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Another teenager dead right now - how do we get a grip on gangs?

256 replies

NorthNineteen · 08/06/2021 17:56

Name changed. A teenager was killed (shooting) close to where I live. It happened about an hour ago, there are loads of police, an air ambulance came. It's so awful, I don't know many details but what can be done to protect children? Clearly the current system is broken. It's so heartbreaking to think someone has lost their child today.

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SavageBeauty73 · 08/06/2021 18:15

Are you in North London? I just saw the air ambulance.

I worry so much for my teenage sons being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have no answers. There's no youth clubs left.

Hellocatshome · 08/06/2021 18:18

There's no youth clubs left. I cant pretend to know the answer but youth clubs alone are not the answer. The children involved in gangs would not be the ones turning up at youth clubs. There are plenty of clubs etc for young people to join if they wanted to, they dont want to.

DynamoKev · 08/06/2021 18:20

Give young people some hope of a decent life, a place to live and a good job would be a start.
Gang life appeals on the promise of easy money.
What if you could make good money from legal things (and didn't have to have gone to Eton)?

DynamoKev · 08/06/2021 18:21

Also it wouldn't hurt to have more Police around to investigate and deter.

adawong · 08/06/2021 18:22

Clearly the current system is broken
What exactly do you mean by that?

DynamoKev · 08/06/2021 18:22
SueSaid · 08/06/2021 18:24

It comes down to parenting imo. Youth clubs wouldn’t make a jot of difference. Kds need strong role models in their lives.

EmeraldShamrock · 08/06/2021 18:26

Awh that is terrible.

The level of violence is horrendous in society, the local area is beyond recognition with teenager gang violence, knives now guns life wiped away.

I really don't know the answer.

WorraLiberty · 08/06/2021 18:26

It's a whole series of issues really that come together as a jigsaw but poverty and poor housing is very much at the heart of it in my area.

Kids, teens and adults will often get involved in gangs for money and/or protection from other gangs.

It's an awful situation and quite honestly I cant' see it getting any better any time soon.

SueSaid · 08/06/2021 18:27

'What if you could make good money from legal things (and didn't have to have gone to Eton)?'

You really don't need to go to Eton. Colleges are available for everyone as are apprenticeships etc.

Defeatist attitudes like yours perpetuates the problem.

sirfredfredgeorge · 08/06/2021 18:27

Make actual steps to end poverty

Clymene · 08/06/2021 18:29

@JaniieJones

It comes down to parenting imo. Youth clubs wouldn’t make a jot of difference. Kds need strong role models in their lives.
If you think only kids from homes where the parents don't care join gangs, you'd be very wrong.
MojoMoon · 08/06/2021 18:30

Most children who end up being heavily involved in gang crime could probably, sadly, be identified at a very young age by primary school teachers.

Dysfunctional family background, violence at home, older brothers/cousins involvement in crime, disengagement in education by the parents as well as the child, deep and grinding poverty, living in temporary accommodation, regularly moving around often between family members, foster care etc.

All leading to a lack of belief in the "system" - the idea if you work hard at school, you can get a job, earn a decent living, have a stable life, being respected by your community and enjoy a few treats. It is a fantasy to them (because the system has largely let them down so far) - becoming a famous rapper seems far more believable to them.

A youth club alone will not fix that.

An older man comes along and offers them money and status and respect.
They have none of that. It is no wonder they are tempted.

It's impossible for the police to infiltrate a gang of teenagers - their ability to beat the issue by standard policing is very limited.

I'd also advocate for legalising the sale of most recreational drugs through state- owned specialist shops (like booze is sold in Norway). Then the money making opportunity for the older men at the top of a chain is more limited

EmeraldShamrock · 08/06/2021 18:31

It comes down to parenting imo. Youth clubs wouldn’t make a jot of difference. Kds need strong role models in their lives.
Not always. Are you living in one of these violent areas? It is very hard to keep your DC safe when poverty is at your door, these thugs offer nice clothes/trainers etc.
More police and legalise drugs for sale from a reputable business it would wipe out youth dealing and county-lines

WorraLiberty · 08/06/2021 18:31

If you think only kids from homes where the parents don't care join gangs, you'd be very wrong.

I was just about to say this.

Often the strong role model parents are out working every hour they can, just to put a roof over the family's heads and food on the table.

When the kids get too old for childcare, that's often when they're more vulnerable to gangs and they can keep it well hidden from very busy parents.

funnylittlefloozie · 08/06/2021 18:35

There are no easy answers, its a huge and horrible problem. 16 and 17 year old kids are getting 25 year+ sentences for completely meaningless crimes. They don't know their victims, the murder isn't personal, they haven't even sniffed the fancy "gang life" that they see on music videos and in the elders of their gangs... but they've taken a life pointlessly, and now they're spending their lives in prison. Its awful, and gang culture is deeply, deeply pathetic.

SueSaid · 08/06/2021 18:36

'Make actual steps to end poverty'

Oh stop blaming poverty. There was real actual poverty in the 60s and I don't think gangs roamed about stabbing people.

Gang culture needs addressing.There needs to be more policing and more community leaders actually mentoring and being role models.

EmeraldShamrock · 08/06/2021 18:37

With poverty comes shame, shame breeds resentment and build jealousy.
A lot of the time it is do or die too, if you don't join a side you're a sitting duck.
An episode on police custody showed cctv of a young man stabbed repeatedly as he previously reported an assault he was branded a rat, He bleed to death.

WorraLiberty · 08/06/2021 18:39

@JaniieJones

'Make actual steps to end poverty'

Oh stop blaming poverty. There was real actual poverty in the 60s and I don't think gangs roamed about stabbing people.

Gang culture needs addressing.There needs to be more policing and more community leaders actually mentoring and being role models.

Poverty isn't the only factor but it's a huge part of it in today's society, whether we like it or not.
DioneTheDiabolist · 08/06/2021 18:41

There are plenty of clubs etc for young people to join if they wanted to, they dont want to.

No there aren't. Austerity, not inactivity caused the closure of community bases. Youth clubs are a vital part of the solution for loads of excellent reasons.

Youth clubs will be a vital part of the solution.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 08/06/2021 18:42

@JaniieJones

'Make actual steps to end poverty'

Oh stop blaming poverty. There was real actual poverty in the 60s and I don't think gangs roamed about stabbing people.

Gang culture needs addressing.There needs to be more policing and more community leaders actually mentoring and being role models.

Kray Twins ? There was gang violence then too.
DioneTheDiabolist · 08/06/2021 18:43

There was real actual poverty in the 60s and I don't think gangs roamed about stabbing people.

Of course they did. Ever heard of the Krays?

Echobelly · 08/06/2021 18:43

Literally giving kids free/affordable stuff to do does genuinely help though.... can't remember the source, but read a fascinating article ones about an area with lots of youth crime that put on a big summer scheme with free activities - and youth crime practically vanished that summer. What can older kids do these days together that doesn't cost money and they're not driven away from as 'gangs of youths'

And yes, ending poverty does have a lot to do with it. It feels to me like this whole obsession about one's estate/postcode is going to be stronger in kid for whom that's basically their whole world. Many underprivileged kids barely ever leave their neighbourhood, so it's not surprising perhaps if your 'Endz' becomes everything to you and worth fighting to the death about. If these kids had an sense of the wider world out there, they might see the futility of this stuff.

Hellocatshome · 08/06/2021 18:45

No there aren't. Austerity, not inactivity caused the closure of community bases. *Youth clubs are a vital part of the solution for loads of excellent reasons.

Youth clubs will be a vital part of the solution.*

Not necessarily youth clubs but I live in an area of poverty and just off the top of my head we have football, futsal, various martial arts, boxing, coding etc and those are the ones with very low fees some are free some are about £2 a session. The fire brigade run boxing for children identified by schools as needing to get off the streets for example. Problem is the kids that need these things won't go because why go there when you can be a 'hard man' and get 'respect by doing the dirty work for the gangs.

Hellocatshome · 08/06/2021 18:45

Oops bold fail