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Declined Annual Leave, AIBU?

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blaisealex · 26/06/2021 18:57

The whole family was hit by a sickness bug this week meaning DH ended up being off work for four days, Tuesday to Friday.

He requested annual leave rather than losing money. This request was declined. Surely, this is unfair? The company don't pay sick pay. It's going to leave our family short by three hundred pounds next month which will mean we struggle to buy food next month and fuel our cars to get to and from work.

He has always used annual leave to cover sickness before and that has never been a problem. Only recently a colleague used AL when he was off with an injured knee.

So, AIBU to think this isn't fair and is there anything we can do?

OP posts:
FlaminEckVera · 27/06/2021 11:31

@Kitkat151

It’s really bad how so many people on here don’t get sick pay....it shocks me ( I’m NHS ) ..... it must be such a worry , the thought of being ill and not being able to work.....I had 8 months off sick last year..... and the last thing I needed to worry about was not getting paid.

This. ^ People who get paid for being off sick (these days,) are very fortunate. I am, but my DH isn't. There are a shocking amount of people who get less than £100 a week if they're off sick. Even if they're off for MONTHS. The financial impact can be devastating.

As a pp said, it's very common in retail, hospitality, and care, and in many factories, and blue-collar jobs... I am shocked that so many people thought every person got full sick pay when they're off. I know MANY people who don't.

As I said earlier in the thread, my DH was off work for 10 weeks a few years ago, after an operation, and it took us about a year and a half to recover financially, as he lost almost £2000 in wages, just from those 10 weeks. I was a low earner then (as I worked part time coz we had young kids,) and our outgoings were higher.

Fortunately, I now have a better paid job, our outgoings are lower, and the kids have left home, so we can comfortably afford for him to have time off if he needs it. But yeah, WE have been in the OP's position, and it stinks!

I know several couples who lost their home and went under, because their DH was off on sick leave for 4 to 6 months, and he lost about £6000, to £7000 in wages. They literally never recovered from it.

One man in one of the couples I know was actually laid off about a month after he came back to work, and only got about £2,000 redundancy money. Didn't last 5 minutes. That couple is now on benefits with their full rent being paid, and has been for 5 years. If they had had more financial help, (when he was off sick,) they would both still have their home, and he may still have a job.

The whole system needs overhauling, people need to have at LEAST two thirds of their normal pay when they are off sick (preferably all of it,) and zero hours contracts need to be limited to under 18s! The vast majority of jobs should offer 24 hours a week or more. Guaranteed every week. (And the ones that aren't 24 hours a week, should be 18 hours a week minimum.) And these hours should be written into the employment contract, so they cannot be dropped, and the employee knows where they stand financially, and can't get screwed around with having to pay back tax credits and housing benefit and suchlike...

I saw 3 jobs advertised in a major supermarket last week. 5 hours a week each. 5 fucking hours. (With extra hours when needed!) That's so they can call you up when they need extra staff, and you will get 20-25 hours that week, and when it's not busy, BACK down to 5 hours a week you go.

No-one can live on 5 hours pay, so people end up claiming tax credits and housing benefits, and then get a few extra hours a few weeks later, and end up having to pay back all the tax credits and housing benefits they were given! Hmm

It's a shitshow, and when I was younger and first working (1980s,) this would NEVER have happened. I worked in a factory in the mid 1980s, and they tried to cut the hours from 40 a week to 32 to save money, and everyone went on strike. The way employees are treated these days, by MANY companies is fucking disgusting.

And I agree with the posters on here saying the people who are saying 'you should automatically save' and 'why does he not get another (better) job' are smug and rude and clueless! FFS, I know people in their TWENTIES, with University degrees - from bloody good Universities - who can't get a bastard job on a checkout in Tesco. How the fuck do you think the OP's DH can just walk out of his job and into something BETTER?!

Fucking twits. Hmm

KingdomScrolls · 27/06/2021 11:48

All workplaces should have an ill health capability policy, which will have certain triggers for occ health referrals, stage one reviewed etc to ensure the person's health is adequately supported at work. If his HR record is showing annual leave rather than sickness absence the record is inaccurate and any patterns are not identifiable.
Whether companies should pay sick pay or whether SSP should be more than the pittance it is, are separate questions (yes and yes).

KingdomScrolls · 27/06/2021 11:56

DH and I both work for the MOJ, we get six months full pay followed by six months half pay sickness absence, plus consolidated hours and flexitime to accommodate our childcare needs, and decent pensions. Which is why when DH says he'd earn more as a tradesman than he does for managing the risk of and delivering psychiatric interventions to people who have killed others/committed sexual offences etc, I remind him of the other benefits we have. It's really shit in a lot of the private sector.

Tistheseason17 · 27/06/2021 12:15

It is rubbish, but oddly not using annual leave for sick pay is actually meant to benefit the employee. It means that if they are sick when they have booked holiday, they can call in sick and still have the holiday at another time ie they are not forced to take/lose annual leave when sick.

And the 3 day waiting period is to reduce people taking 1-3 days off fully paid for a minor ailment - employers see this a lot when people phone in sick after a night out. Again, the poor behaviour of others affects those who genuinely need it. Sorry.

blaisealex · 27/06/2021 21:01

Hah! Happy Sunday. Have managed to sell my last most treasured possession on Ebay for three hundred quid. So we're all good for next month!

OP posts:
Tistheseason17 · 27/06/2021 21:05

Gutted for you, OP. 😢 It was treasured for a reason.
It's just rubbish for you.

Memedru · 28/06/2021 06:48

It's hard isnt it, my partner in his previous job would only get paid ssp!

He works for a company now tho, they do it in 3 periods, first period of sick, full pay, 2nd period, he loses his shift bonus, which is about £30 and 3rd period it would be ssp! But if you are on your 3rd period, and you need long term sick, over a month off, they will pay you full!

timeisnotaline · 28/06/2021 07:05

I wish a series of karmic events on some posters in this thread. The kind that drain their magical emergency funds and have them wondering how to pay their bills for months on end. Regrettably personal experience seems the only way to gain empathy for some very unimaginative people with little grasp of real life across society.

icelollycraving · 28/06/2021 07:18

Hi op, I’m glad you managed to get some money but really sorry you needed to sell something precious to get it. There have always been some arses on MN but some of these people live in such a lucky bubble.

AlexaShutUp · 28/06/2021 07:20

It's crap that you had to sell your treasured possession, OP. Flowers

PatchworkElmer · 28/06/2021 07:32

Really sorry you had to sell something so special to you, OP.

I had an employer who didn’t pay sick pay. It was ridiculous because obviously everyone (myself included) did what you’ve referenced and came in when really unwell. It’s the reason I left the job in the end. Obviously I’m lucky that I was able to make the move to an employer who did offer it- sounds like it’s standard in your industry to duck the responsibility.

Ducksarenotmyfriends · 28/06/2021 07:35

Well said @FlaminEckVera.

Wtf is happening with unions in this country? Declining membership? This absolutely needs to change and we can only do so collectively.

timeisnotaline · 28/06/2021 07:35

I hope one day you can buy something you love and fit into your heart alongside where your treasured possession had a spot.

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