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How do I deal with neighbour who has a vendetta against me?

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thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 09:25

This sounds like an exaggeration but my upstairs neighbour hates me and seeks to be a constant irritant in my life. This is a very long and sorry saga. There was an incident about 2 years ago which I've posted about in which she tried to persuade me to pay for an appliance to be fitted to her boiler because the noise made by my turning the hot tap on and off in my home was causing her "mental distress". I said I was prepared to go halves but not to pay the entire cost of this as I didn't believe it was necessary and she ended up calling the environmental health to make a formal complaint against me. The environmental health decided essentially it was her responsibility and said she needed to fix it, which absolutely enraged her and she has never forgiven me. The post is below if anyone can be bothered to read it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3611051-To-think-if-this-bothers-her-that-much-she-should-pay-to-get-it-sorted-herself

Since then she has done a variety of things which however much I try to rationalise I can only put down to spite:

  • complained to the council and the property freeholder that I close my front door too loudly (I don't but I have a child who may once or twice have done this -- something which I don't always have perfect control over)
  • complained to the council that I'm dumping things in her wheelie bins (I have not done this once)
  • complained to the freeholder of my property that I'm a "nuisance neighbour" for unspecified reasons which boiled down to my having briefly had an old bed frame propped up in my back garden for 48 hours before it could be removed
  • put nasty posts about me on the local WhatsApp group about the bins issue - -which were called out by other neighbours as "bitchy"
  • Taken photographs of my wheelie bins
  • Accused me of "spying" on her via social media (I have no idea what this is even about)

My approach up to now has just been to ignore everything and not respond to the complaints. I'm a middle aged woman with a 10 year old child. I'm not perfect at all but I'm a very long way from being a nuisance neighbour: I live quietly and with minimal environmental impact. The very occasional times I have left something in my garden, for example, its been a temporary stopgap while waiting to have it removed. I never play music late at night, I'm in bed by 11pm etc.

In the past week she has now installed something upstairs (possibly a fan or a dehumidifier) which makes a huge amount of noise all night and which has forced me and my DD to sleep in the living room because neither of us can sleep through it in our rooms.

I don't know how to approach this. I can't deal with it any more: its affecting my ability to sleep and thus to work. I know that if I drop her a polite note or a text about it it will prompt another furious burst of invective or a slew of complaints to the council etc. Her mental health is clearly extremely fragile and I have some sympathy but I'm also not prepared to be held personally responsible for her problems and to get attacked in front of other people who know me.

After I learned about the WhatsApp chat comments (from a friendly neighbour) I asked my lawyer to draft a letter asking her not to post defamatory comments about me on social media but have held off sending it because I thought it would be needlessly inflammatory. I just want to keep my head down and not get in her way. But I will defend myself if she is spreading untrue and defamatory things about me.

But now I essentially have a short-term and a long-term problem: how do I ask her to deal with this noise problem without triggering World War III and longer term, how do I politely but firmly put my foot down about this constant barrage of complaints and attempts to rile me about non-issues. I've considered filing a harassment complaint but I've been told that this can be an issue as you have to declare it when you put a house up for sales so I'm keen to avoid having to do this if I possibly can. I just want a quiet life tbh.

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thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 10:18

@Bluntness100

I have to agree, if she’s formally complained about you you need to declare it. It’s a neighbour dispute, it’s not just if you complain about her. Although clearly if you’re perceived as the issue it’s less of an issue if that makes sense.

I would say though, are you quite sensitive, a fan or dehumidifier that’s so loud you can’t sleep in your bedroom sounds highly unlikely, which makes me wonder if you’re also very noise sensitive?

I would agree with the others, this isn’t going to resolve itself, so ultimately you need to move. Or one of you does.

I am quite noise sensitive - I find it very hard to sleep over any kind of noise (tv/radio etc). And this is my problem, not hers.

But in the normal course of business obviously you negotiate with people and meet somewhere in the middle. But in this case I guarantee that any approach I make to her will be met with "but you dump things in my bins" or "but you are a nuisance neighbour so you don't have a leg to stand on". etc etc.

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Ozanj · 05/07/2021 10:19

Keep a diary of events and contact the police if you can get a restraining order or get her done for harassment / stalking.

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 10:21

@ElectricTreeLeaf

Do not complain about her to anyone, you will have to declare any disputes on a legal document when selling. As it stands all the complaints are against you. Do not fight fire with fire unless you want to be stuck there when no one wants to buy because your neighbour is a complainer.

You would hope that she will be glad to see you go and not try to stop you moving as who else can she then complain about? In the meantime, white noise for sleeping and know that this will all be over at some point.

Thanks, that's been my approach so far.

Out of interest, though, if all complaints so far have been made against me, not by me, that's still a dispute, right? Technically speaking. So my complaining against her won't change the legal position: is that correct?

I don't think she's particularly rational: she seems to be the kind of person who is permanently falling out with someone and actively enjoys being in dispute with people as it gives her something to do and if I move her ire and frustration will just attach itself to some other hapless individual. But clearly I would rather that person not be me!

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ElizabethTudor · 05/07/2021 10:28

In the short-term can you and daughter get your own fans?
They do act as a type of white noise. So might help to drown out the noise from above. Plus are handy in this warm weather to provide an extra bit of cool air flow!

Bluntness100 · 05/07/2021 10:31

Maybe she’s the same, extremely noise sensitive op. Which is a recipe for disaster, two noise sensitive people living in flats.

One of you has to go. In reality neither of you should live in flats ideally.

vivainsomnia · 05/07/2021 10:33

She's clearly has some issues and her behaviour is not normal. However, you can't expect her to stop doing something she is perfectly entitled to do when you were not keen to sort out the issue with the boiler noise which started it all.

You didn't owe her to sort out the problem with her now, but neither does she owe you to sort out the fan issue. You and your daughter are going to have to get used to ear plugs.

StillCalmX · 05/07/2021 10:34

When a narcissist casts you in the role of Their Enemy, all you can do is get out off their stage.

Brew

I've been in your shoes. Somebody decided I was their enemy. It's horrendous.

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 10:37

@vivainsomnia

She's clearly has some issues and her behaviour is not normal. However, you can't expect her to stop doing something she is perfectly entitled to do when you were not keen to sort out the issue with the boiler noise which started it all.

You didn't owe her to sort out the problem with her now, but neither does she owe you to sort out the fan issue. You and your daughter are going to have to get used to ear plugs.

I was perfectly happy for a joint approach to the boiler problem: ie to go halves on getting it fixed. She was the one who insisted it was wholly my responsibility and my obligation to pay all costs. Even though the boiler was located in her flat, not mine, and was only a concern to her and her household. I was still willing to pay half. I don't see why it should have been incumbent on me to pay the total cost for fixing something off my property which was of no concern to me. And the environmental health agreed with me.

On the fan issue you may have a point. If I have to suck it up I have to suck it up. I don't see why I should have to suck up being bullied though.

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Welloff · 05/07/2021 10:45

"When a narcissist casts you in the role of Their Enemy, all you can do is get out off their stage."

that's a useful way of looking at it.

PrettyLittleFlies · 05/07/2021 11:13

Have you thought about rat poison?

Wombat36 · 05/07/2021 11:14

Move out, put tenants in on a short-term let. 😁

Cailleach1 · 05/07/2021 11:16

[quote thepeopleversuswork]@tallduckandhandsome

I don't know. I'm trying to get legal advice on this at the moment.

But as a PP commented, if she's already escalated this into "dispute" territory maybe I have nothing to lose.

She is clearly quite damaged and I don't want to cause needless pain to someone whose mental health is clearly very bad. But I'm not prepared to be bullied like this.[/quote]
Thing is, that complaint was resolved. The person came out, she should do it, and she did. You can wrap that complaint up in any declaration form.

For the sake of 6 months, I'd be very unavailable for her. Wouldn't engage and keep it all at far reach.

billy1966 · 05/07/2021 11:22

Move on OP and sell to the loudest, most annoying people you can find and as soon as the purchase is finalised give them the heads up that she is a complete PITA and not to take any guff from her.

Ear plugs in the mean time and tell her go to hell the next time you see her.

Cailleach1 · 05/07/2021 11:25

I don't think it is a good idea to engage with her like that. Also, if you have signed a declaration, you would undermine it by then saying it was a insufferable living beside her.

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 11:30

@Cailleach1

I don't think it is a good idea to engage with her like that. Also, if you have signed a declaration, you would undermine it by then saying it was a insufferable living beside her.
I haven't signed anything. The environmental health told her it was her responsibilitiy to fix: they emailed me to say it was something which had to be resolved between us but that given that I had already paid half of the cost via plumbing investigations I didn't owe anything further.

I then heard her shouting at the offices when they went to deliver this response to her verbally.

So this was never formally "closed" but it was very clear what had happened.

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Jacopo · 05/07/2021 11:31

For the sake of six months, keep your head down and don’t engage. Don’t do anything that might jeopardise your ability to sell the flat ( and don’t mention the problem neighbour, even after you’ve finalised the sale).
If it means you have to swap around your living room and bedroom for a few months just do it.

Cailleach1 · 05/07/2021 11:33

You will sign a declaration in the form when you sell your property. i was referring to that. Resist the temptation to refer to her even after any sale.

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 11:36

@Cailleach1

You will sign a declaration in the form when you sell your property. i was referring to that. Resist the temptation to refer to her even after any sale.
I see what you mean. Yep, sounds sensible.
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Returnoftheowl · 05/07/2021 11:38

@TheQueef

You need to move. I know it's the nuclear option and I know it's much easier said than done. It's the only solution in your control.
It's a shame to say but she's not gonna change... I'd be looking to move.
Mumsnut · 05/07/2021 11:40

Your best approach might be to ignore the noise totally. If she has just bought this thing to annoy you, then it must be keeping her awake as well. If so, and she gets no ‘reward’ from it, she might give up on it

Sometimes, not giving someone the reaction they crave is the worst punishment you can give them

But if it continues, I’d get a fan or two as someone has suggested

Notaroadrunner · 05/07/2021 11:43

@Mumsnut

Your best approach might be to ignore the noise totally. If she has just bought this thing to annoy you, then it must be keeping her awake as well. If so, and she gets no ‘reward’ from it, she might give up on it

Sometimes, not giving someone the reaction they crave is the worst punishment you can give them

But if it continues, I’d get a fan or two as someone has suggested

I agree. Surely it's annoying her too but she's just waiting for you to complain so she gets an argument out of you. With any luck she will get sick of her own noise very soon and turn it off. Try not to rise to it just yet.
thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 11:46

@Notaroadrunner

It had crossed my mind that she's doing this purely to piss me off.

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BernardsarenotalwaysSaints · 05/07/2021 11:49

It sucks, doesn't it?! I have an arse of a ndn, she used to ignore us/not bring us in to it but decided she didn't like us either about 3 years ago. Sorry, no advice just commiserating.

thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2021 12:02

@BernardsarenotalwaysSaints

It sucks, doesn't it?! I have an arse of a ndn, she used to ignore us/not bring us in to it but decided she didn't like us either about 3 years ago. Sorry, no advice just commiserating.
Its horrific tbh. I feel like I'm constantly being watched and judged and that my every move is deemed "antisocial". It's really limited what I feel I can do. I feel guilty if I have a conversation with my daughter, feel guilty standing in my own garden etc.
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Coronawireless · 05/07/2021 12:02

Sympathies from here too. She sounds as if she has a personality disorder in which case there may be no point in engaging with her as you might someone who sees the world in a mainstream way. We had a ndn like this, constantly complaining and falling out with everyone, very irrational. Amongst other things she used to leave used earbuds on our doorstep. Every couple of days for several months. It was a relatively small thing but I found it extremely stressful. I suspect the noisy fan at night is a similar ploy from your ndn.
We dealt with her by telling her we had caught her on camera leaving the earbuds and we’d show the film to the residents association meeting if she didn’t stop. She stopped immediately and backed right off.
We were lucky but if she’d been a different person she may have escalated things - this happened to another person I know.
No advice as I don’t know your full situation but you could try asking some of your neighbours over a cuppa if they’ve had dealings with her and how they got her to back off?

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