Matt Hancock affair (2)

[TheoMeo]

Looks like we might need a new thread.

@Thewinterofdiscontent

Any other laws people break frequently, MP’s would be expected to face the same penalties as anyone else, not be told they needed to be morally superior ie speeding.

We all know Covid rules and guidance could be tighter but we didn’t want police and passes to leave the house. Presumably he’s just snogging his wife and his mistress both of whom he sees everyday.. If he’s been snogging randoms up and down the country then yeah but he’s had Covid and had two vaccines. There’s little risk.

I think he should resign as a sign he’s listening to the people.

To your speeding comparison, if a minister brought in increased speeding restrictions in response to a surge in speeding related deaths, and went on tv frequently to tell people how important it was that everyone follow the new reduced speeding limits, and was then caught speeding, I think that would be viewed differently to a member of the public speeding.

@Clavinova

What would Matt Hancock have to do to convince you that he was utterly incompetent and completely unsuited to being Health Secretary?

Can you explain to me why Germany's Covid deaths have risen from 10,000 in October 2020 to over 91,000 now? Last year I was told that Germany's response was so good because Angela Merkel was a scientist. Keir Starmer was praising Germany's Covid App in the House of Commons. Clearly not so easy after all.

I take it from your answer to my question, or rather the lack of answer that there is nothing that Hancock could do that you think would be worth him resigning for.

The mood is boiling on talk-ins, absolutely boiling. His position is totally untenable but Johnson feels the culling knife ever closer to him.

Are we now talking about the waste of £37billion Track and Trace that has been proven to not have provided an tangible impact on Covid figures that have lead to death?

This of course was handed to another crony, good old Dido. They're now lining her up to be head of NHS
God help us

I believe Tokyo is considering Whataboutery as a demonstration sport this year for the Olympics so a lot of advanced training and practice is needed

🤣😁😂😂😂

@Roussette

Are we now talking about the waste of £37billion Track and Trace that has been proven to not have provided an tangible impact on Covid figures that have lead to death?

This of course was handed to another crony, good old Dido. They're now lining her up to be head of NHS
God help us

You are not wrong. At some point though the dam of lies will burst and all the turds hiding behind it will come pouring out.

I take it from your answer to my question, or rather the lack of answer that there is nothing that Hancock could do that you think would be worth him resigning for.

If he was having trysts with Gina Coladangelo at the same time as Neil Ferguson last year then definitely - April/May this year I'm undecided.

Clavinova reminds me of a twin set and blue rinse home counties version of this

I'm not that old - I don't have many grey hairs to rinse.

@Clavinova

What would Matt Hancock have to do to convince you that he was utterly incompetent and completely unsuited to being Health Secretary?

Can you explain to me why Germany's Covid deaths have risen from 10,000 in October 2020 to over 91,000 now? Last year I was told that Germany's response was so good because Angela Merkel was a scientist. Keir Starmer was praising Germany's Covid App in the House of Commons. Clearly not so easy after all.

No-one is saying it is easy. No-one has all the answers. No-one remotely responsible would claim that they do.

MH could have NOT allowed hundred if not thousands of elderly people in poor health, admitted to hospital, to be sent back to their care homes without being tested for Covid. They had symptoms consistent with Covid. Some of them, it turned out, did have Covid. But by then they were back in their care homes and had already infected other people, some of whom died. Other elderly residents, also staff members caring for them.

That is only one of many appalling decisions he has made. You don't have to be a scientist or a public health expert to know that that was a stupid and reckless decision. It was made by MH with Boris Johnson's endorsement. It was not a mistake, it was a deliberate decision.

I won't be debating this with you because basically there is nothing to debate. If you genuinely believe this didn't happen, you are delusional. If you accept that it happened and think it is acceptable, then you are lacking in basic humanity.

@Roussette No, I am not vouching for him. Read my other posts.

What I don't like is the posting of opinion as facts.

You might think it's just 1.5% but elections have been won and lost on small margins.

Fewer than half of all people think he should go. That's what your figures say but you twist it to look like a majority.

@Clavinova

I take it from your answer to my question, or rather the lack of answer that there is nothing that Hancock could do that you think would be worth him resigning for.

If he was having trysts with Gina Coladangelo at the same time as Neil Ferguson last year then definitely - April/May this year I'm undecided.

Clavinova reminds me of a twin set and blue rinse home counties version of this

I'm not that old - I don't have many grey hairs to rinse.

You have failed to answer the question as to what Hancock would have to do that you would condemn twice, presumably because there is not an answer.

Roussette
Are we now talking about the waste of £37billion Track and Trace

Test and Trace - £37bn is the budget up to April 2022 - they haven't spent £37bn yet. Most of the budget is spent on testing.

If he was having trysts with Gina Coladangelo at the same time as Neil Ferguson last year then definitely - April/May this year I'm undecided

So let me get this right...

The rules are OK to break if you only break them a little bit? Is that OK?

How many snogs are allowable?
What about swapping bodily fluids whilst lying down?

Come off of it... rules are rules when you are the one setting them. To just break them a teensy bit shows you up to be a total fraud.

You have failed to answer the question as to what Hancock would have to do

I have answered.

I know that. I know the £37Billion is up to April 22.

The point is, it was handed to a crony with a very poor track record and it has been proven to have had little impact.

@Clavinova I'm quite bewildered as to how you can think Hancock's behaviour is ok.

Maybe she’s a mistress of another Tory ?

Hancock getting sacked or resigning for this will be like Harold Shipman being struck off being a doctor for filling in prescriptions incorrectly.

Lucinda

I have already corrected my post. You saying 'fewer than half' could mean anything, it could mean 2%

Let's see another poll early part of next week, betcha it will be far higher than 49% as more sleaze drips out.

This story is not finished.

@Roussette

Lucinda

You are splitting hairs OK, it isn't over 50%. 1.5% off then. Of 6,500 adults. Got you.

Vouch for him all you like, if that's your thing.

But you’re right, it is the majority. The remainder is split between those who don’t think he should be sacked and those who don’t know. It’s a majority by first past the post.

I'm pissed off. Happily married, me. But young people like DD have put their dating lives on hold through lockdowns, cautiously re-entering the dating game through chaste meet ups on park benches. Seems they should have just carried on regardless

@Clavinova

You have failed to answer the question as to what Hancock would have to do

I have answered.

Fine. Your answer is that you would defend Hancock no matter what he does. I doubt anyone here is suprised.

The rules are OK to break if you only break them a little bit? Is that OK?

Perhaps yes - with an apology. Everyone I know has broken the rules/guidelines a little bit. I didn't hug my parents earlier in the year for their own safety and neither did my siblings - we don't regret that choice because of Matt Hancock.

@shallIswim

I'm pissed off. Happily married, me. But young people like DD have put their dating lives on hold through lockdowns, cautiously re-entering the dating game through chaste meet ups on park benches. Seems they should have just carried on regardless

Yes I am sure many are annoyed they did not hook up with other people’s spouse etc too. Not that is right but many probably being otherwise better behaved!

But young people like DD have put their dating lives on hold through lockdowns, cautiously re-entering the dating game through chaste meet ups on park benches. Seems they should have just carried on regardless

That is a very good point.

Ditto my DD. She has frozen her socks off with someone she met, just endless walking round and round a park in the cold, and sat 6foot apart on a park bench.
She is very much a 'rules' girl and did what she was supposed to do.

Matt Handjob made a mockery of that

your speeding comparison, if a minister brought in increased speeding restrictions in response to a surge in speeding related deaths, and went on tv frequently to tell people how important it was that everyone follow the new reduced speeding limits, and was then caught speeding, I think that would be viewed differently to a member of the public speeding.

Exactly. So if it’s just “ guidance” as it was in May he’s not breaking any law is he.