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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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118 replies

Judith0000 · 06/06/2021 17:30

AIBU to believe that most families say things to each other that they wouldn't say to someone outside of the family face to face?

My brother in law is a golf bore.
When I'm at my sisters, I try to avoid being in a position where I'm alone with him because he switches virtually every conversation around to golf, when he's next playing, who is playing on TV, where they are in the league etc.
I see no reason to blatantly tell him he's a golf bore.
On Thursday, DH, DS and I were invited to a BBQ at my sisters.
It was a lovely afternoon and on the way home in the car, I mentioned that I was happy that the weather had been so lovely because we had been able to stay in the garden.
DH replied that it wouldn't have mattered if it had rained because we could have all gone inside.
I said I preferred the garden.
DH asked why so I said that by staying in the garden, i didnt have to listen to the golf in the background on the TV or listen to my BIL talking about golf (he prefers to stay in front of the TV watching golf).
DH says I am being nasty and I'm rude and if i wouldn't say it to his face, i shouldn't utter those words in my own home.

My best friend and I went shopping for a dress for her sisters wedding.
She chose a white dress. I gently asked her if she might consider a different colour, but she loved this dress and chose to buy it.
I asked my DH what he thought and I explained, rightly or wrongly, that I felt it wasnt the done thing to wear the same colour as the bride. Again, my DH says I am wrong for not speaking up and telling her directly that she would upstage the bride (not what i said btw) and if i wasnt prepared to say it to her face, i shouldn't say it to anyone.

This crops up time and time again, but moreso lately until we are now at a point where I only speak about things I would be happy to say to the persons face.

Another example this week is I asked my DS to close the fridge and freezer doors because he had left them open for 10 minutes while he was looking for something to eat.
I had not long returned from the supermarket and the frozen food had been in the car boot for over an hour.
DS asked why he needed to close the doors, I told him that the food would get spoiled and hadn't been in the fridge freezer long.
DH turned and said 'Ok, you've made your point, leave it now!'
Since then, DS has responded with 'Ok, you've made your point.' whenever I have asked him more than once to put something away, take his plate out, bring his washing to me.
Today, I haven't spoken very much for fear of being told I am saying something wrong or labouring a point and both DH and DS are asking me what's wrong, but honestly, I'd rather stick to neutral topics like the weather or what we're having for dinner instead of saying something that upsets anyone.
I am not a very confident person and tend to avoid creating a scene, sometimes to my detriment. I tend to stay quiet and then seethe 😂 but I have always felt i could discuss my thoughts with DH. Lately, I dont feel I can, yet when I dont have much to say, DH asks me over and over what's wrong? I reply that nothing is wrong, but he still asks.
I'm so careful not to say anything 'nasty' or 'rude' that chatting to my family has begun to feel like hard work, thinking of everything I'm going to say and how it sounds to the other person, whether I'd say it outside of my house, how it will be construed by the listener.
I dont know whether I'm coming or going anymore.
I'm beginning to feel like a weak minded gossiping bitch who is negative most of the time, although I try so hard to be positive every day.
I make sure that I say lots of positive things to DH and DS every day, but they generally reply with sarcasm or negativity to me, or at least that's how it seems to me.

Earlier DS was making a model with Lego, and I mentioned how amazing it was as i walked past. DS replied that it wasnt very good, so I gently disagreed and said I thought it was great, to which DS replied " You've made your point, now just leave it!"
I cant seem to do right for doing wrong.
AIBU to be so upset?
And how do I change this dynamic?

OP posts:
Judith0000 · 06/06/2021 17:32

I'm happy to be told I'm being oversensitive, because quite honestly, I feel very sensitive. I dont know why.

OP posts:
WhiskyIrnBru · 06/06/2021 17:33

You're not being rude! Your husband and son are.

CoRhona · 06/06/2021 17:33

How old is your DS? Is he parroting the saying or just being rude?

DinosaurDiana · 06/06/2021 17:34

Wow, he’s really going to work on you. And teaching your son the same.
Was his dad like this, and why do you put up with it ?

PegasusReturns · 06/06/2021 17:35

You’re not rude but your DH sounds deeply unpleasant

AFS1 · 06/06/2021 17:35

I’m sorry to say that your husband sounds like a dick and your son is copying his behaviour.

FrankButchersDickieBow · 06/06/2021 17:40

So you're walking on eggshells in your own home for fear of being snapped at.

There is only one way this is ever going to go unless you nip it the bud now.

Tell your husband you are prepared to be spoken to like that. You wouldn't take it from a colleague so why put up with it from the person who is supposed to love you the most.

I would also pull your son up every time he is rude.

Do not be bullied in your own home.

FrankButchersDickieBow · 06/06/2021 17:40

*not prepared- obvs

1Morewineplease · 06/06/2021 17:43

@AFS1

I’m sorry to say that your husband sounds like a dick and your son is copying his behaviour.
This.
HandfulofDust · 06/06/2021 17:44

I think your DH is very rude and sounds like he's deliberately underminding you and your DS is picking up on it and repeating it.

Of course it's normal to say things to your partner you wouldn't say in general company.

Aquamarine1029 · 06/06/2021 17:45

Your husband is an arsehole, and your son is a rude little shit. Both of these issues need to be addressed, and you need to speak your mind. When your husband asked you what's wrong, you should have told him the exact truth. He criticises everything you say, and if a wife can't share her thoughts with her husband, what's the point of it all? This whole "don't say that if you won't say it to their face" bullshit is absolutely absurd.

I will say, you should have told your best friend that a white dress is a definite NO for a wedding. You're not a child, start speaking up for yourself.

Sparrowsong · 06/06/2021 17:45

You are being bullied! Put a stop to it or leave them both to it.

Confusedandshaken · 06/06/2021 17:45

In private I say many, many things about my mum/D.C./DH/brother/BFFs that I wouldn't dream of saying to their face. I might mean them when I say them and I want to vent and get them off my chest but I would never want to hurt them by saying it to their face.

You don't say how old your son is. If another adult said to me, as a one off "you've made your point' I might accept it as an indication that I've been going on a bit. However if my children had spoken to me that way because I was doing normal parenting I would have had very strong words with them. If my husband did it routinely the same would apply. He is not your speech monitor.

Sit your son down and tell him very clearly that when he does as he is told you will know he has understood your point but until that happens you will continue to tell him as often as you think is necessary. You are the parent and you don't need a child to tell you how to behave or talk.

It sounds like a horrible atmosphere to be living in when you are having to second guess your own words. Maybe some counselling might help you and your DH communicate better.

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AledsiPad · 06/06/2021 17:46

Oh lord. You are not the problem, you have an abusive DH problem. LTB.

Catswithflamingos · 06/06/2021 17:47

If you can’t bitch about other people with your DH then you haven’t married the right person Grin

Rollmopsrule · 06/06/2021 17:49

You are definitely not being unreasonable. Your home is your safe space with your family. You should be able to speak about how you feel and what you think with your DH as long as it's not toxic behaviour which it certainly doesn't sound like. Your Dh sounds like he's trying to put you down and act superior which your Ds has picked up on.
You have to be clear about what behaviour you will accept from him and you will not put up with these put downs any longer. He sounds like a dick tbh - sorryFlowers

Judith0000 · 06/06/2021 17:49

DS is 14 and currently going through what I would describe as a teenage phase where he shows very little empathy and soaks up anything negative towards himself or me.
He has been quite negative towards me for at least 6 months now and it shows no signs of turning around.
I have asked my DM for advice when she was visiting since I dont feel I can ask my DH, and my DM replied "You're both as bad as each other."
DS has repeated this to me whenever I've tried to call him out on rude behaviour or laziness since then.
"DS, You are being very rude to me and there's no need for it."
DS replies "Well, we're just as bad as each other like Nan said."

So in some ways, he is copying, but tends to gloss over when people mention that I'm doing lots of things for him.
DH says that's what a parent does, takes on all of the responsibility, doesnt ask the children to do any chores, walk the dog, clean up all the mess.
To be fair, DH will happily do housework, but he works long hours so most of it falls to me.

I'd just like to feel a little appreciated from time to time.

I have no idea how to turn this around.

My gut feeling is that I've made myself into a sitting duck if you like, where I've almost invited negative responses from people because I dont bite back.
I feel weak and tired, mentally as well as physically, and use the energy I do have to get things done. I believe this has gone a long way to leading to where I am now.

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MaBroon21 · 06/06/2021 17:50

Op, your husband isn’t nice and this is abuse and if you stay in this relationship much longer you’ll also be an abused mum. Then in the future your sons partner will be an abused wife and so the abuse will go on and on and on - unless you break the cycle now.

It won’t be easy but please just please get out of this situation.

blueshoes · 06/06/2021 17:51

@FrankButchersDickieBow

So you're walking on eggshells in your own home for fear of being snapped at.

There is only one way this is ever going to go unless you nip it the bud now.

Tell your husband you are prepared to be spoken to like that. You wouldn't take it from a colleague so why put up with it from the person who is supposed to love you the most.

I would also pull your son up every time he is rude.

Do not be bullied in your own home.

This.

What 'stick' do you have at home, that can back up your words. I will not have anyone be rude to me in my home and that includes dh. But if they ignore you, how can you 'escalate'. I withdraw services such as laundry.

Your dh is a dick though. You are allowed to have your opinions and voice them or keep them to yourself. Has he always been like this, as in this is part of a larger problem with your dh.

Deadringer · 06/06/2021 17:53

Nothing you have said is out of the ordinary, it sounds like your dh is using your insecurity as a stick to beat you with. He doesn't sound very nice and your ds is following suit. Yanbu

Bksjshsbbev2737 · 06/06/2021 17:55

I’d be telling your DS not to be so rude and a separate conversation with your DH about how he speaks to ypu and the effect on your DS.
I say a lot of things to DH that I wouldn’t say to the persons face; I kind of see it as a perk of our marriage that I can say all kinds of things and it won’t be repeated

YouGetUpNow · 06/06/2021 17:55

Your DH is a knob basically...

partyatthepalace · 06/06/2021 17:58

Your husband is rude, and both undermining your confidence and undermining you in front of your son. Presumably he is doing this knowing you aren’t a very confident person?

Right now I would start acting like the most confident person you can imagine and push back hard.

Long term... well is your DH normally like this, has it ramped up? You can’t live like this for the rest of you life

C152 · 06/06/2021 18:01

@AFS1

I’m sorry to say that your husband sounds like a dick and your son is copying his behaviour.
I agree with this.

Of course people say to those they trust (close family, friends etc) things that they wouldn't say to anyone else. Your husband was really rude to say something like, 'you've made your point, leave it now' when you were telling your son off; he should have either said nothing or supported you here. And there is no way I would put up with my child speaking to me like that either.

TwoZeroTwoZero · 06/06/2021 18:06

DH says that's what a parent does, takes on all of the responsibility, doesnt ask the children to do any chores, walk the dog, clean up all the mess.
To be fair, DH will happily do housework, but he works long hours so most of it falls to me.

No it isn't. It's a parent's job to encourage and teach their dc how to do chores like laundry, cleaning, Hoovering, making beds and washing up so that when they grow up they know what to do.

In your shoes I'd be tempted to just walk out and leave them to it tbh. I know ofc that that's easier said than done though. Could you do some sort of counselling or therapy to improve your self esteem and ability to stand up for yourself?