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To speak to sister about personal hygiene

120 replies

Mouscadoo · 07/06/2021 10:23

This is very long and i know this is a very sensitive subject and im trying trying to figure out if I am being very harsh or not. If this is the wrong place to post I can post elsewhere. For background, my DD is 16 months old. Around November last year, we moved out of our apartment that we had lived in for 3 years. We wanted to start to save for a mortgage and really couldn't do this while renting. We were very fortunate to be able to move into a family home so that we didn't have to pay rent. My younger sister had already been living here for 5 years plus.

So anyway we moved in and it has been fine overall. My younger sister is very easy going. We have our own spaces and we look after them respectively. My older sister is having fairly big work done to her own house and is going to be moving into the house also. She has 2 boys 2.5 and 4.5. She has been staying for 2-3 days at a time at the moment but will eventually be staying full time I believe for a few months. I knew it would be an adjustment for us but I was positive about my daughter spending time with her cousins and me spending time with my sister. I never anticipated it would be as hard as what it has been.

We have two very different parenting styles. The only way i could describe her parenting would be laissez-faire. The boys are pretty much allowed do as they please. The 2.5 year old has ripped up more books than I can count including my daughters books. They have now been put away. Both boys climb all over everything, my daughters play kitchen, the kitchen table which is very high up and the couches etc. I understand that boys do this but I feel that they are at the age especially the older boy to be able to be told not to climb all over things. When the 2.5 year old rips up the books or slams the doors, which is very dangerous as he could do it with my daughter standing right there. The problem is majority of the time my sister will do nothing to intervene. She will not tell them no and I find it very uncomfortable as I don't feel it is my place to say anything to them. The older boy has put his arms around my daughters neck and lifted her up. I had to sternly tell him we don't do that as its dangerous. My sister looked uncomfortable with this. In fairness to her she did tell him to stop and that he couldn't do that.

The thing that I am personally finding very hard to deal with is the personal hygiene. The older boy is in creche and I know that they pick up bugs and colds etc. But since they have started staying my daughter has been sick continuously. Their hygiene is not good at all. They never ever cover their mouths as this has never been explained to them. The other day at the dinner table as we were all eating the younger boy full force coughed all over the food on the table. The older boy runs around with snot hanging out of his nose 24/7. I have reluctantly told them both that they have to cover their mouths when they cough. They both use my daughters sippy cups and I have had to hide them as they chew and spit all over them. My sister just laughed and admitted she has never taught them to cover their mouths etc. My daughter got a very nasty cold off them and just when she had finally recovered they came over again and sure enough she was sick again. This obviously means a lack of sleep and a very upset clingy baby during the day.

I sympathise with my sister as her husband is not there to help. He has been helping with the work and does not stay with my sister on the days she is here. He does not come down in the evenings once the work is done. She is trying to co-ordinate a lot and it is an awful lot for her to deal with by herself. She has her hands full. I am looking for some opinions on what i should do or is this just something I have to just suck up. I feel I have tried to point out about the coughing etc and have interjected at times when my daughter was directly involved but I don't know what else to do. I would find it very difficult to approach with my sister as she is very sensitive. I don't want us being sick all summer. Would it be unreasonable to speak to my sister about the kids personal hygiene? What would you do in this situation please?

OP posts:
NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 07/06/2021 11:09

With several households under one roof, your children will likely pick up every bug regardless of the best hygiene in the world.

It is quite common for little children to have a snotty nose but it sounds like their hygiene isnt great. I dont think it's a big deal to gently ask for them to cover mouths when they coughs, wipe noses, wash hands etc.

But at the end of the day, you are living rent free. If you don't like it, you can get your own place and pay for it.

JinglingHellsBells · 07/06/2021 11:10

. We were very fortunate to be able to move into a family home so that we didn't have to pay rent.

This ^^ ???

Whywonttheyhelpme · 07/06/2021 11:11

@GoodbyePorpoiseSpit what a load of nonsense. Coughing food all over the table and spraying snot everywhere is disgusting. It has nothing to do with boys v girls or being precious and everything to do with poor manners.

I have raised two boys that thoroughly enjoy getting grubby, making noise and play boisterous games. However, they wouldn’t dream of climbing over people’s furniture or wreaking belongings. OP, YANBU. I wouldn’t want to live with these feral children either.

Bluesheep8 · 07/06/2021 11:12

Ten in four rooms- that is ridiculous.

Yes it really is.

user1493494961 · 07/06/2021 11:12

I took it that only the younger sister was there originally, not OP's parents.

Calvinlookingforhobbes · 07/06/2021 11:14

I said YABU and you are to stay there long term. Move out. It’s not healthy.

Mouscadoo · 07/06/2021 11:16

Sorry just to point out, for me it has nothing to do with boys or girls. Just children in general and parents. I am not precious about my daughter at all just expect that others would have the basic manners of covering their mouths when coughing and having snotty noses wiped even if just occasionally and when possible.

I am contemplating moving back out. My father (mother passed away) does not live in the house. We contribute to all the bills and help out with everything around the house. People have actually commented saying the house looks better than it did since before we moved in. My ffather will not accept rent from us but is happy for us us cover all the bills (my sister and i).

OP posts:
BlueDucky · 07/06/2021 11:16

I understand that boys do this it's nothing to do with them being boys.

You can't have that many people in one house it's overcrowded surely? Not your house so not your rules.

grapewine · 07/06/2021 11:17

We were very fortunate to be able to move into a family home so that we didn't have to pay rent.

Suck it up or move, honestly. It is too many people in a house that size anyway.

BlueDucky · 07/06/2021 11:17

And you can ask them to wipe their nose.

Mouscadoo · 07/06/2021 11:18

Living in the house is my younger sister (27). Me, my partner and my daughter. My sister and her two boys will be living here for approx 2-3 months I believe. So 7 all together. Yes it is a lot of people!

OP posts:
ddl1 · 07/06/2021 11:19

As regards the hygiene thing, couldn't you use Covid as an excuse/reason: say that you're fussy at the moment because of the pandemic? Then you wouldn't be implying that her hygiene is bad by any standards (even if it is). And it's not untrue: we do have to be more careful than usual, and the advice has been full of things like sneezing into a tissue or your elbow rather than in the direction of other people, or on your hand which then touches other things.

That doesn't solve the other problems like her children's behaviour or the general overcrowding. I hope that this is a strictly temporary arrangement.

HunkyPunk · 07/06/2021 11:21

Your poor parents in a four bedroom house with your sister, your family (who aren't even paying a token amount of rent) and soon to be your older sisters family.

I didn't think it was the parents' home. I thought it was another family property, where the younger sister had been living in glorious isolation for 5 years. Talk about a shock to the system!

It's definitely not the boys' fault. Even the most 'spirited' of boys can be well-behaved in their interactions with others, honestly! It's your sister's parenting style. I don't see anything wrong with you reprimanding your nephews if the need arises. It's your house, as much as your sisters', while you're all living there.

Mouscadoo · 07/06/2021 11:22

When i broached the conversation with my partner about moving out, I was strongly considering it..had looked up places around us, my partner told me "we can't move out" and seemed to not even consider it. So I feel stuck right now. I understand not my house not my rules. Was just looking for some perspective on if it would be unreasonable to speak to my sister about the boys hygiene and damaging property.

OP posts:
WeAllHaveWings · 07/06/2021 11:22

Pre school children with colds will spread germs even if they cover their mouths when coughing so it won't stop you dd catching their colds. Just think it will be strengthening her immune system for when she goes to preschool.

It would be a knee item reaction from me to say to any child to cover their mouth if they didn't when coughing, even if the parents were there. I wouldn't ask their parents to do it and no parent has ever noticeably taken umbrage when I have.

You are very overcrowded, it is always going to be hard, you either need to be more relaxed or move out.

aliensprig · 07/06/2021 11:24

You're being uptight OP. Calm down.

Mouscadoo · 07/06/2021 11:25

@HunkyPunk yes that's it exactly. I totally recognise that it has been hard for my younger sister also. I was very careful to talk to her before we ever moved in and we have very open dialogue about space and boundaries etc. We have lived fairly harmoniously together thankfully.

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littlepeas · 07/06/2021 11:28

Your dd is only 16 months! She could be a difficult toddler yet - my dd certainly was (my 2 sons were much easier). Never be smug. Small children are often covered in snot and catching colds, etc, is part off how the immune system develops.

ThePlantsitter · 07/06/2021 11:29

I feel a bit sorry for your little sister! But apart from all the 'houses too small for so many people' issues, as far as I'm concerned if you're living with family children and their parents you should parent as a herd a bit more.

That means you can tell your nephews to cover their mouths and belt up when they're being annoying and your daughter will get the benefit of your sister's more relaxed parenting now and then too.

Confusedandshaken · 07/06/2021 11:35

You do sound uptight. Your child is going to get colds. It's part of growing up and mixing with people. If it's not from cousins living in the same house, it will be from kids at school or nursery or the playground. Assuming she isn't medically vulnerable this isn't a bad thing, it's building her immune system.

As for the property thing - keep your daughters stuff in your own space at a height your nephews can't reach. It's only for a few more weeks.

giletrouge · 07/06/2021 11:37

Why is your p not open to moving out, is it because you're saving money by being there?
I'd want to move out it sounds like hell. Too many people not enough boundaries and discipline.

OhSayWhat · 07/06/2021 11:38

You’re not being uptight. Kids are gross but adults need to teach them how to be less gross.

Can you do the thing where you’re telling your child something but it’s really aimed at all the children? “Sarah please put your cup away so we don’t share our germs with others. Oh Jack let’s get you a clean cup in case Sarah has a cold. Sarah needs to wash her hands before she eats - has everyone washed hands or you can come with me and I’ll help?” ... type of thing.

bloodyhell19 · 07/06/2021 11:44

I don't think you sound uptight at all OP, whatever about the younger DS, the older boy is old enough to know to cover his bloody nose & mouth when he coughs and sneezes. Your sister sounds like she's just opted out of parenting to be honest - and to stand there and "look uncomfortable" because someone else told her child not to pick up their child by the neck ... Well tough shit. Maybe teach your feral kids some manners. If you can, I'd speak to your DH again and say this is too stressful, we need to move out. How close are you ordinarily to this sister? Are you worried about upsetting an otherwise close relationship or are you not that close? If you must live together, there has to be ground rules agreed between the adults for everyone's sanity. Climbing over furniture, ripping books and chewing things that don't belong to you is not conducive to a happy home life.

Nancydrawn · 07/06/2021 11:46

It sounds like they'll only be living there for about 8-10 weeks. I'd not move out of a heavily subsidized house for that.

But I do think you can and should have a real conversation with your sisters about what those 8-10 weeks will look like and lay down some ground rules.

ravenmum · 07/06/2021 11:47

just expect that others would have the basic manners of covering their mouths when coughing
This is unrealistic to expect from a 2.5-year-old. Sure, you can teach them, but at that age they are not going to be great at it yet.

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