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Matt Hancock affair (3)

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TheoMeo · 27/06/2021 08:05

Surely you would have cameras in a Government building and surely pointing it at doorways between different areas or departments isn't a bad idea.
It looks like a screenshot of a cctv security camera monitor.

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Blossomtoes · 01/07/2021 08:52

Adultery is an action which has, at its core, dishonesty and the breaking of what should be a pretty solemn promise (marriage vows). It shows cowardice too. And it is an important clue about a person's character traits in other areas of their life

Absolutely right. Where we diverge is that I suspect most adulterers aren’t even in unhappy marriages, they’re just plain greedy and want to have their cake and eat it too. Oh wait - where have we heard those words recently?

borntobequiet · 01/07/2021 08:52

@Sostenueto

When you stand in front of the nation dictating what you the public can and can't do for 15 odd months including who you can or cannot hug, deny loved ones the right to be beside the ones they love as they die, to have a wedding or have to sit on your own unsupported at a loved ones funeral then when you are found to have broken your own rules all you can expect is absolute ruin and death by media. It is awful for the 6 children and 2 spouses but it had to be published. Millions and millions of people have been denied so much yet he denied himself nothing. But, the affair will cover up where the actual focus should be. Private email accounts used for shady dealing. His lies to the committee about safeguarding care homes when he knowingly sent people from hospital untested into carehomes causing 30,000 deaths. Purring Frontline workers at risk of death through lack of adequate PPE the same people this Government is denying a decent wage rise to. The hypocrisy of this Government and attitude and distain that stinks towards the public especially the poor and disabled is astonishing. Yet people still vote for them in their millions. I think it says a lot about the society we live in that the most corrupt Government of our time continue to rule this country.
Well said @Sostenueto
Piglet89 · 01/07/2021 08:59

Sorry, my previous post about Westminster Cathedral should have said that it's the mother church of the Catholic Church in England and Wales.

Roussette · 01/07/2021 09:16

Well.... I have no time for Carrie either, she's behind the scenes pulling some strings.
Apparently the wedding went ahead so quickly like it did because she'd feel awkward at the G7.

Piglet89 · 01/07/2021 09:28

And the Catholic Church went along with it.

Utter disgrace.

SadinOxon · 01/07/2021 09:32

@Blossomtoes

Adultery is an action which has, at its core, dishonesty and the breaking of what should be a pretty solemn promise (marriage vows). It shows cowardice too. And it is an important clue about a person's character traits in other areas of their life

Absolutely right. Where we diverge is that I suspect most adulterers aren’t even in unhappy marriages, they’re just plain greedy and want to have their cake and eat it too. Oh wait - where have we heard those words recently?

Agree with the sentiments expressed in both paragraphs. I came across this yesterday about marriage and I thought it was apt - 'Surely that's the most important context [marriage] in which you're truthful - to the person you lie nose-to-nose with in bed. If you can't be truthful to them, then you're absolutely not going to be truthful in any other context'. If our political masters and their mistresses can't be honest with their spouses (and children), then I imagine there is no way they will be honest with us, the general public.
Roussette · 01/07/2021 09:36

I agree up to a point. Of course they need to be honest and true but they're not. Look at John Major and his fling with Edwina Currie, and Paddy Ashdown... both of whom I had time for.

For me, it's not the adultery. It happens. That's life. Unpleasant though it is. For me, it's the deceit and hypocrisy. Whilst guilt tripping the whole nation to save Granny by not breaking rules, he was breaking them and quite obviously had been for months. Probably even through the brutal last winter lockdown.

And it's the private emails and contracts for chums. (Gina's brother, MH's friend in the village and so on...)

Rhinothunder · 01/07/2021 09:38

@Roussette

I agree up to a point. Of course they need to be honest and true but they're not. Look at John Major and his fling with Edwina Currie, and Paddy Ashdown... both of whom I had time for.

For me, it's not the adultery. It happens. That's life. Unpleasant though it is. For me, it's the deceit and hypocrisy. Whilst guilt tripping the whole nation to save Granny by not breaking rules, he was breaking them and quite obviously had been for months. Probably even through the brutal last winter lockdown.

And it's the private emails and contracts for chums. (Gina's brother, MH's friend in the village and so on...)

Exactly this. It is galling that he is still representing in public office as an MP with all the ongoing influence that entails as well as drawing a taxpayer funded salary. He needs to be deselected ASAP
Piglet89 · 01/07/2021 09:49

Also desperately hoping for deselection - mainly because that's a consequence MH wouldn't have banked on and it would serve him bloody right.

I mean, by all accounts, they're pretty bloody raging over in West Suffolk. Perhaps not beyond the bounds...?

Roussette · 01/07/2021 09:55

De-selection yes please. He was the front face of this pandemic. There were people hanging on his every word through worry, they wanted information, they wanted reassurance, they wanted the likes of him to tell us what to do.

And he did. But it only applied to us. Not him.

Piglet89 · 01/07/2021 10:02

The conducting government business over private (presumably very insecure) email accounts is surely gross misconduct under some ministerial code or other?

Certainly, when I have worked for public sector organisations, that was considered an pretty serious offence, that had to be reported up the chain immediately and appropriate steps taken to ensure the information remained safeguarded (as much as possible).

Peregrina · 01/07/2021 10:05

The conducting government business over private (presumably very insecure) email accounts is surely gross misconduct under some ministerial code or other?

Hasn't Johnson tried to weasel his way out of this one too - it's OK as long as the email was copied to an official account?

Piglet89 · 01/07/2021 10:06

Hasn't Johnson tried to weasel his way out of this one too - it's OK as long as the email was copied to an official account?

Again, does he think we are LITERALLY all brain dead?

Blossomtoes · 01/07/2021 10:11

The conducting government business over private (presumably very insecure) email accounts is surely gross misconduct under some ministerial code or other?

It is indeed but look at how many breaches of ministerial code Priti Patel alone has made and she’s still in the Home Office. This government just gets away with doing what the hell it likes and those of us who care seem to be a minority.

Piglet89 · 01/07/2021 10:13

We really do; it makes me incredibly uncomfortable.

Is it because the electorate is ill-educated or too busy, diverted by other things or what is it?

If politics wasn't such a ruthless, dirty game, I'd consider standing myself.

Blossomtoes · 01/07/2021 10:14

Please do, you’re exactly the kind of politician we need.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 01/07/2021 10:24

@Piglet89

We really do; it makes me incredibly uncomfortable.

Is it because the electorate is ill-educated or too busy, diverted by other things or what is it?

If politics wasn't such a ruthless, dirty game, I'd consider standing myself.

Evidently political types are disrespectful cheating clowns as evidently it is best suited for those that have a passion for breaking laws constantly and gaslighting with no moral conscience and in it for pure personal enrichment otherwise known as corruption or being on the take stealing with contempt! If you are trustworthy then perhaps avoid as you will not fit in to the Banana Disunited Royaldom of Britain & Northern Ireland.
ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 01/07/2021 10:28

@Blossomtoes

The conducting government business over private (presumably very insecure) email accounts is surely gross misconduct under some ministerial code or other?

It is indeed but look at how many breaches of ministerial code Priti Patel alone has made and she’s still in the Home Office. This government just gets away with doing what the hell it likes and those of us who care seem to be a minority.

In many instances one can substitute the word government for mafia without being out of context! They are all found way way short of being fit for purpose and if not seemingly above the law would be guilty of countless crimes!
DysonSphere · 01/07/2021 10:45

"It is awful for the 6 children and 2 spouses but"

Not sure about the 'but' bit.

The more I think about it, the more I think this all ultimately reflects badly on Boris.

Call me old fashioned, (and I know the stage doesn't have exactly the same props), but times used to be an 'employer' would look out for the interests of their staff and their families - who they often met or dined with - and intervene in a crisis to spare them as much embarrassment as possible, even if that necessitated a quiet chat behind closed doors and a strong push for them to resign for their own good.

The PM is not an employer as such, but there's a certain duty of care. Even the Queen said 'poor man' in acknowledgement of the stress placed on MH shoulders. She expressed pity and concern for a member of her cabinet.

Boris tried to intimate that that was what he effectively did. That he balanced the outrage of the nation with his responsibility to push MH to resign and therefore withheld firing him ostensibly so as not to do mob justice.

He neither fools anyone with an IQ above 50, or comes out looking in charge. In fact it looks rather like no one in his cabinet respects him, no one fears his ire, and they run around doing what they want. And crucially, Boris is aware of it and the dodgy dealings but feels his hands are tied and he can't take action. Carrie has to step in because he can't or is afraid to.

So the devastation is huge for the families concerned because no decisive action was taken earlier. It didn't have to be that way for the innocent parties.

People saying 'well they brought it on themselves, why should we care when they didn't' Because people sometimes do utterly stupid things (especially where sex is concerned) and it takes others around them with decency to point out that they are on a path to ruin.

I don't feel great about what this case says about all the individuals in cabinet. Clearly it's a snake pit where loose morals can reign and no one looks out for the best interests of anyone else. Only mercenary motives 'I scratch your back, you scratch mine' appear to be a motivator.

I honestly don't think things would have borne out this way for G&H with Teresa May in charge. I think getting whiff of the scale of the affair, she would have taken the earlier opportunity after the debacle of the care homes as an opportunity handed to her on a plate, to discreetly tell him his position had altogether become untenable and she fully expects his resignation, thus sparing everyone this awful scenario.

DysonSphere · 01/07/2021 10:54

Hasn't Johnson tried to weasel his way out of this one too - it's OK as long as the email was copied to an official account?

What the hell?

Now THIS is what the press should do digging on, but I guess we're all just supposed to go 'Oh really?' Oh that's alright then'

I bet some idiot presenter on the radio or some journo will attempt to give this credence.

Scaredycat87 · 01/07/2021 11:04

Surely anyone who marries Boris knows the score?

Look at the background of these women. Wealthy in their own right and successful highly intelligent women.

They would surely know what the heck they were marring and the risks.

Personally I would not have children with a man like that.

And I like Boris!

Piglet89 · 01/07/2021 11:26

How can someone "like" Boris? Like, seriously.

Blossomtoes · 01/07/2021 11:38

@Piglet89

How can someone "like" Boris? Like, seriously.
I know but it’s so prevalent. A friend said to me the other day that as long as taxi drivers are saying “Good old Boris” we’re fucked. Some of the talking heads before the last general election were horrifying, people voted for Johnson because “He’s a bit of a laugh”. I’m just too old for all this.
SueSaid · 01/07/2021 11:53

So how does this deselection thing happen, I don't know anything about it. Is it just demanded by constituents and mumsentters or does it have to follow a judicial process?

I repeat, what he did was wrong and he had to resign but footage obtained covertly should not be publicised when there are families and dc affected by the gratuitous images.

ScribblyBaller · 01/07/2021 11:56

People think Boris is their chum. I remember some steelworkers being vox popped and they insisted there was no way Boris would ever let them down.