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Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 18:57

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

OP posts:

ZednotZee · 17/06/2021 21:12

They should be shot immediately.

Sorry, can you elaborate? I'm uncertain whether you are advocating for mandatory covid shots or actual murder.

BrawScotsLassie · 17/06/2021 21:15

@HappyHill

The vaccine does not prevent transmission. It may protect the vaccinated person but this has not been confirmed by the manufacturers only that it reduces symptoms. New research shows the protein spikes leave the site of the injection and migrate to organs of the body such as ovaries testes liver and brain so if you are still of childbearing age this is something to consider along with your health in general. UK Column have a simple to work version of the yellow card stats you can look at all the government stats for individual health issues related to the adverse events and deaths. Also this site, mumsnet is populated by pharma reps who will always say 'get the vaccine there is no risk' so pleases do your own research. If you do feel forced make sure your employer signs a liability letter you can find on various sites and they will be responsible so is the person who jabs you legally liable so make sure you get their name and all the info on batch numbers ect.

Can you cite the research please?

MsJinks · 17/06/2021 21:16

Another thought - my carer daughter has had both jabs, first one in December- following this she became even more worried about the residents, as she understands she could now catch it with no real symptoms and pass it on - she obviously has the flow tests twice a week - but thinking just jab the carers will sort it is not fully accurate, though I’m not debating it decreases risk just rounding out the story.
I still maintain the language around this to some of the least well rewarded for their hard work and some of the most hard working through the pandemic is not right. I’m no anti vaxxer and believe as many as possible should have all relevant available vaccinations for society’s health - I also might even understand compelling some vaccines - however, this is being handled poorly and causing - yet again - hatred against a lower socio economic sector, so I can’t fully get on board with this one yet.

Lavendersblue11 · 17/06/2021 21:19

As a nurse, I feel it is my duty to get vaccinated as I am in contact with multiple vulnerable people, I guess it's not just about what is right for you but also those you care for.

MRex · 17/06/2021 21:20

Thanks to those like @MissConductUS for posting some facts.

@Maybevaccine - Where you have personal concerns about your risks from a second dose, it's better to talk to your GP so can advise whether the vaccine is a good choice for you or not. It's understandable you wouldn't want to take it to be selfless, most of us have taken it for selfish reasons to protect ourselves and our loved ones from illness. If it means that you need to find a different job, there are plenty of vacancies in the hospitality sector so it shouldn't be too hard to get something that suits.

duffeldaisy · 17/06/2021 21:21

@gamerchick
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Out of interest. If the population is over 66 million. How much is 0.3%"

Exactly. Even if it was only that low, then on paper that's over 220, 000 and that's without any other factors like hospitals being overwhelmed/medical staff getting ill, so it could be way above that. I think that's where I read the 2%, which was factoring in things like that.

RampantIvy · 17/06/2021 21:21

Surely it makes no odds as the risk is with the person who isnt vaccinated.

Unless the unvaccinated person, lives on their own, only goes to work and home and never comes into contact with other people. Then this would be true.

However, if they live with other people, go shopping, go to the pub etc and have the virus wirh no symptoms, and they could spread it unknowingly. So your statement is incorrect.

godmum56 · 17/06/2021 21:26

@RampantIvy

Surely it makes no odds as the risk is with the person who isnt vaccinated.

Unless the unvaccinated person, lives on their own, only goes to work and home and never comes into contact with other people. Then this would be true.

However, if they live with other people, go shopping, go to the pub etc and have the virus wirh no symptoms, and they could spread it unknowingly. So your statement is incorrect.

if you are vaccinated, you don't incubate the virus, you kill it....not only does this mean that you aren't walking around shedding virus, it also means that the virus cannot mutate in you and produce new variants.

Vodkaskirts · 17/06/2021 21:28

Oh ok bet your nice to know in rl

Eilethya · 17/06/2021 21:33

This is a rarity for me in that I'm completely sat on the fence with this one.

One one hand, I do agree that the elderly need as much protection as possible as they're the most vulnerable and their own vaccine isn't going to be as effective as someone much younger. I know it's the circle of life and we all must pop our clogs at some point but if it was my grandparents I would want them to be protected.

On the other hand, it just feels wrong forcing somebody to have a vaccine they don't want. Just doesn't sit right. Even though it's only a needle, it's still a procedure and what if (very big IF) some far flung side effect rears it's head in 10 years time, and we have swathes of people affected just because they couldn't afford to lose their jobs.

It's a horrible situation all round, I feel for all affected by this.

AnnieSnap · 17/06/2021 21:35

Read some proper information on the vaccine- from the NHS if you are unused to reading academic papers (which I expect you are, or you’d have had the vaccine). The NHS has to work on evidence based practice. It’s literature is honest about contraindications and side effects.

When you have done that, get the bloody vaccine or find a job where your choice won’t place vulnerable people at risk.

Ontheblink · 17/06/2021 21:46

Could not believe it when they announced this, wtf are they thinking. I can see there being a huge shortage of care workers for a long time to come. Why not offer an antigen test, to see if they have immunity already??? Or frequent testing??? There are other options for those who feel anxious about taking a vaccine which is new and has no long term data. Bastards

Macmoominmamma · 17/06/2021 21:48

The combined hormone contraceptive pill has roughly the same risk of blood clots, thrombosis etc as AZ, unless you’re a smoker, over 35, suffer from migraines etc in which case the risk is higher. Never hear anyone talking about that.

Simple choice, yours to make.

AnnieSnap · 17/06/2021 21:50

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.

Seriously? You hope to go into medicine and you are paying attention to the antivaxer rhetoric? You have a long way to go!

Cantbebothered2 · 17/06/2021 21:52

After watching a close family member die from covid within 3 days due to going to hospital for a broken bone, I'm sorry but I couldn't give a s#it about your human rights. The hospital told us that our loved one contracted covid in hospital and it was most likely from a selfish member of staff such as yourself. Makes me sick.

baldafrique · 17/06/2021 21:54

Why do you think it was their fault they had COVID? Show some fucking gratitude to NHS staff who have put their lives on the line throughout the past year.

wildchild554 · 17/06/2021 21:57

People saying it stops the virus being transmitted to others, it doesn't, my dad helped me getting my son to hospital for his appointent, my dad is fully vaccinated, I am not vaccinated at all and can't be. He did this not because I asked him to but because it is still a risk he can pass it on to me and I am extremely high risk, I wish people would realise this. I would not judge anyone on their choices on whether or not to have the vaccine. It has to be their choice.

sunnyboy20 · 17/06/2021 21:58

Do what ever you feel is best ..Some people will use guilt and fear to make you feel bad about not having the vaccine ....BTW not everyone can have the vaccine some people have allergic reactions.... The government is using tactics to force these vaccines .. this is wrong .. Have the vaccine or lose your job ???...This is bully boy tactics ...

Cantbebothered2 · 17/06/2021 22:01

@baldafrique if you are referring to my comment, I suggest you don't as you have no idea what you are talking about. A family member of mine died due to staff members refusing the vaccine. A staff enquiry has confirmed that to us. Compassion for the nhs is not something you should preach to me about. I do have compassion for the nhs. I do not have compassion for staff members being selfish.

baldafrique · 17/06/2021 22:02

How on earth can you possibly know they refused the vaccine?! Get a grip.

Cantbebothered2 · 17/06/2021 22:06

As explained, an enquiry. Not that I have to explain anything to you. You are clearly one of the selfish ones too!

baldafrique · 17/06/2021 22:06

Any patient is in contact with numerous clinicians throughout their stay, vaccines arent 100% effective anyway as any fool knows by now and they dont completely stop transmission. Your ire is misplaced and you're bullshitting.

Harmonypuss · 17/06/2021 22:07

I've not read all 30 pages of responses, just the first page so I'm sorry if this has already been said....

If I go to the doctors, hospital, dentist etc, I want to know that the person treating me has taken EVERY precaution possible to make sure they can look after their patients as safely as possible.

That being the case, I would also expect the same in any carrying situation be it a hospital, nursing home or even someone going into private homes in a caring capacity, to do exactly the same.

So, in my opinion, anyone working or wanting to work in any caring profession should have these vaccinations unless they have a serious health issue preventing them from having them but I would also expect those people to be moved to positions where they have less direct contact with the people needing to be card for.

baldafrique · 17/06/2021 22:07

At least I'm not making up stories to make a point but there you go

baldafrique · 17/06/2021 22:08

An enquiry A vaccine status enquiry for every single NHS worker a patient met in hospital. Right you are.

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