Dogs in Restaurants

[IDontGetOutMuch]

Took my mum out to lunch today. It was a nice enough place-£25 per head.
Have expectations changed with regard to dogs in restaurants? There were four other tables in our section and three had a dog with them.
Two of them barked at least three times during the meal. One jumped up at a waitress carrying puddings to another table, paws on her apron. One jumped up at the table wanting to be fed. One was petted by another waitress who then went straight to a table to take orders without washing hands. One was lying in the way so that I had to ask the owner to move it to allow my mother to get through with her Walker.
We had a dog when I was a child. He never went to a restaurant. What about people with allergies?
Is it okay that they do? Do I need to get over myself? I tried to compare to children. I expect my children to cause no disturbance to others at a restaurant and to stay at the table. We expected this even when they were little and actually rarely went to restaurants anyway.

*Dog not DH 😂😂

@claralara42

But.. maybe you're struggling to understand. Your opinion literally doesn't matter

IT matters literally as much as yours does

It's not that it doesn't matter, it's that it makes no difference.

@TheFoundations definitely knew who that came from, certain not you!

@claralara42

But.. maybe you're struggling to understand. Your opinion literally doesn't matter

IT matters literally as much as yours does

Come on Clara, Dog People are superior beings you know and have the final say on everything

It's not that it doesn't matter, it's that it makes no difference

Oh really? I totally thought that when we discussed our opinions on things, on what we think should or shouldn't happen, when we stated how we think things should be, even if they aren't...that it affected those things in real life!
Thank god we have you here to explain that chatting shit on MN isn't going to change anything at all. We were all so confused about that until you got here!

But.. maybe you're struggling to understand. Your opinion literally doesn't matter

’IT matters literally as much as yours does hmm.’

Well no, if doesn’t. Because the law isn’t on your side here. You can stamp your feet and protest, for all the good it will do. I don’t think there’s any public interest in changing the law.

Why not just go to one of the many restaurants that don’t allow dogs?

And whilst you may see your dog as an extension of you, it isn't. It's something you've brought along that doesn't need to be there
Here we go again, trying to pass your opinion as fact!

It's something I brought along that meet my wishes. Your wishes are not more important than mine.

I'm genuinely really sorry that you feel so strongly about it, but you can't make something perfect legal and normal by a vast majority unacceptable because you, representative of a minority, don't like it.

It's something you just need to learn to live with.

Not got the point of MN have you?

@LizzieW1969

*But.. maybe you're struggling to understand. Your opinion literally doesn't matter*

’IT matters literally as much as yours does hmm.’

Well no, if doesn’t. Because the law isn’t on your side here. You can stamp your feet and protest, for all the good it will do. I don’t think there’s any public interest in changing the law.

Why not just go to one of the many restaurants that don’t allow dogs?

That's not how opinions work 😂😂😂

Opinions aren't 'better' than other if a law of a country you happen to live in backs it up.

And the law ISN'T on dog owners side. the law isn't "dogs must be taken to pubs". Ten actual laws are more around what the proprietor has powers to allow and where they can and can't discriminate.

And given that more places ban dogs than not, by your logic, maybe YOUR opinion isn't relevant 🧐

It's something I brought along that meet my wishes. Your wishes are not more important than mine.

Wrong

You're bringing an extra 'something' into a situation

I'm not

The onus is on you and the extra you want to bring.

I'm done now as this is like banging my head against a brick wall. It's been a long time since I've seen logic fly out the window and people claim their dog has rights over humans because "well I like my dog and want it with me". Hilarious

@CalamityJaneDoe

My cat walks on a lead, because she won’t go out without me. Wonder what would happen if I wanted to take my cat to a restaurant? Probably not, right?

I hate how dogs are considered THE companion pet and allowed almost everywhere. I don‘t like dogs.

I think this would be nice. Some dogs and some cats might need to be in separate spaces, but lots of pubs have more than one room.

In terms of companion pets, the vast majority of pets that are taken out of their house with their owner are dogs. Businesses cater for the majority. It's not against cats (or any other animal); it's for money. I've been in more than one pub where I was turned away for having a dog, because the pub had its own cat. I think that's good. There's room for everyone, and it's nice they cared about their cats so much that they'd turn away business.

Dogs aren't allowed almost everywhere by any means. There's a lot of stuff you can't do if you've got a dog with you, including many pubs and restaurants, a very high proportion of attractions, clubs, sporting venues, courses, accommodation, libraries, and shops.

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I'm done now as this is like banging my head against a brick wall

Yes, you've been at it for ages and you haven't convinced anybody. Have you stopped to wonder why that might be?

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop to be fair you're the one not really making any sense by trying to make your opinion fact and expect every venue to cater to your personal preference. We aren't asking anyone to become dog friendly or expecting them to - we simply utilise the places that decide themselves to do so.

[quote TheFoundations]@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I'm done now as this is like banging my head against a brick wall

Yes, you've been at it for ages and you haven't convinced anybody. Have you stopped to wonder why that might be?[/quote]
No, I haven't convinced YOU and about two other illogical people who have continuously made weird claims then denied it.

I'm sure I'll sleep tonight all the same.

[quote rantymcrantface66]@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop to be fair you're the one not really making any sense by trying to make your opinion fact and expect every venue to cater to your personal preference. We aren't asking anyone to become dog friendly or expecting them to - we simply utilise the places that decide themselves to do so. [/quote]
I just love it when people make things up on MN 

What opinions am i trying to make fact? Would genuinely love to know.

My point really was that if someone wants to open an establishment that allows dogs, the law allows them to do this. Okay, I should have said that there’s no law against it.

It’s funny really. My DH and don’t even choose to go to such establishments, because he’s allergic. It just doesn’t offend me that there are places that do allow dogs.

And given that more places ban dogs than not, by your logic, maybe YOUR opinion isn't relevant

The opinion that you're arguing against is that there should be some dog friendly places, and some places that do not allow dogs, so that everybody has somewhere they can go. By which logic, the law, the current situation, and most people you come across in daily life all concur.

There's no wonder you feel you're banging your head against a brick wall. You're not even clear what you're arguing against.

I just love it when people make things up on MN

You've been repeatedly misquoting several people all day long! Half of what you've said has come out of thin air.

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

We were turned away from the garden of an almost empty ‘spoons as we had a dog with us. Their loss

It really wasn't.

This is the sense of entitlement I mean. Shocked and aggrieved because it's not a dog friendly place.

Thanks for the tip though, I'll keep it in mind that Wetherspoons doesn't allow dogs.

Also, being indifferent to something, or even disliking something, is not the same as being a "hater". Carry that with you in life. It's a useful nugget for any situation.

Plenty of "dog haters" on this thread.

But it was their loss- we spent almost £200 in the other pub over lunch. Spoons can clearly afford the loss especially having dismissed all their staff over covid but that would be a significant amount of money to a small hospitality business

We didn't argue and accepted the recommendation of one of their staff to try the other place.

Mind you - even if we don't have the dog with us I haven't been in one since!

@claralara42

But.. maybe you're struggling to understand. Your opinion literally doesn't matter

IT matters literally as much as yours does

Yet I want to take my dogs places and I can... Hmm

No, I haven't convinced YOU and about two other illogical people who have continuously made weird claims then denied it

What claims? What denial?

There's quite a few people you're arguing against here, along with the fact that there is no public or business or political movement at all to support your point,. In fact more place are welcoming dogs, which would indicate that an increasing number of people disagree with you and are voting with their wallets. Your opinion is different from, and often opposed to, the popular opinion. You're going to have to lump it.

EvEn iF YoU dOn'T LiKe iT.

(just thought I'd give the teen-speak a go. It slows you down)

The onus is on you and the extra you want to bring
And what you are refusing to accept no matter what is that there is onus on me at all.

I accept you don't like dogs. I accept you don't think they shouldn't be in restaurants. I don't accept your view that I should do any different when what I do is legal and accepted by almost everyone because YOU don't like it.

I am allowed to bring a dog. I am allowed to bring a dog. I am allowed to bring a dog. My only onus is to ensure my dog doesnt do anything to disturb others. I do that.

You're onus is to accept with humbleness well-behaved dogs in restaurants that allow them. Sadly it doesn't seem you can do this because you see all dogs as troublesome no matter what.

What opinions am i trying to make fact?
That dogs matter more than humans.

That dogs have no place in restaurants.

That my wishes are less important than yours because mine involves a dog.

Just about everything really!

And what you are refusing to accept no matter what is that there is onus on me at all.

Hahaha. Of course there is.

I imagine you'd say the onus for bringing children into places is on he parents? Or are dogs and their owners speshul and different?

I accept you don't like dogs

No you don't - your many posts really struggle to accept this.

I'm sure I'll sleep tonight all the same
And we'll continue to take our dogs wherever we are allowed to, as long as they continue to be well behaved.

We're all back to square one