twice have done this -- something which I don't always have perfect control over)
  • complained to the council that I'm dumping things in her wheelie bins (I have not done this once)
  • complained to the freeholder of my property that I'm a "nuisance neighbour" for unspecified reasons which boiled down to my having briefly had an old bed frame propped up in my back garden for 48 hours before it could be removed
  • put nasty posts about me on the local WhatsApp group about the bins issue - -which were called out by other neighbours as "bitchy"
  • Taken photographs of my wheelie bins
  • Accused me of "spying" on her via social media (I have no idea what this is even about)

My approach up to now has just been to ignore everything and not respond to the complaints. I'm a middle aged woman with a 10 year old child. I'm not perfect at all but I'm a very long way from being a nuisance neighbour: I live quietly and with minimal environmental impact. The very occasional times I have left something in my garden, for example, its been a temporary stopgap while waiting to have it removed. I never play music late at night, I'm in bed by 11pm etc.

In the past week she has now installed something upstairs (possibly a fan or a dehumidifier) which makes a huge amount of noise all night and which has forced me and my DD to sleep in the living room because neither of us can sleep through it in our rooms.

I don't know how to approach this. I can't deal with it any more: its affecting my ability to sleep and thus to work. I know that if I drop her a polite note or a text about it it will prompt another furious burst of invective or a slew of complaints to the council etc. Her mental health is clearly extremely fragile and I have some sympathy but I'm also not prepared to be held personally responsible for her problems and to get attacked in front of other people who know me.

After I learned about the WhatsApp chat comments (from a friendly neighbour) I asked my lawyer to draft a letter asking her not to post defamatory comments about me on social media but have held off sending it because I thought it would be needlessly inflammatory. I just want to keep my head down and not get in her way. But I will defend myself if she is spreading untrue and defamatory things about me.

But now I essentially have a short-term and a long-term problem: how do I ask her to deal with this noise problem without triggering World War III and longer term, how do I politely but firmly put my foot down about this constant barrage of complaints and attempts to rile me about non-issues. I've considered filing a harassment complaint but I've been told that this can be an issue as you have to declare it when you put a house up for sales so I'm keen to avoid having to do this if I possibly can. I just want a quiet life tbh.

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TheQueef · 05/07/2021 09:31

You need to move.
I know it's the nuclear option and I know it's much easier said than done.
It's the only solution in your control.

CrouchEndTiger12 · 05/07/2021 09:36

Can you leave? I'm sorry you don't say if you own the property but if you do and it gets any worse you might have to declare a neighbour dispute.

I would try and leave before it gets to that stage buy obviously if you can't, can you get another neighbour to speak to her about the fan?

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 09:37

TheQueef

Yep. I think you're right. Trouble is I can't do this until some inheritance which I am due to receive comes through. So will have to suck it up for a bit. But it really is the only option.

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CrouchEndTiger12 · 05/07/2021 09:38

I would just keep your head down when it comes to her. Just smile and say whatever when she moans. If you escalate this you might have to declare a neighbour dispute when you try and sell.

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 09:38

@CrouchEndTiger12

Can you leave? I'm sorry you don't say if you own the property but if you do and it gets any worse you might have to declare a neighbour dispute.

I would try and leave before it gets to that stage buy obviously if you can't, can you get another neighbour to speak to her about the fan?

I do own and I will sell up as soon as I can. Realistically this isn't likely to be for at least another six months.
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Seeline · 05/07/2021 09:41

IF you are friendly with some of the other flat owners, can you have a chat and see if the new noise is bothering them? If so, can you approach her together, or both go to the Council?

Sarahlou63 · 05/07/2021 09:42

Earplugs in the short term? From what you've posted I think trying to engage positively with the neighbour is pointless. Given that other people are well aware that she is the issue, not you, you should try to live your life as normally as you can until you can move, rather than tiptoeing around her.

Hope your inheritance comes through soon!

harriethoyle · 05/07/2021 09:45

Second PP saying move. I had horrific neighbours at my last house and it came to a tipping point where I could have either formalised matters or make and to move out. I sold, having kept my head down beforehand so, in good conscience, I could say there hadn't been a neighbour dispute...

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 09:47

@Seeline

IF you are friendly with some of the other flat owners, can you have a chat and see if the new noise is bothering them? If so, can you approach her together, or both go to the Council?
It's a good idea but I think its very unlikely anyone else can hear. The property we live in is essentially a house that's been split down the middle so I'm pretty sure it can only be heard within the building IYSWIM.
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thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 09:48

@harriethoyle

Second PP saying move. I had horrific neighbours at my last house and it came to a tipping point where I could have either formalised matters or make and to move out. I sold, having kept my head down beforehand so, in good conscience, I could say there hadn't been a neighbour dispute...
I think you're right. I really don't want to have to escalate it.
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tallduckandhandsome · 05/07/2021 09:54

I would be tempted to fight fire with fire.

At the moment she sees you as a soft touch, a single mum. I would give her a piece of mind, without swearing or shouting and let her know what an awful neighbour she is. And also film her so she can't lie about it.

I must caveat this, I've not been through scenario this so others might advise this is an incendiary approach.

However, generally I've found when I've confronted people it makes a difference.

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 09:58

@tallduckandhandsome

I would be tempted to fight fire with fire.

At the moment she sees you as a soft touch, a single mum. I would give her a piece of mind, without swearing or shouting and let her know what an awful neighbour she is. And also film her so she can't lie about it.

I must caveat this, I've not been through scenario this so others might advise this is an incendiary approach.

However, generally I've found when I've confronted people it makes a difference.

If all things were equal herd I'd agree: I think she's a classic bully: she's identified me wrongly as someone who she can push around and is furious because it hasn't been as easy as she thought so is acting out. She apparently sees me as a focal point for all the problems in her life.

This is what prompted me to get legal advice.

But I'm very loathe to escalate this into the status of a formal dispute because I want to be able to sell my home at some point.

To my surprise and delight, two other neighbours have defended me on the WhatsApp group pretty robustly and told her to wind her neck in and that seems to have been pretty effective in terms of calming the complaints. The only issue is the bloody fan. I would like to be able to get some sleep.

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thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 09:58

equal here. Not equal herd.

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PointyMcguire · 05/07/2021 09:58

Would you be considering selling up if it weren’t for the nuisance neighbour? I could be wrong but if she’s made formal complaints against you I’d have thought you’d need to declare it anyway when you come to sell in which case lodging a noise complaint against her won’t make a huge amount of difference.

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 10:00

@PointyMcguire

Would you be considering selling up if it weren’t for the nuisance neighbour? I could be wrong but if she’s made formal complaints against you I’d have thought you’d need to declare it anyway when you come to sell in which case lodging a noise complaint against her won’t make a huge amount of difference.
I'm not sure what the technical definition of a formal complaint is tbh. If her complaints do have formal status I guess I have nothing to lose.
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tallduckandhandsome · 05/07/2021 10:11

If all things were equal herd I'd agree: I think she's a classic bully: she's identified me wrongly as someone who she can push around and is furious because it hasn't been as easy as she thought so is acting out. She apparently sees me as a focal point for all the problems in her life.

This is what prompted me to get legal advice.

But I'm very loathe to escalate this into the status of a formal dispute because I want to be able to sell my home at some point.

To my surprise and delight, two other neighbours have defended me on the WhatsApp group pretty robustly and told her to wind her neck in and that seems to have been pretty effective in terms of calming the complaints. The only issue is the bloody fan. I would like to be able to get some sleep.

Yes she sounds like a thwarted and petulant person.

If you complained to the council and got a noise monitor, would that be seen as a dispute if you came to sell?

tallduckandhandsome · 05/07/2021 10:11

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thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 10:13

@tallduckandhandsome

I don't know. I'm trying to get legal advice on this at the moment.

But as a PP commented, if she's already escalated this into "dispute" territory maybe I have nothing to lose.

She is clearly quite damaged and I don't want to cause needless pain to someone whose mental health is clearly very bad. But I'm not prepared to be bullied like this.

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Bluntness100 · 05/07/2021 10:15

I have to agree, if she’s formally complained about you you need to declare it. It’s a neighbour dispute, it’s not just if you complain about her. Although clearly if you’re perceived as the issue it’s less of an issue if that makes sense.

I would say though, are you quite sensitive, a fan or dehumidifier that’s so loud you can’t sleep in your bedroom sounds highly unlikely, which makes me wonder if you’re also very noise sensitive?

I would agree with the others, this isn’t going to resolve itself, so ultimately you need to move. Or one of you does.

LakieLady · 05/07/2021 10:15

Realistically, I think moving is your only viable option. She'll never change, and trying to get her to see reason about whatever noisy appliance she's running at night is likely to be futile, at best, and could make things worse. Are any other neighbours affected by this noise? They might have more success with her, as she seems to have taken against you from the start.

In the meantime, earplugs and/or a white noise generator might make things more tolerable. Or maybe repurpose rooms so that what is currently your living room becomes your bedroom, if that's feasible.

Some people are just beyond reason and there's no point in trying to reason with them.

BlankTimes · 05/07/2021 10:16

Can you ask the Council for noise monitoring equipment, or would that have to be declared when moving?

Alternatively, earplugs, look on the Flare website, they are a specialist sound company.

ElectricTreeLeaf · 05/07/2021 10:17

Do not complain about her to anyone, you will have to declare any disputes on a legal document when selling. As it stands all the complaints are against you. Do not fight fire with fire unless you want to be stuck there when no one wants to buy because your neighbour is a complainer.

You would hope that she will be glad to see you go and not try to stop you moving as who else can she then complain about? In the meantime, white noise for sleeping and know that this will all be over at some point.

BlankTimes · 05/07/2021 10:17

Ooops, sorry, crosspost with tallduckandhandsome Blush

Must learn to type faster!

Tiari · 05/07/2021 10:18

I had this problem around twenty years ago (neighbour with a vendetta)
From experience I would advise: keep your head down, don't complain about anything at all, wear earplugs in bed and move as soon as possible.
Mine got even nastier when I retaliated/ confronted and what a relief it was when we moved!!
Good luck, you have my sympathy, it can be just awful Flowers

k1233 · 05/07/2021 10:18

What's the noise? Vibration or something else? Is it possible to soundproof your ceiling? Google it - there's stuff they can do that might help, depending on what the noise is.

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