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To be upset about crap birthday gifts from friends?

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AMidsummerNight · 22/06/2021 22:49

Short version: I am in a tight group of four friends and we do joint presents. Mine always cost less and are crappy whereas theirs are always really good, and I have to pay for them.

For Context:
We have been friends as a group of four, for 3 years. We met through work. They were all friends with each other before I joined the group, they lived together in a flat for a year before I got close with them. I spent a lot of time at their flat for girls nights and we also had a lot of nights out together. Friend C has now moved out of the flat and has her own place in another part of the UK. I am now living elsewhere so there's just Friend A and B still in the flat together. We don't meet up as a group very often anymore. They are my closest friends, but it can't be denied that they are closer to each other than they are with me (probably because they knew each other before and have lived with each other/are still living with each other)

For our birthdays we do group presents - so the other three all chip in for the fourth person's present. There is always a group chat created to discuss what present we are getting and how much we each need to pay towards it. I have a lot less money than all three of them but always pay whatever is needed, even if it's difficult. Every year I am part of three group 'birthday' chats on FB to discuss what we are buying for the 'birthday girl'. I never usually get a say in what is bought because the other two always come in with ideas from the start, based on what they know the person will want because of what they have said they want, or seem to need. I always feel a bit left out and useless because I don't live with them/haven't known them as long and so don't know what they have said/hinted at. This means that I just have to say 'yes that sounds good' and then pay whatever my share of the price works out to be.

I have noticed that each year I am always the one who has the least spent on me. I know this from googling what my gift cost, or just knowing the price. Due to Covid preventing us all from meeting up and all living in different parts of the country, I haven't yet had my birthday present from last November. The plan is to all meet up next month for a group birthday celebration and exchanging of presents that three of us haven't yet had. So I don't yet know what my present for this year is, but the last two years my gifts from all three of them were:

Year one: A bottle of pink gin, a bottle of (cheap) wine, box of Ferrero Rocher and a mini bag of Thornton's chocolates. Can't have been more than about 30 pounds. Meaning about 10 pounds each.
Year two: A small bottle of organic gin liquor and a few packs of socks from Primark...I googled the exact gin and found that it was 10 pounds. The packs of socks can't have been more than 20 pounds altogether. So that's 30, again about 10 pounds each (and that's being generous because the socks might not have been that much.)

As I said, I still don't know what my gift from last year is and will find out next month. Because their birthdays all fall earlier in the year than mine, I have now paid towards presents for all three of them, for three years. All of them have worked out as a minimum of 15 pounds per person, sometimes a lot more. In 2019 the long list of presents for friend A came to around 70 pounds, which I think was about 23 pounds per person. She got really expensive Ciroc vodka, perfume, jewellery etc...this year she is getting new trainers, an ear ring hanger and a personalised mug. Last year she got a Onesie that cost 70 pounds. Friend B has had coffee from Whittards 'because she loves it', books that she likes, clothes, perfume....Friend C has had a really expensive, fancy bra and a canvas painting of her favourite piece of artwork. Friend A in 2019 was the most expensive and I don't think it was fair to any of the other three of us because none of us have ever had 70 pounds worth of presents. But all of their presents have always been 15, 16, 17, or even 23 pounds each. While my two cannot have been more than 10 each, if not less than that.

It's not just about the money. It's that my presents have always been the generic alcohol and chocolates, whereas theirs have always been more thought out items that they know the person wants. I know that the three of them have known each other longer and are therefore closer/perhaps know more what they want/more inclined to spend money on each other, but I do talk to all of them every day, we have a group chat...and I have mentioned authors that I love and things I would love to buy but can't afford (which is usually how they decide on presents for each other). They know that I love books by Sophie Kinsella and that there a few new ones out that I don't yet have, they know that I want the full set of The Lord of The Rings and Harry Potter, they know that I love candles and have wanted a nail set for ages but would never justify buying it for myself. Yet all I've had is alcohol and chocolates that cannot have come to more than 10 pounds per person. And three years in a row I have been paying out amounts like 15, 17, 23 for each of them to have thoughtful presents.

The celebrations are not equal either. For Friend A's birthday in 2019, as well as all the presents totalling 70 pounds, we went to a really posh cocktail bar, then an escape room and then back to the flat for takeaway. All had to be paid for by ourselves and I wasn't even asked about the escape room. The three of them agreed on it between them and I just got a message from Friend B saying 'I paid for your escape room ticket so you owe me 16 pounds'. I couldn't actually afford it at the time but couldn't really decline in that situation. I've always been of the opinion that if you want to do something for your birthday that your guests are expected to pay for, you need to check with them first before going ahead and booking it and then demanding money.

My partner, mother and other friends have said I need to tell this group of friends that I no longer want to join in with the group birthday presents. They think I'm being taken advantage of. I've been trying to work out for a while now what's happening - whether it's a conscious, deliberate thing to spend less on me or whether it's simply a case of not knowing what to get me and just going with the cheap/easy options. Even then, if it were me I would be saying 'ok so we have no idea what she really wants but she has paid a lot towards all of our expensive presents so let's get her the BEST chocolates and the BEST gin we possibly can, and throw in some perfume and smellies to make it up to the amount that we always have spent on us'.

My partner and others think I should just end this friendship. But I'm torn. I don't know whether I'm just being vain. So...I need other opinions. AIBU to be upset about the gift situation and if my gift for this year isn't decent, tell them I'm opting out of the group present buying?

OP posts:
QueenBee52 · 23/06/2021 12:59

I understand OP... completely 🌸

Drumstick38 · 23/06/2021 13:04

How old are you all? Following your update, I'd just leave this group behind. It's not nice to feel left out, they sound very demanding and high maintenance too.

ElderMillennial · 23/06/2021 13:07

I buy my adult friends gifts.

Since when are gifts only for children?

KimmyAndMe · 23/06/2021 13:17

@AMidsummerNight

Wow! My DD could have written your last post. Exactly the same happened with her college friendship group. 4 girls. None who really got to meet up because of covid restrictions. Friends A and B regularly had WhatsApp discussions between themselves. When restrictions lifted so that people could meet up outdoors keeping 2m apart friend C asked in group chat if anyone would like to meet up for a walk. DD was up for it. A couldn’t make it so B didn’t want to go without A. DD and C went - all all hell broke loose! They are 18.

All through DD’s friendships there has always been one “Miss popular”, one who sucks up to miss popular and two who are either seen as valuable one minute (when it suits Miss Popular), or dropped because she is becoming close with another member of the group, or someone outside of the group.

Anyway DD and friend C weighed up whether they wanted to be dragged along as part of the group or split from them and arrange things for the two of them. They removed themselves from the group and now enjoy meeting up just the two of them of with others. Life is so much easier.

Binkybix · 23/06/2021 13:18

I'm not sure everyone on this thread is fully appreciating the difference between presents like Ciroc vodka (big bottle), a onesie, a fancy bra, necklace, perfume, Whittards coffee, trainers, pasta maker, earring hanger, incense burner..vs gin liquor (very small bottle), Primark socks, chocolate. Not sure how people can justify that disparity!

I understand the disparity. I just don’t think they need to justify their choice to spend more on their friends, particularly because they offered to cover you!

I don’t know - it all sounds like very hard work. When we were younger my friendship group may have had the odd thing like this, but tbh we’ve grown up since then. Maybe it just comes with age.

Newkitchen123 · 23/06/2021 13:26

Just read your last post
The whole lot seems like hard work
I couldn't be arsed with the drama

QueenBee52 · 23/06/2021 13:29

Neither can OP hence asking for advice... 🙄

Grendalsmum · 23/06/2021 13:32

I don't buy into the idea that if people really like you they will know what you want. DP really likes me but would be totally buggered present-wise without my trusty amazon list, and vice-versa. I love him mightily but have no idea what he wants unless he tells me. My oldest friend is a similar mystery - l just ask now, it saves so much energy! She spends quite a lot on me but likes it to be a surprise and sometimes it's loverly and just what l would have chosen and sometimes it's Um, WTF?

I think your problem isn't so much the gifts as the fact that you don't feel that you matter to them as much as they matter to you. As you can't change them, you need to change how you behave instead. The gifts are making you feel bad so cap your contribution or opt out altogether. Downgrade the other three in your head from besties to mates, if you enjoy their company keep seeing them now and again but step back from the gang as it isn't bringing you joy ...

Tiredmum100 · 23/06/2021 13:44

Sounds like a lot of a head work to be honest. Do you want to stay friends with them? If not distance yourself and look for some new friends, which is easier said than done, I know.

Elisandra · 23/06/2021 13:56

This really doesn’t sound like a healthy situation for you to be part of.

But when I said I might not be able to make the group meet up next month because of work, all three of them were trying to come up with ways that I could get there - "could you just come for the evening at least? Could you leave early in the morning?" So now I feel like I'm getting mixed messages.

Done get drawn back in by stuff like this. It’s so easy for them to say “Oh you must come!” but it doesn’t necessarily mean anything much. It makes them feel like they are nice, kind friends, but are they really?

OccaChocca · 23/06/2021 14:01

It sounds like very hard work. I would say that the friendship has run it's course.

Sometimes you need to know when to let go. I doubt this is going to get better. The first thing I would do is drop the group gift buying. That sounds like an utter pain in the arse.

Pepsimirror · 23/06/2021 14:14

Considering you have a partner and other friends. Perhaps like others have suggested is to step back from this group. I’ve been in similar situations but have neither other friends or a partner. You can let them go as you do have other people in your life. You don’t have to be friends with this group.

tallduckandhandsome · 23/06/2021 15:01

I definitely feel like the odd one out in the group and I'm realising that my feelings about the presents are very much to do with this. I have been trying to ignore it and tell myself that I'm being silly to think that they don't value me as much, but it seems from a lot of comments that I should just accept this as a reality.

As I said upthread OP, the present thing is a symptom of a wider issue and your feelings are entirely valid.

Sounds like you're waking up to the reality of this friendship.

todaysdilemma · 23/06/2021 16:04

Just a thought - do they all have partners? Or are you the only one with a partner?

Groups can be weird about this sort of thing - that because someone has a partner they require less fussing over and attention. As you can get it from your partner. Maybe they feel that if some of them are single or don't have many other friends or family, they require more time or better presents from this group?

TankFlyBossW4lk · 23/06/2021 16:18

I think you're getting a hard time on here. I suspect they don't feel as close to you as they do to each other.

What do you get out of the friendships? If you feel they are otherwise good friends to you, presumably each one, individually, then you'll have to just suck it up. If they aren't good friends, then stop seeing them.

Dogoodfeelgood · 23/06/2021 19:01

It’s normal for everyone to feel left out of different groups and your feelings that this is making you sad are entirely valid. It sucks to be excluded. However I would say the fact that they lived together is a pretty clear reason for them feeling closer and for maybe having more 1:1 time. The fact that you’ve got your WhatsApp group that you are on where they are really active does mean that you are included in your own way. I think you might just have to accept that you’re maybe Miranda in the group instead of Carrie/Sam and just take from it the fun that you can without letting it effect you so much. And also definitely push back on the possessive one being insane about you having 1:1 time with the other! If I was you I would actively cultivate individual bonds with your favourites of the group and cement this by buying special individual presents from only yourself for them. That way you can shine as who you are rather than be relegated to some kind of group pecking order. In the future as groups shift and change, your 1:1 friendships will be what maintain you, and you might meet new women and introduce to certain group members and form your own new groups.

Dogoodfeelgood · 23/06/2021 19:07

I’m part of friendship groups where I am definitely the lowly add-on friend but equally part of others where I have brought everyone together myself, so feel very included. I also actively introduce different friends that I think might get along so that I am creating my own strong friendship networks that don’t rely on being “in” with one particular group of people.

The groups where I’m clearly the extra friend I enjoy for what they are (not saying it doesn’t sting slightly if I’m not invited somewhere) and I cultivate 1:1 stronger bonds with particular girlfriends from those groups that I see a strong future with, and leave the “group” aspect as a casual thing that doesn’t impact too much on my sense of worth as a friend, because people with different histories/personalities/current life events will always form their own bonds and it’s not a reflection of my worth if that happens to not include me at that time.

Aparallaxia · 23/06/2021 19:54

Sis is on a shoestring budget and I know that £10 vs £17 to her would be an important difference, so I don't think we can judge the OP for thinking about such "small" distinctions. I also think the OP should back away from this friendship; she'll always be an outsider, as it's not just years that count, but which years they are in your life. They are clearly insensitive and pretty thoughtless. I get the distinct impression they tear her to pieces amongst themselves. But maybe they just don't think about her at all... which isn't good either.

I used to give my sister presents but I found out she'd always google the price of what I gave her. Now I just give her £.

LostRobot · 23/06/2021 20:38

@SpinachAndMushroom

Are you an accountant OP?
On minimum wage? 🤣
Skysblue · 23/06/2021 22:20

I don’t think they’re doing it on purpose.

Subconsciously though… They just don’t love you as much as they love each other. Alcohol and chocs are quite neutral presents, not very personal at all, especially gin twice in a row. They’re sending signals - not deliberately, just instinctively - that this is not the close friendship you think it is.

You don’t have to ditch them. You don’t have to let this continue either. You do have to accept that your friendship with them will never be as meaningful to them as are their friendships with each other.

Next time you’re added to a group present chat, just say “Eek I already got a little something so I’m going to do my own thing this year xx” then leave the chat. Simple.

Do remember that you’ve been disempowering yourself, this wasn’t all about their behaviour. They may know each other better but have you really made zero present suggestions yourself? You had no ideas at all?! And you paid £70 when you could have just said “Sorry guys have already got something.” You aren’t being pressured as much as you think, some of the strange history has come from you.

QueenBee52 · 23/06/2021 23:34

@Skysblue

I don’t think they’re doing it on purpose.

Subconsciously though… They just don’t love you as much as they love each other. Alcohol and chocs are quite neutral presents, not very personal at all, especially gin twice in a row. They’re sending signals - not deliberately, just instinctively - that this is not the close friendship you think it is.

You don’t have to ditch them. You don’t have to let this continue either. You do have to accept that your friendship with them will never be as meaningful to them as are their friendships with each other.

Next time you’re added to a group present chat, just say “Eek I already got a little something so I’m going to do my own thing this year xx” then leave the chat. Simple.

Do remember that you’ve been disempowering yourself, this wasn’t all about their behaviour. They may know each other better but have you really made zero present suggestions yourself? You had no ideas at all?! And you paid £70 when you could have just said “Sorry guys have already got something.” You aren’t being pressured as much as you think, some of the strange history has come from you.

Oh I think they ARE doing it on purpose.

belimoo · 23/06/2021 23:52

This sounds like the film Mean Girls.

Aside from the gift issues, what are you getting out of these friendships? Do you feel happy when you're around these women? Do they make you feel good about yourself and do you enjoy the time with them?

If so, I'd try my best to forget about the gifts and focus on the fun and warmth you have together, reminding yourself that there's more to life.

I suspect though that these friendships don't bring you happiness. There's clearly more to it than the gifts and you need to think about whether you might be happier with a more distant relationship with these people.

You don't have to cut all contact. You can be more distant whilst still having some interactions. But I'd be opting out of the group present buying if I were you.

SandAndSea · 24/06/2021 03:54

OP, I get it.

This is how I see the problem. I think you're spending a lot of time focusing on them: their intentions, what they might mean, how they might feel, why they've done whatever etc. Bottom line: I think you need to bring your attention back to you.

How do you feel?

You sound uncomfortable.
You're not happy.
It's not working for you.

That is all you need to know.

I would take a gentle step back.
I would probably go to the celebration and be gracious, since that's all arranged. But after that, I would just ease off a bit. Put your attention onto things which feel good to you. If they want to know you, they'll step up and if they don't, you'll be off feeling better elsewhere so you won't mind.

LostRobot · 24/06/2021 04:03

Really baffled by a lot of responses.

If this is genuinely about a tiny amount of money each year but the OP considers these her best friends, as she's said, then it is super wierd to care about this. I'd not care who gave me what or what it cost at birthdays let alone google it. That is not normal behaviour.

If the OP feels slightly outside the group as she joined it later, that's a separate issue. It's understandable they have a closer bond with each other if you've joined the group more recently and they used to all live together etc. Often friendship groups like this are closed off from new people

LostRobot · 24/06/2021 04:06

Sorry posted too soon:

It sounds to me like they've been kind and welcoming to you and actually accepting you onto their group present thing was a lovely thing to do to make you feel part of the group. I think you are projecting insecurities onto them and being quite unkind with these comments. Particularly as they said that of you're struggling financially you can just pay what you can afford and they'll pay the rest. I really do not understand your attitude when it sounds like you found a lovely existing group of friends who welcomed you in.

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