Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

Apartheid? That was when black people were discriminated against for something they did not have a choice about and which did not endanger anyone: the colour of their skin. This is not it. It's not forced abortions either.

Anyone noticed "I'm not an antivaxxer, but" has become the new "I'm not racist, but"...

Yes! Also prolific use of words like snowflake and sheep without the tiniest bit of awareness of the irony of it.

Personally I think anyone who uses the word sheep as an insult has automatically lost whatever point they were trying to make and has clearly never met a real sheep, they're not docile follow-the-herd idiots, they're stubborn fuckers and there's no making them go somewhere they don't want to go.

@Lalliella

Get the vaccine or quit your job. It’s not exactly rocket science. You’d be a pretty shit carer anyway if you’d happily put the health of the vulnerable people you’re looking after at risk.

This 💯 all the posters here ‘I’m the worlds best carer ever now they have to survive without me’

Get a grip. If you don’t want to take it find a different job. Problem solved. I’m sure the entire carer sector won’t collapse because @ZednotZee ‘my keto diet protects me from covid’ isn’t around.

And really, in 90% of jobs people are easily replaceable. I see if all the time. I’m under no illusions if I left my job they would train someone up who would be equally as good with time. What’s with the god complex all these posters have.

@Beautiful3

I'm a carer for my father, so not a care home. I'm not having it because the negatives outweighs the need. I'm healthy, young and rarely get sick. It's an experimental vaccine so would rather not. My father had his jabs so he feels protected, there is no concern from him about my choice.

Did you use the wrong word? It’s not experimental?

@AllesAusLiebe

Some of the comments on here are appalling.

You have a right to decide, OP, it's your body and you have autonomy over it. If you decide not to have the vaccine, take your employer to court. It's only when people start standing up to this nonsense that we'll end this absolute fucking tyranny.

The employers have to implement the law. This is the government who is putting it in, it will be passed into law. So do you mean take the government to court to challenge the law, because people should have the right to people at risk of their lives?

Why don’t you take the government to court on this if you’re so keen.

Keep us all posted on how that goes for you.

ffs, its not an experimental vaccine, its been through ALL the usual testing phases, its not been 'fast tracked' or skipped steps.

Its as safe as any other vaccine when its first rolled out.

The only reason it rolled so quickly is because they had money thrown at it and weren't sitting around for months/years waiting for applications for funding to be assessed, or volunteers for testing, because it was in the WORLDS best interest to get it out to the public.

It WORKS. Take the vaccine and stop being such tinfoil hat wearing idiots.

Personally I think anyone who uses the word sheep as an insult has automatically lost whatever point they were trying to make and has clearly never met a real sheep, they're not docile follow-the-herd idiots, they're stubborn fuckers and there's no making them go somewhere they don't want to go.

Quite. The use of the word "sheep" in a post is a red flag to me that indicates a person whose lips move when they read who gets all their news from Facebook and Reddit threads.

Takes all sorts, but these people are in no position to lecture the rest of us on "educating" ourselves....

@thepeopleversuswork

Personally I think anyone who uses the word sheep as an insult has automatically lost whatever point they were trying to make and has clearly never met a real sheep, they're not docile follow-the-herd idiots, they're stubborn fuckers and there's no making them go somewhere they don't want to go.

Quite. The use of the word "sheep" in a post is a red flag to me that indicates a person whose lips move when they read who gets all their news from Facebook and Reddit threads.

Takes all sorts, but these people are in no position to lecture the rest of us on "educating" ourselves....

Agree! Or ‘sheeple’, ugh.

I’m happy to be a sheep if that means I am doing what is needed to keep my flock safe

I'm a nurse. We've had to have certain jabs since I started 35 years back, when we had to have TB and HepB jabs. No-one thinks twice about them now, as no-one will think twice about flu and covid jabs in 10 years time,

Just get the fecking jab. Covid has far more risks and side effects.

@Sirzy

I’m happy to be a sheep if that means I am doing what is needed to keep my flock safe

But they're not keeping the flock safe are they? They're looking after number 1, based on highly impartial and poor information gleaned from shady internet talk boards.

I meant being a “sheep” by getting the vaccine. If getting the vaccine makes me a sheep then I am happy to be a sheep!

Make sure you explain your reluctance to be vaccinated when you go for your interviews for medical school.

Just an interesting (to me at least!) aside - my mother had her first vaccination in a care home, but is now home with a full care package, but is mainly immobile and so housebound. No one seems to give a damn about her second jab whatsoever- I have spoken to the GP surgery a few times, GPs directly twice, and the cv helpline - there is nothing available and no one seems bothered. Her carers take lateral flow tests, I’m double jabbed, as my daughter who would get closer than other daughters and we are all careful. However, it worries her massively and is distressing- my point I guess is that there is all this about carers as if we care about the elderly but actually we’re still as god damn ignorant to these elderly and their welfare.
My uncomfortableness is around these double standards and more blame being attached to some of the least respected and rewarded members of the work force than anywhere else.

Not all people cared for by carers are old. Many of us have children and young adults who are in care settings due to disability.

If I have a 20 year old with autism, epilepsy and a range of allergies and vulnerabilities, care includes keeping them safe from infection.

We all need to get vaccinated. The (tiny) risk now may be slightly greater than the (tiny) risk if COVID in some age groups, but the real risk is that it is the unvaccinated who keep the virus live and mutating, and the next mutation might not be a tiny risk for the young.

It's understandable to be slightly nervous about it. Yes, AZ has caused a few blood clots, yes people have died. But those numbers are so small compared to the risk of a flight causing a blood clot or dying in a car accident. To say nothing of the risk of blood clot, death and long term health problems with Covid.
I know two people who have died of Covid and three with health problems from it. Far more people I know had the vaccine and they had no serious side effects.

Another one here who had no reaction to the Pfizer vaccine. Not even a sore arm really. Felt a bit bruised for about half a day then subsided. I barely knew I'd had it.

alwayswithhope "Get a grip. If you don’t want to take it find a different job. Problem solved. I’m sure the entire carer sector won’t collapse because @ZednotZee ‘my keto diet protects me from covid’ isn’t around.

And really, in 90% of jobs people are easily replaceable. I see if all the time. I’m under no illusions if I left my job they would train someone up who would be equally as good with time. What’s with the god complex all these posters have."

Well, my HCP management took that line, 'if you don't like the impositions we are forcing on you, you can leave'. 40% of the staff just have. The 40% they really couldn't afford to lose.

Turns out they're not 'easily replaceable' after all. And the problem isn't so much 'solved', more 'means you now have to drive 35 miles to access that service'.

@Sirzy

I meant being a “sheep” by getting the vaccine. If getting the vaccine makes me a sheep then I am happy to be a sheep!

Sorry, yes I see what you meant!

(gets down from high horse)

OP if you're planning to go for a medical degree you need to get better at weighing up risk. The risks of long Covid and serious complications from Covid are greater than the risk of the vaccine (particularly as under 40s are offered the Pfizer now) and the vast majority of people have very minor side effects such an aching arm or a slight headache.

The risk to the older people you're working with if you don't get vaccinated is very high, particularly as no vaccine offers 100% protection and most care home residents are at very high risk from the virus.

Obviously it is possible to catch Covid despite the vaccine but the percentage likelihood of getting it in the first place is much lower and the chance of becoming seriously ill or dying from Covid is dramatically reduced.

Well, my HCP management took that line, 'if you don't like the impositions we are forcing on you, you can leave'. 40% of the staff just have. The 40% they really couldn't afford to lose.

Turns out they're not 'easily replaceable' after all. And the problem isn't so much 'solved', more 'means you now have to drive 35 miles to access that service'.

The winding down of furloughed wages means HUGE numbers of people will be let go in the next 2-3 months. There will be many, many people looking for a job.

Not only will there be plenty of applicants for the care sector, but ex-care staff who are left because they do not want to get vaccinated will also be competing with other newly unemployed for any available jobs.

My dad has just passed away naturally in care home.

When we were told he was end of life a couple of weeks into the first lockdown, my 80 year old mum and I made the decision to keep him at home for as long as possible due to the risks.

It's affected both our mental and physical health and our relationship with one another. I've shielded as much as possible to protect him, given up working and had to sideline my teenage daughter's needs to an extent to look after him.

If he had gone in the home for the last few weeks of his life and caught Covid from a carer who thought the minor annoyance of a few side effects and a load of BS on the Internet was more important than their duty of care towards the vulnerable people they are caring for, I'd have been beyond fucking furious.

If you don't care about the impact of not being vaccinated on the people you are supposed be looking after, get another job...there are plenty of less selfish people with more common sense that will be happy to have the vaccine and fill your shoes.

Let’s try our upmost to be caring and careful in care homes not careless. You will be old one day unless careless. Put the care back into care homes!

@Haffiana

Well, my HCP management took that line, 'if you don't like the impositions we are forcing on you, you can leave'. 40% of the staff just have. The 40% they really couldn't afford to lose.

Turns out they're not 'easily replaceable' after all. And the problem isn't so much 'solved', more 'means you now have to drive 35 miles to access that service'.

The winding down of furloughed wages means HUGE numbers of people will be let go in the next 2-3 months. There will be many, many people looking for a job.

Not only will there be plenty of applicants for the care sector, but ex-care staff who are left because they do not want to get vaccinated will also be competing with other newly unemployed for any available jobs.

Yes I was just thinking, what jobs are these people choosing to leave caring going to go and do, and there'll be no shortage of vaccinated people looking for work to keep their families afloat to take their place. I'm not denying it's a hard job and some may not stick it out, but at the same time it's not as though there are huge barriers for new entrants (aside from being vaccinated of course).

there'll be no shortage of vaccinated people looking for work

That's a low benchmark for staff recruitment. Desperate... I wonder what kind of staff we can expect to see in care homes in future.