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Dogs in Restaurants

916 replies

IDontGetOutMuch · 04/07/2021 20:05

Took my mum out to lunch today. It was a nice enough place-£25 per head.
Have expectations changed with regard to dogs in restaurants? There were four other tables in our section and three had a dog with them.
Two of them barked at least three times during the meal. One jumped up at a waitress carrying puddings to another table, paws on her apron. One jumped up at the table wanting to be fed. One was petted by another waitress who then went straight to a table to take orders without washing hands. One was lying in the way so that I had to ask the owner to move it to allow my mother to get through with her Walker.
We had a dog when I was a child. He never went to a restaurant. What about people with allergies?
Is it okay that they do? Do I need to get over myself? I tried to compare to children. I expect my children to cause no disturbance to others at a restaurant and to stay at the table. We expected this even when they were little and actually rarely went to restaurants anyway.

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TheFoundations · 06/07/2021 16:16

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I will. Enjoy your dog hair soup.
Still goady, having JUST this minute claimed to be conflict free.

I'm ending our tit for tat now, from my side, but if you need the last word, you're very welcome to it.

Usual2usual · 06/07/2021 16:18

It doesn't bother me as long as they are well behaved.

My older dog would lie down and not move until we told her.

My younger one....well it would be carnage, he can't even be in the room when we are eating (we are working on it!).

LST · 06/07/2021 16:41

Considering they were meant to be leaving the thread hours ago @TheFoundations I very much think they'll be back for the final yip

TheFoundations · 06/07/2021 16:51

@LST

Considering they were meant to be leaving the thread hours ago *@TheFoundations* I very much think they'll be back for the final yip
Grin

Whatever makes them happy! Hope something does.

vodkaredbullgirl · 06/07/2021 16:54

Some people are like a dog with a bone, can't leave it alone.

Patup5 · 06/07/2021 18:03

I had this very problem only recently when people with a dog arrived at the table next to me, in what I had thought was a decent restaurant. The animal was sniffing around my table. I made my displeasure clear and moved a chair to block the dog. One owner then advised the other that I didn’t like dogs, the dog was duly called to heel and kept under their table.

They were muttering about asking to move, I was thinking the same. I think we both decided to stay put in the name of good form. An unpleasant atmosphere, as well as an unpleasant smell, permeated the rest of the meal for both tables.

So, the owners had been welcomed into the restaurant thinking it was “dog friendly “. I had been welcomed into the restaurant with no understanding that I’d be eating with animals.

I think we’d both been conned.

I refused to pay the automatic service charge at the end of the meal and was asked to explain why. I agreed to do so in private as I didn’t want to embarrass the dog owners. The manager’s argument was all about being “dog friendly “. I told him that should be made clear upon booking or walking in.

The Kennel Club, in their delusion, have launched an Open For Dogs campaign, which includes window stickers for eating establishments. So, can we expect eating establishments to nail their colours to the mast, so we all know the score in future? I doubt it, but far more of us now know to ask about the policy before deciding where to spend our money.

rantymcrantface66 · 06/07/2021 18:10

@Patup5

I had this very problem only recently when people with a dog arrived at the table next to me, in what I had thought was a decent restaurant. The animal was sniffing around my table. I made my displeasure clear and moved a chair to block the dog. One owner then advised the other that I didn’t like dogs, the dog was duly called to heel and kept under their table.

They were muttering about asking to move, I was thinking the same. I think we both decided to stay put in the name of good form. An unpleasant atmosphere, as well as an unpleasant smell, permeated the rest of the meal for both tables.

So, the owners had been welcomed into the restaurant thinking it was “dog friendly “. I had been welcomed into the restaurant with no understanding that I’d be eating with animals.

I think we’d both been conned.

I refused to pay the automatic service charge at the end of the meal and was asked to explain why. I agreed to do so in private as I didn’t want to embarrass the dog owners. The manager’s argument was all about being “dog friendly “. I told him that should be made clear upon booking or walking in.

The Kennel Club, in their delusion, have launched an Open For Dogs campaign, which includes window stickers for eating establishments. So, can we expect eating establishments to nail their colours to the mast, so we all know the score in future? I doubt it, but far more of us now know to ask about the policy before deciding where to spend our money.

You sound uptight. You could have just said you weren't happy to either the dog owner or the staff. Dog owner got their dog immediately under control after your passive aggressive huffing but you still weren't happy so probably should have asked to be moved for your own enjoyment and others. Maybe check in future and save everyone that difficult experience!
Patup5 · 06/07/2021 18:16

@rantymcrantface66

Try reading the post before making such silly comments.

We all decided to behave properly, like grown ups.

TheFoundations · 06/07/2021 18:18

How were the couple with the dog conned?

They were complained about for letting their dog hang around someone else's table, and they sorted it out.

How were you conned?

You went to a dog friendly restaurant and there was a dog. The fact that you didn't check doesn't mean they conned you.

rantymcrantface66 · 06/07/2021 18:20

Not really, you silently fumed and didn't enjoy your meal, nor tip the service staff for something that has absolutely zero to do with them. They don't make the rules they just carry the food for minimum wage

TheFoundations · 06/07/2021 18:21

They were muttering about asking to move, I was thinking the same. I think we both decided to stay put in the name of good form. An unpleasant atmosphere, as well as an unpleasant smell, permeated the rest of the meal for both tables

That's not behaving like grown ups. That's sulking teenagers. Grown ups clearly say 'We have opposing needs, here. I think it's best if we move tables.'

Grown ups are assertive. Teenagers are passive aggressive and sit feeling pissed off when their boundaries are crossed.

Patup5 · 06/07/2021 18:23

They were conned because they thought they’d booked a dog friendly restaurant. That can only be the case if all other customers have bought into it too, either by being dog friendly themselves, or by being made aware that they were in such an establishment.

Patup5 · 06/07/2021 18:25

The service charge was automatically added to the bill, the staff weren’t going to see any of it anyway.

TheFoundations · 06/07/2021 18:27

That's not being conned, that's being made to feel uncomfortable by another customer who doesn't know the ethos of the place. If I've read it right, the restaurant staff didn't even know you were displeased. How were they supposed to fix it so that the customers with the dog felt comfortable having their dog there?

Patup5 · 06/07/2021 18:33

Exactly @TheFoundations!

I didn’t know the ethos of the place, and there was nothing on show to tell me.

I’ll be delighted to see a success of the Kennel Club’s campaign, we can all find our happy place then.

LST · 06/07/2021 18:37

@Patup5

They were conned because they thought they’d booked a dog friendly restaurant. That can only be the case if all other customers have bought into it too, either by being dog friendly themselves, or by being made aware that they were in such an establishment.
They were in a dog friendly restaurant. They were just sat next to non dog friendly people
TheFoundations · 06/07/2021 18:40

I didn’t know the ethos of the place

That's on you. Just like it's on me to make sure I don't swan into somewhere dog free with my dog, and then feel 'conned', and make other customers uncomfortable because my requirements aren't met.

Nohomemadecandles · 06/07/2021 18:42

@Patup5

I had this very problem only recently when people with a dog arrived at the table next to me, in what I had thought was a decent restaurant. The animal was sniffing around my table. I made my displeasure clear and moved a chair to block the dog. One owner then advised the other that I didn’t like dogs, the dog was duly called to heel and kept under their table.

They were muttering about asking to move, I was thinking the same. I think we both decided to stay put in the name of good form. An unpleasant atmosphere, as well as an unpleasant smell, permeated the rest of the meal for both tables.

So, the owners had been welcomed into the restaurant thinking it was “dog friendly “. I had been welcomed into the restaurant with no understanding that I’d be eating with animals.

I think we’d both been conned.

I refused to pay the automatic service charge at the end of the meal and was asked to explain why. I agreed to do so in private as I didn’t want to embarrass the dog owners. The manager’s argument was all about being “dog friendly “. I told him that should be made clear upon booking or walking in.

The Kennel Club, in their delusion, have launched an Open For Dogs campaign, which includes window stickers for eating establishments. So, can we expect eating establishments to nail their colours to the mast, so we all know the score in future? I doubt it, but far more of us now know to ask about the policy before deciding where to spend our money.

Yeah, totally conned. Hmm Confused
rantymcrantface66 · 06/07/2021 18:47

@Patup5

They were conned because they thought they’d booked a dog friendly restaurant. That can only be the case if all other customers have bought into it too, either by being dog friendly themselves, or by being made aware that they were in such an establishment.
They HAD booked a dog friendly restaurant. You were the ones that were unfriendly and they did their part to accommodate by ensuring their dog didn't go near you when they realised. You were the new with the problem so could have moved but chose not to and stayed to be able to complain instead:
takemetomars · 06/07/2021 18:49

Rather a dog than badly behaved children

BobMortimersPetOwl · 06/07/2021 19:08

It's a lot of fuss and drama over nothing really isn't it. Every environment isn't going to suit the desires and needs of every individual.

As a dog owner, I check before turning up at a pub or restaurant whether my dogs are allowed in. Surely if you have an allergy severe enough to trigger a harsh reaction just from being in a space in which dogs have been earlier, you'd also contact the establishment to check it suits your needs?

There are an increasing number of pubs, bars and restaurants becoming dog friendly. Dog owners form a huge market and I assume said owners have decided allowing dogs results in better profits, in much the same way many owners cater for children.

SillyLittleBiscuit · 06/07/2021 19:13

Yep, when you walk in or call and say “I’d like a table for 4 please” just add on “can I check if you’re dog friendly?” You can then plan your next move. Really easy.

Jijithecat · 06/07/2021 19:25

If there were sections in a pub/restaurant for dogs and their owners to sit I think that would solve a lot of problems (space permitting obviously). Then everyone in theory could happily enjoy a meal/drink out.

rantymcrantface66 · 06/07/2021 19:32

@Jijithecat

If there were sections in a pub/restaurant for dogs and their owners to sit I think that would solve a lot of problems (space permitting obviously). Then everyone in theory could happily enjoy a meal/drink out.
There often is! Dogs in garden and less formal bar eating area, dog free in formal area - where space and layout allows!
Jijithecat · 06/07/2021 19:34

I've never been in an establishment that has signs indicating this. I'd definitely be on the lookout for this kind of place.

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