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The TV channels should stop filming football match now. This is wrong

142 replies

Wishitsnows · 12/06/2021 17:54

Why can't the TV channels stop filming while a player is being resuscitated rather than commenting on it. I've switched off. Hope they stop soon

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TheBobJog · 12/06/2021 21:04

@APheasantPluckersSon I'm in the UK, and I saw a man falter and fall. I saw medics attend and lift his head to look in his eyes. I saw medics clearly giving CPR, I saw his teammates crying. Shortly before we turned the TV off, I saw medics defibrillating the patient.

It was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen, and the cynic in me can't help but think if there had been a streaker on the pitch at the time, we'd have just seen crowd footage. The whole thing was eerie, and wrong, and weird. The one good thing, is that it seems CE is on the mend

RightYesButNo · 12/06/2021 21:09

@RoseAndRose

UEFA tweet:

Following the request made by players of both teams, UEFA has agreed to restart the match between Denmark and Finland tonight at 20:30 CET (TBC).

The last four minutes of the first half will be played, there will then be a 5-minute half-time break followed by the second half.

This is so disgusting and greedy of UEFA that I can’t believe it. Both sides “requested.” Yes, probably after they were threatened with a forfeit. I may not be a sports psychologist but when Denmark’s players are crying while warming up, they MIGHT not be in the right frame of mind to restart the game.
Mousetown · 12/06/2021 21:13

@Viggohytten

I don’t think these things should be hidden. I think we should see things like this - it becomes education. The more educated we are, the quicker and more appropriately we would act if the same thing happened in from of us. The speed of the Finnish player, then the referee, then the medics probably saved his life.

We are so precious about things like this, when the more open we are, the better we react in such circumstances.

I do not agree with zooming in on his wife, but capturing her accidentally is understandable.

What a stupid comment.

He and his family deserve to have some privacy on the worst day of their lives. Maybe one day he may agree to have the footage shown as a way to help educate people, but until he can give his consent you respect peoples privacy.

Do you approach ambulances at the scene of car accidents to educate yourself on first aid?

Crimsonripple · 12/06/2021 21:14

I think the fact it happened at the Euros on a football pitch saved his life. There was immediate medical care that is vital if he did indeed go into cardiac arrest. Often that sort of care is needed within minutes to save their life!

It was the most harrowing thing I've watched. Praying all is well.

fashionablefennel · 12/06/2021 21:31

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Weirdwonders · 12/06/2021 21:43

The BBC should have cut away. I’ve read something on Twitter that said they were legally obliged to broadcast the UEFA footage but surely some common sense and decency can be applied. Yes individuals can turn off their TVs but I certainly couldn’t and the BBC certainly should have the decency and competence to do so on our behalf (and I’d normally defend them to the hilt against any criticism). That was a traumatic few minutes of broadcast from the POV of the viewer and certainly for the stricken man and his family it should not have reached any TV screen. Lineker and co are paid enough to fill time for a bit and that’s what should have happened.

Nutrafin · 12/06/2021 22:08

The fact that someone accuse a poster of being a "troll" when they dare asking for the respect to the player and his family
HQ have now deleted at least one of your posts. Time to stop.

Bourbonic · 12/06/2021 23:00

In fairness, I understand the comparison with F1 coverage, but think they're probably a bit more geared up for dealing with trauma events in motorsports. We expect crashes to happen. We don't expect a healthy young man to collapse on a football pitch.

Timetopoeet · 12/06/2021 23:17

Lineker and co are paid enough to fill time for a bit and that’s what should have happened.

Tbf he looked stunned, he's human after all and presume they're all really well known to each other, if he'd tried to talk I'm not sure a lot would have come out under the circumstances.

RoseAndRose · 13/06/2021 07:02

@Bourbonic

In fairness, I understand the comparison with F1 coverage, but think they're probably a bit more geared up for dealing with trauma events in motorsports. We expect crashes to happen. We don't expect a healthy young man to collapse on a football pitch.
There may be a different team on the ground and in the pundits' chairs, but all the behind the scenes staff will be the same, and will know how to cut back to the studio.

It was so sudden and unexpected that it was inevitable tat the first bit would be shown. But they should have gone back to the studio asap once it was clear CPR was underway. Just as they do when a crash has happened.

LittleRa · 13/06/2021 07:18

I wasn’t watching and I found out about this by seeing an acquaintances Facebook status that said:

“OMG doesn’t look good! Hope he’s ok 🙏”

Of course this was followed by loads of comments either of people who were also watching saying “yes so awful” etc and others who weren’t watching saying the equivalent of “you ok, hun?”

I managed to piece it together from the comments that something had happened at the euros so then googled and read on the news sites. But afterwards it make me think; who sits watching that happen and their first thought, while the incident is still going on, is to post on Facebook? It’s obviously just for likes and comments. To even put “this doesn’t look good” Hmm One of the comments said “It’s awful, I’m watching and just feel so helpless”. Helpless? Like you could do anything to help? Like they were like “if only Julie Smith from Coventry was here to help!” (Not real name or location).

thegreenlight · 13/06/2021 08:02

I have a horrible feeling that the only reason the word ‘gossip’ is being banded around to silence and shame people is because they are assumed to be mainly female. I’m sure there is lots of ‘discussion’ going on amping men who witnessed the match processing and dissecting a very unusual and traumatic event. I bet the word gossip isn’t used against any of them.

bitheby · 13/06/2021 08:29

All the people making accusations do not understand trauma. It was a collectively traumatic incident and it's better to process these things by talking about them than to suppress the feelings and pretend we aren't affected.

If you'd prefer to think that people are looking for likes then all I can say is that I'm glad I'm me and not you.

RugratMum · 13/06/2021 09:06

It was a collectively traumatic incident

A man, who the commenters do not know personally, collapsed and some people administered CPR and used a defibrillator. People watching could have turned off the TV or looked away and done something else at the point at which they wish the BBC had done so if they found it distressing. Sure, it might be actually triggering for some PP, but for the vast majority of onlookers, to say it was traumatic to have it on TV is to play fast and loose with the word trauma. They'll have seen worse on TV before. Mildly upsetting or shocking does not equate to traumatic. It probably was traumatic for his family, and for some of his team-mates.

I googled 'collective trauma' to check whether you had a point before posting in response to it and found lots of studies about war and natural disaster. Wikipedia says:

'Well known collective traumas include: The Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, Slavery in the United States, the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Trail of Tears, the Great Irish Famine, Attack on Pearl Harbor, the MS Estonia in Sweden, the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, the Halabja chemical attack and various others.'

Bit of a stretch to say that watching someone collapse on a football pitch is a collective trauma that must be processed on social media. And, if it must be 'processed', the vast majority of onlookers have people they can process it with IRL, or in private virtual spaces, rather than needing to have it trending on Twitter, Facebook etc. to facilitate their 'processing'. Ultimately, what drives the posting is the, 'Ooh, you'll never guess what happened just now- did you see?' impulse. Which is, ultimately, gossip, however you want to dress it up.

tigger1001 · 13/06/2021 10:16

People process things differently.

It's not "gossip" to wonder how someone is after witnessing them fight for their lives. It's not "gossip" to say you hope they pull through as the incident is on going.

We were watching the game. It was clear within seconds of him going down that something serious was wrong. We were watching the sky news channel a short while later, before it was announced that he was conscious and it was clear from the way the anchor was talking that they were expecting to announce the worst news and they were visibly shaken. Yes they are professional but they are also just people who have human emotions too. Alex Scott on bbc was very emotional too.

I don't think people were gossiping. I think they were posting because they were shocked and were hoping against all odds that he was ok. It's not everyday (thankfully) that we witness a young fit man have to fight for their life. I suspect most didn't want to turn their tv over as they were waiting for (good) news about the player.

bitheby · 13/06/2021 10:19

Facebook is a private virtual space for most people as it's only friends that can view it. You are making assumptions that most people have someone in real life with them to talk to. It's well known that trauma is not just about the 'big' events like war. I think witnessing a fit and healthy 29 year old potentially dying on live TV is enough to qualify.

Do you know what, engaging with this now is unseemly so I won't anymore.

newnortherner111 · 13/06/2021 10:59

I think the broadcast company did the wrong thing in continuing to show anything within the ground. Gary Lineker to his credit has acknowledged that it upset many people by not doing so. Perhaps what will have added to the feelings many in the UK may have had who were watching was the reminder of when Fabrice Muamba collapsed, and that as Christian Eriksson is a former Tottenham player, someone who they may have seen playing at a game.

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