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To speak to sister about personal hygiene

120 replies

Mouscadoo · 07/06/2021 10:23

This is very long and i know this is a very sensitive subject and im trying trying to figure out if I am being very harsh or not. If this is the wrong place to post I can post elsewhere. For background, my DD is 16 months old. Around November last year, we moved out of our apartment that we had lived in for 3 years. We wanted to start to save for a mortgage and really couldn't do this while renting. We were very fortunate to be able to move into a family home so that we didn't have to pay rent. My younger sister had already been living here for 5 years plus.

So anyway we moved in and it has been fine overall. My younger sister is very easy going. We have our own spaces and we look after them respectively. My older sister is having fairly big work done to her own house and is going to be moving into the house also. She has 2 boys 2.5 and 4.5. She has been staying for 2-3 days at a time at the moment but will eventually be staying full time I believe for a few months. I knew it would be an adjustment for us but I was positive about my daughter spending time with her cousins and me spending time with my sister. I never anticipated it would be as hard as what it has been.

We have two very different parenting styles. The only way i could describe her parenting would be laissez-faire. The boys are pretty much allowed do as they please. The 2.5 year old has ripped up more books than I can count including my daughters books. They have now been put away. Both boys climb all over everything, my daughters play kitchen, the kitchen table which is very high up and the couches etc. I understand that boys do this but I feel that they are at the age especially the older boy to be able to be told not to climb all over things. When the 2.5 year old rips up the books or slams the doors, which is very dangerous as he could do it with my daughter standing right there. The problem is majority of the time my sister will do nothing to intervene. She will not tell them no and I find it very uncomfortable as I don't feel it is my place to say anything to them. The older boy has put his arms around my daughters neck and lifted her up. I had to sternly tell him we don't do that as its dangerous. My sister looked uncomfortable with this. In fairness to her she did tell him to stop and that he couldn't do that.

The thing that I am personally finding very hard to deal with is the personal hygiene. The older boy is in creche and I know that they pick up bugs and colds etc. But since they have started staying my daughter has been sick continuously. Their hygiene is not good at all. They never ever cover their mouths as this has never been explained to them. The other day at the dinner table as we were all eating the younger boy full force coughed all over the food on the table. The older boy runs around with snot hanging out of his nose 24/7. I have reluctantly told them both that they have to cover their mouths when they cough. They both use my daughters sippy cups and I have had to hide them as they chew and spit all over them. My sister just laughed and admitted she has never taught them to cover their mouths etc. My daughter got a very nasty cold off them and just when she had finally recovered they came over again and sure enough she was sick again. This obviously means a lack of sleep and a very upset clingy baby during the day.

I sympathise with my sister as her husband is not there to help. He has been helping with the work and does not stay with my sister on the days she is here. He does not come down in the evenings once the work is done. She is trying to co-ordinate a lot and it is an awful lot for her to deal with by herself. She has her hands full. I am looking for some opinions on what i should do or is this just something I have to just suck up. I feel I have tried to point out about the coughing etc and have interjected at times when my daughter was directly involved but I don't know what else to do. I would find it very difficult to approach with my sister as she is very sensitive. I don't want us being sick all summer. Would it be unreasonable to speak to my sister about the kids personal hygiene? What would you do in this situation please?

OP posts:
SmidgenofaPigeon · 07/06/2021 10:28

Jesus how many bedrooms are in this place?!

Bottom line is it’s not your house. It’s up to the person whose house it is to dictate what is acceptable or not.

Bluntness100 · 07/06/2021 10:31

Gosh that’s a shit load of people in one house.

The bottom line is op either move out if you don’t like it or suck it up

ApolloandDaphne · 07/06/2021 10:33

The issue is that you both have very different parenting styles. Whilst you are living in someone else's home you just have to suck it up and concentrate on your own child. If you don't like it then you will need to move out.

4PawsGood · 07/06/2021 10:34

It sounds pretty gross, but I think if you’re living with someone you’re probably going to pick up their cold.

EmeraldShamrock · 07/06/2021 10:36

They're feral. I don't know the answer, I really dislike destructive DC although it is rarely the DC fault.
You'll have to ignore or move out.
I doubt she'll listen if she likes the easy life.

Whyhello · 07/06/2021 10:37

Her DC do sound rather feral and unruly, I just wanted to make the point that this behaviour has nothing to do with their sex. We shouldn’t resign boys to poor behaviour because ‘boys will be boys’, boys are equally capable of being respectful human beings! They shouldn’t be breaking other people’s things or even their own... I’ve always raised my DC to respect things and I’m particularly precious about books so I’d have been furious at them ripping books.

The ‘hygiene’ issue isn’t really the main point here. Young children do get sick constantly especially once they’re at nursery/school or even just going to toddler groups. I don’t think hygiene comes into it really, it’s natural for them to get sick when their immune systems are building.

The main issue is your sister’s lax parenting.

hectica · 07/06/2021 10:38

You're living rent free. I think you have to suck it up. But you're absolutely entitled to tell the nephews off when necessary, and establish some rules that protect your child and your property. And yes, you can say 'cover your mouth when you sneeze/cough' in a nice but firm way, especially in today's world. And wipe the snotty one's nose when it needs it.

Mouscadoo · 07/06/2021 10:45

@ApolloandDaphne I have actually been contemplating moving out to be honest as i have found it so stressful.

@Bluntness100 yep it is a lot. I never anticipated this would happen in the short time that we would be living here
There are 4 bedrooms.

@SmidgenofaPigeon ya thats what I'm finding so hard is that it's not my house so there's not much I can do. Is it reasonable to mention about the practicing better hygiene?

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GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 07/06/2021 10:50

Are you not being a bit precious? There’s a kind of ‘thing’ about smug mothers of girls.... Have you ever heard of it? Just make sure you’re not being a bit prissy about your own child abs judging them too harshly. I’d say that kids don’t generally worry about snotty noses and coughing, it’s quite a tall order to expect them to manage that at 2.5 and 4.5 I think!

Sillawithans · 07/06/2021 10:51

I feel sorry for the sister that lived there in peace and now has a bunch of kids to live with. Where do you all sleep? I have a large five bedroom house but no way could three separate families live in it.

Talk to your sister. It's not so much hygiene but a lack of basic manners.

godmum56 · 07/06/2021 10:51

I think if it was me I would be talking to the person whose house it is first...but baseline is I would be moving out...bad hygiene makes me sick

JustCallMeJulia · 07/06/2021 10:53

Yes it is reasonable to ask that everyone covers their mouths when sneezing, coughing and doesn't share cups.

As you say your DD has been unwell.

It might be completely unavailable that you'll all catch bugs from eachother, living in close proximity. But it is sensible to TRY not to be unhygienic. Especially after this year, kids should be aware of the v basics: washing hands, covering coughs, tissues, being careful.

GertietheGherkin · 07/06/2021 10:53

It sounds horrendous OP, there seems a fair few of you in this family home, and that's difficult. You say you all have your own areas and are responsible for them respectively? Is there any way you can keep all of your DD's sippy cups, books etc in your respective area? Is it possible to eat in your own areas too? Kids running around with snot hanging out of their noses, and coughing all over food is just gross.
It's going to be a miserable time for you if you've got to live like this to save up money to get a house.
From the sounds of it, it wouldn't be worth talking to your sister if she just laughs it off about her kids coughing over food and not putting their hands over their mouths.
Your DD being poorly so often isn't fair on her. I'd move back out, it'll probably take you longer to save, but at least you're not having to live in such unhealthy conditions, and snot flying everywhere 🤮

SunshineCake · 07/06/2021 10:53

Another person sensitive when they don't want to hear what they need telling.

Mouscadoo · 07/06/2021 10:54

@Whyhello completely agree that it is my sisters parenting. It's very frustrating for me to watch as her kids run riot and do dangerous things as she says nothing

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slashlover · 07/06/2021 10:55

Your poor parents in a four bedroom house with your sister, your family (who aren't even paying a token amount of rent) and soon to be your older sisters family.

PixiKitKat · 07/06/2021 10:56

How does your younger sister feel about this? Is this something you could approach jointly?
The boys sound quite disgusting and to be honest, I couldn't live with them if they can't even cover their mouths and just cough all over the table.

PomegranateQueen · 07/06/2021 10:58

With that many people under one roof I am sure that there are probably one or two things your sisters find irritating about you and your DC. Kids get snotty noses, kids in early years do pick up a lot of bugs. With that many DCs there will be the occasional scuffle. If you want to live rent free then you'll just have to put up with it.

Bluntness100 · 07/06/2021 11:04

Blimey so ten of you living in four bedrooms?

So your little sis in her room
Your parents in their room
You, your partner and your child in another room
Your sister, her partner and her two kids in another?

Your poor parents ans little sis. Honestly there is going to be frustrations. Don’t make it worse by complaining about her parenting. Living like this all couped up together will just be worse after you’ve said something.

Marcipex · 07/06/2021 11:05

Boys can equally be taught to have considerate manners and not climb/wreck everything.
However your sister isn’t going to be bothered so I think you have an big ongoing problem. You have to either be the baddie here, arrange everything to live in one room, or move out.
I think I would try intervention first, but move out if it fails.

SmidgenofaPigeon · 07/06/2021 11:07

Ten in four rooms- that is ridiculous.

JinglingHellsBells · 07/06/2021 11:07

I thought you were going to say your sister had BO and smelled .

This is not really about personal hygiene, it's more about parenting and teaching kids manners. I think as their aunt you could easily ask them to wipe their noses, not cough on you and not share your child's cups etc. You are family, after all.

But really, it sounds a nightmare. I think you had better just suck up not being able to save as fast and start renting your own place again.

EmeraldShamrock · 07/06/2021 11:08

Treat your room like a bedsit. Clear away random toys from around the house send them and anything you're not using into storage.

ShinyGreenElephant · 07/06/2021 11:08

That is WAY too many people in a 4 bedroom house, no wonder you're driving each other nuts! I agree they sound a bit feral but 2yos generally are, my DD2 can usually be found barefoot trying to scale a bookcase (although shes fastidious about getting her nose wiped and hands washed, which I actually find a bit sad that she has to worry about that at 2). I think all you can do is keep reminding them, maybe gently mention it to your sister but if its that bad you will have to move out unfortunately

JinglingHellsBells · 07/06/2021 11:09

I'm confused. when you said a 'family home' did you mean

1 it belongs to your parents and you have all moved in

2 it did belong to your parents- so a kind of inheritance

3 you meant it was a 'family sized' home (ie a house) that your sister was renting or owns?