Matt Hancock affair (3)

[TheoMeo]

Surely you would have cameras in a Government building and surely pointing it at doorways between different areas or departments isn't a bad idea.
It looks like a screenshot of a cctv security camera monitor.

'Furloughed on 80%'
'One of the most generous provisions by any country'z

'Yes, I will remember that'

Yes me too.

Of course many people have suffered, its been a pandemic! none of this was supposed to enrich people's lives but it was necessary to control the surges.

Everytime I see a 'freedom march' I wonder wtf they would have done differently. I mean we've had the marvellous 'enough is enough' and #imdone but barring that no actual concrete ideas on why Prof Whjtty and Sir Patrick Vallance's advice should have been ignored for a load of placard waving outraged folk.

The pandemic has been awful for many, many people. The armchair critics have made it a million times worse with their silly tin hat theories.

Their education has been messed up. And many are being charged full fees for a dismal university experience. Which also looks set to continue next year, many universities are going to continue with online lectures.

Yes the furlough was good. Many of us have benefitted from that. However the government has also given their friends and donors a lot of business, and in many areas they have reacted too late.

Personally I have been fine. And I have got my family through it.

However the amount of stress that has been placed on our education staff has been immense.

We have had furlough but our NHS staff have only had a 1 per cent payrise. And they have as ever given their all.

I don't know how true it is but locally there is lots of talk about the people who have taken these loans and then shut the business so they don't have to pay it back, I have no idea how it works but that seems bad. Also businesses who have claimed furlough for people but they have been working, I suspect a local business I was dealing with did this but I can't prove it.

The future voters will also be the future tax payers paying this back their whole lives.

@JaniieJones

'Furloughed on 80%' 'One of the most generous provisions by any country'z

'Yes, I will remember that'

Yes me too.

Of course many people have suffered, its been a pandemic! none of this was supposed to enrich people's lives but it was necessary to control the surges.

Everytime I see a 'freedom march' I wonder wtf they would have done differently. I mean we've had the marvellous 'enough is enough' and #imdone but barring that no actual concrete ideas on why Prof Whjtty and Sir Patrick Vallance's advice should have been ignored for a load of placard waving outraged folk.

The pandemic has been awful for many, many people. The armchair critics have made it a million times worse with their silly tin hat theories.

You are aware who has been ignoring Whitty and Vallance's advice the most aren't you?

One Boris Johnson.

Anyway, yesterday you were keen to say that if there has been wrongdoing it will all come to light in the inquiry.
Given that Priti Patel's bullying and breaking of the ministerial code was documented in an inquiry, do you agree that the Prime Minister should have sacked her?

@JaniieJones

'Furloughed on 80%' 'One of the most generous provisions by any country'z

'Yes, I will remember that'

Yes me too.

Of course many people have suffered, its been a pandemic! none of this was supposed to enrich people's lives but it was necessary to control the surges.

Everytime I see a 'freedom march' I wonder wtf they would have done differently. I mean we've had the marvellous 'enough is enough' and #imdone but barring that no actual concrete ideas on why Prof Whjtty and Sir Patrick Vallance's advice should have been ignored for a load of placard waving outraged folk.

The pandemic has been awful for many, many people. The armchair critics have made it a million times worse with their silly tin hat theories.

On the subject of making things much worse, will you join me in condemning the Prime Minister's decision to keep India off the red list for so long and more generally for failing to take control of the UK's borders.

Exclusive: Camera ‘switched to catch Matt Hancock’ CCTV ‘deliberately turned from balcony to door where minister kissed aide’

There wouldn't have been anything to catch if he'd remembered his marriage vows. Also remembered that he went to the office to work, not to snog his mistress.

I don't know.

I've been thinking about this and about the children. About my responses and that of the wider social mediaverse and I think in reflection that it's all wrong and the newspaper went too far with publishing the CCTV video of them kissing.

The video will be seen by their children, their children's close friendship circle, their friends mums and dads, their teachers. Bloody humiliating for them.

I think it was irresponsible and a step too far. I'm not sure where the boundary could have been set, but the video I think looking back is a no no.

It's national shaming. Monica Lewinsky has a TED talk about being shamed to the point of wanting to kill herself.

It's all a bit much and I have zero pity for MH - he sounds heartless - but as a woman with adult children I do wonder how Gina's mental health is.

This sort of public shaming ought to be applied to criminals. No one else.

@DysonSphere

I don't know.

I've been thinking about this and about the children. About my responses and that of the wider social mediaverse and I think in reflection that it's all wrong and the newspaper went too far with publishing the CCTV video of them kissing.

The video will be seen by their children, their children's close friendship circle, their friends mums and dads, their teachers. Bloody humiliating for them.

I think it was irresponsible and a step too far. I'm not sure where the boundary could have been set, but the video I think looking back is a no no.

It's national shaming. Monica Lewinsky has a TED talk about being shamed to the point of wanting to kill herself.

It's all a bit much and I have zero pity for MH - he sounds heartless - but as a woman with adult children I do wonder how Gina's mental health is.

This sort of public shaming ought to be applied to criminals. No one else.

I agree with you. I’m not condoning their behaviour, but the paper went too far. Not that I’d expect anything else of The Sun, and I absolutely think someone set MH up, and I think we all have a fair idea who that was. He was meant to resign when the texts revealing Boris called him ‘fucking useless’ were leaked and he didn’t and lots of people speculated what he’d do next to bring down Hancock and there it was. Then when he didn’t resign immediately the actually CCTV footage was leaked.

The press had obviously known about his affair with Gina for a while, the DM had printed an article about her appointment at the start of the year and it was obvious at the time they were in insinuating they were having an affair. They also printed lots of random stories about MH and his kids and then one of him out with his wife which they usually do to celebrities when there is a story they want to tell but can’t. See Philip Schofield, Ant McPartlin and others.

Clearly someone knew he was getting it on with her in his office (doubt it was the first time), and set him up. It’s so shitty on the kids.

Yes, there is a certain callous disregard of how painful it must be for their spouses and children to see that on video and how humiliating it must be for them to know that the nation has seen it too. Out of interest @DysonSphere would you think it any better if only stills had been published?

Gina’s eldest child is no older than 12. Probably just about to start senior school this year. Poor girl.

That said, one risk management warning that is used in my profession is “do not put in an email or letter anything that you would not be happy to see on the front page of the Sun”. Gina and Matt would have done well to think about “do not behave in a way that you would be ashamed for your children to see”.

Everyone is a “future voter”!!

I will vote again. In. The. Future.

* Anyway, anyone furloughed isn't a future voter.*

I was furloughed

I plan to vote again. In the future

@JaniieJones

'Furloughed on 80%' 'One of the most generous provisions by any country'z

'Yes, I will remember that'

Yes me too.

Of course many people have suffered, its been a pandemic! none of this was supposed to enrich people's lives but it was necessary to control the surges.

Everytime I see a 'freedom march' I wonder wtf they would have done differently. I mean we've had the marvellous 'enough is enough' and #imdone but barring that no actual concrete ideas on why Prof Whjtty and Sir Patrick Vallance's advice should have been ignored for a load of placard waving outraged folk.

The pandemic has been awful for many, many people. The armchair critics have made it a million times worse with their silly tin hat theories.

This

I think the problem is would the govt have done anything if the video hadn't been released? I don't think they would so either it was aired and MH lost his job or it would be another thing swept under the carpet.

I'm not sure who it was, I know lots are convinced it was DC but lots were saying it was a bug in a fire alarm and now it looks like it was a legit cctv but maybe pointing the wrong way.

I don't see it as him being set up, no one made him do it, isn't a set up when you are tricked into doing something not when you are caught out.

It is a shame for their partners and their children but that is 100% on MH and GC.

They could have exposed it in a less grim way. They also had pictures of him on cosy dinner dates with her, they didn’t need to leak the CCTV.

I don't think criminals should be named and shamed - they should be tried in a court of law and take the due punishment if found guilty

Some believe that the behaviour of Hancock and Co has broken the law, in which case they should be tried. But so far when they do something wrong their response is 'So what?'

@VeganFishFingers

They could have exposed it in a less grim way. They also had pictures of him on cosy dinner dates with her, they didn’t need to leak the CCTV.

Certainly they would not have needed to leak the CCTV if the Prime Minister had not failed to sack a Health Secretary who he knew was useless.

@VeganFishFingers

They could have exposed it in a less grim way. They also had pictures of him on cosy dinner dates with her, they didn’t need to leak the CCTV.

That would have been dismissed, we'd all be condemned if two old uni friends who work together can't go out for a meal.

@HaveringWavering
would you think it any better if only stills had been published?

That's what I can't decide. I'd like to say no, that only an actual headline with details would have been sufficient, however as has been pointed out would he have gone? But then does that matter as much as the principle, of the damage done to the children? Of the possible mental health problems - that, lets face it, the children could now experience - plenty young people struggle with depression.

I think this comes down to Boris Johnson, if he knew of the affair he ought to have taken action to remove MH earlier. He didn't, and then either caused him to be set up or rode the wave without putting a breaker on it. A weak move.

Also what does it say about us as a society. We've - I - have become increasingly voyeuristic. All the memes are very funny, but it's fun at two families disaster, which when you step away is quite disquieting.

[quote DysonSphere]@HaveringWavering
would you think it any better if only stills had been published?

That's what I can't decide. I'd like to say no, that only an actual headline with details would have been sufficient, however as has been pointed out would he have gone? But then does that matter as much as the principle, of the damage done to the children? Of the possible mental health problems - that, lets face it, the children could now experience - plenty young people struggle with depression.

I think this comes down to Boris Johnson, if he knew of the affair he ought to have taken action to remove MH earlier. He didn't, and then either caused him to be set up or rode the wave without putting a breaker on it. A weak move.

Also what does it say about us as a society. We've - I - have become increasingly voyeuristic. All the memes are very funny, but it's fun at two families disaster, which when you step away is quite disquieting.[/quote]
If MH had not wanted any of that to happen he could have done the honorable thing...

I suppose he could have resigned on Thursday night when he knew the photos were being published the following day.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/shamed-matt-hancock-could-face-24426074

possible deselection.

[quote DysonSphere]@HaveringWavering
would you think it any better if only stills had been published?

That's what I can't decide. I'd like to say no, that only an actual headline with details would have been sufficient, however as has been pointed out would he have gone? But then does that matter as much as the principle, of the damage done to the children? Of the possible mental health problems - that, lets face it, the children could now experience - plenty young people struggle with depression.

I think this comes down to Boris Johnson, if he knew of the affair he ought to have taken action to remove MH earlier. He didn't, and then either caused him to be set up or rode the wave without putting a breaker on it. A weak move.

Also what does it say about us as a society. We've - I - have become increasingly voyeuristic. All the memes are very funny, but it's fun at two families disaster, which when you step away is quite disquieting.[/quote]
Good post @DysonSphere

@MercyBooth

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/shamed-matt-hancock-could-face-24426074 possible deselection.

What does deselection mean?

'Their education has been messed up. And many are being charged full fees for a dismal university experience. Which also looks set to continue next year, many universities are going to continue with online lectures.'

Yes education has been 'messed up'. What would you have suggested, to let them all carry on attending school and have far more infections, hospitalisations and deaths?

Some of you seem to live in cloud cuckoo land. Even with all the restrictions critical care had a massive amount of patients. Not just 'winter bed pressures' but in units with say 25 ICU beds they had 80 ICU patients spread all over the hospital in pop up ICUs. Imagine if everyone had just been left to carry on as normal how catastrophic it would have been. Yes there is an economic and mh price for lockdown but there is a far greater price to pay for not having lockdowns and restrictions.

'will you join me in condemning the Prime Minister's decision to keep India off the red list for so long and more generally for failing to take control of the UK's borders.'

Yes I agree with you there. Should've been the beginning of April. I mean who tf was flying in from India anyway and why was it allowed at all and no I don't think Patel should have been sacked for 'bullying'. There were mitigating circumstances. Nothing had been highlighted at the time which surely is vital and the department apparently had not been supported. A woman in a senior position shouting is not bullying, it is shouting. Very different to an independent inquiry into covid contracts.

Deselection means that he wouldn't be able to stand again as the Tory candidate it that constituency. Since no election is due, it's not a big threat - he can spend time investigating lucrative financial deals for when the next election happens.