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AIBU?

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Judith0000 · 06/06/2021 17:30

AIBU to believe that most families say things to each other that they wouldn't say to someone outside of the family face to face?

My brother in law is a golf bore.
When I'm at my sisters, I try to avoid being in a position where I'm alone with him because he switches virtually every conversation around to golf, when he's next playing, who is playing on TV, where they are in the league etc.
I see no reason to blatantly tell him he's a golf bore.
On Thursday, DH, DS and I were invited to a BBQ at my sisters.
It was a lovely afternoon and on the way home in the car, I mentioned that I was happy that the weather had been so lovely because we had been able to stay in the garden.
DH replied that it wouldn't have mattered if it had rained because we could have all gone inside.
I said I preferred the garden.
DH asked why so I said that by staying in the garden, i didnt have to listen to the golf in the background on the TV or listen to my BIL talking about golf (he prefers to stay in front of the TV watching golf).
DH says I am being nasty and I'm rude and if i wouldn't say it to his face, i shouldn't utter those words in my own home.

My best friend and I went shopping for a dress for her sisters wedding.
She chose a white dress. I gently asked her if she might consider a different colour, but she loved this dress and chose to buy it.
I asked my DH what he thought and I explained, rightly or wrongly, that I felt it wasnt the done thing to wear the same colour as the bride. Again, my DH says I am wrong for not speaking up and telling her directly that she would upstage the bride (not what i said btw) and if i wasnt prepared to say it to her face, i shouldn't say it to anyone.

This crops up time and time again, but moreso lately until we are now at a point where I only speak about things I would be happy to say to the persons face.

Another example this week is I asked my DS to close the fridge and freezer doors because he had left them open for 10 minutes while he was looking for something to eat.
I had not long returned from the supermarket and the frozen food had been in the car boot for over an hour.
DS asked why he needed to close the doors, I told him that the food would get spoiled and hadn't been in the fridge freezer long.
DH turned and said 'Ok, you've made your point, leave it now!'
Since then, DS has responded with 'Ok, you've made your point.' whenever I have asked him more than once to put something away, take his plate out, bring his washing to me.
Today, I haven't spoken very much for fear of being told I am saying something wrong or labouring a point and both DH and DS are asking me what's wrong, but honestly, I'd rather stick to neutral topics like the weather or what we're having for dinner instead of saying something that upsets anyone.
I am not a very confident person and tend to avoid creating a scene, sometimes to my detriment. I tend to stay quiet and then seethe 😂 but I have always felt i could discuss my thoughts with DH. Lately, I dont feel I can, yet when I dont have much to say, DH asks me over and over what's wrong? I reply that nothing is wrong, but he still asks.
I'm so careful not to say anything 'nasty' or 'rude' that chatting to my family has begun to feel like hard work, thinking of everything I'm going to say and how it sounds to the other person, whether I'd say it outside of my house, how it will be construed by the listener.
I dont know whether I'm coming or going anymore.
I'm beginning to feel like a weak minded gossiping bitch who is negative most of the time, although I try so hard to be positive every day.
I make sure that I say lots of positive things to DH and DS every day, but they generally reply with sarcasm or negativity to me, or at least that's how it seems to me.

Earlier DS was making a model with Lego, and I mentioned how amazing it was as i walked past. DS replied that it wasnt very good, so I gently disagreed and said I thought it was great, to which DS replied " You've made your point, now just leave it!"
I cant seem to do right for doing wrong.
AIBU to be so upset?
And how do I change this dynamic?

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ClawedButler · 07/06/2021 17:59

As I read through your post, OP, I just found myself feeling dismayed and saddened. Sadly it seems that having had an unsupportive/scapegoat/punching bag model of home life, you've gone on to replicate that as an adult.

This does not mean it is "your fault". Arseholes gonna arse.

2bazookas · 07/06/2021 18:28

DH is the safe trusted person to whom I can say anything at all in total confidence (about anything and anybody, including our children) and know it will never be repeated, passed on or thrown back at me. Same goes for him.

Your son is being a brat; I suggest you silently withdraw laundry, bedroom cleaning , taxi and menu services until he starts whining . Then tell him "I'm making my point. Can you guess what it is, yet? "

EKGEMS · 07/06/2021 18:34

Yeah therapy is great but your biggest problem is the abusive mother fucker you're married to! Your well being will improve drastically when you're away from him!

ButtercupSquash · 07/06/2021 18:43

Miss Manners of the ‘Washington Post’ said that talking about people behind their backs should be encouraged within the family because it is the reward for having said nothing at the time.

Judith0000 · 07/06/2021 18:54

@LlamaofDrama

OP when I was much younger I had a boyfriend who got very frustrated that I was bad at saying no to people and always tried to please everyone. In the end. I split up with him, and he wanted us to stay together. I still remember the bemused look on his face and his "when I said you needed to learn to say no to people, I didn't mean to me!" It was very satisfying.
Grin Your post has made me laugh Grin
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Judith0000 · 07/06/2021 18:58

DH says I am gossiping if I wont say the same to their face, he claims he doesnt talk about people behind their backs and neither should I.
I kind of think maybe he has a point. No one likes a gossip, however, I tried to point out that the reason he doesnt talk about people is twofold.
First, he doesnt care too much for people and secondly, he doesnt really associate with people very much, neither in his work or at home.
When he does interact with other people, he doesnt gossip to me about them afterwards so he thinks he holds the high ground on this issue.

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Judith0000 · 07/06/2021 19:05

@ClawedButler

As I read through your post, OP, I just found myself feeling dismayed and saddened. Sadly it seems that having had an unsupportive/scapegoat/punching bag model of home life, you've gone on to replicate that as an adult.

This does not mean it is "your fault". Arseholes gonna arse.

This is probably an accurate description of my upbringing. My sister was the type of child to report any misbehaving she thought she saw, or indeed did see, straight back to our parents, irrespective of the trouble we would get into. To give you some idea, there is a family story that still gets rolled out. I was playing out with my friends and a much younger sibling of my friends was about to run in the road on the way home from the park. I grabbed him by his coat hood and shouted 'Get back here you little bugger!' I had heard DM call children buggers and I dont know why I said that, but immediately, my sister marched me home and took great relish in telling me she was going to tell my mum. I got into hot water for that.

This continued into my adolescence and adulthood.
My sister reported me to the police for driving a car I had just bought to my home. I was wrong. I had no insurance, and my sister thought it was wrong.
The upshot is that my sister is the kind of person who prefers to be right than happy.
Yet she has an abundance of friends whereas I have virtually none.

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Judith0000 · 07/06/2021 19:06

@2bazookas

DH is the safe trusted person to whom I can say anything at all in total confidence (about anything and anybody, including our children) and know it will never be repeated, passed on or thrown back at me. Same goes for him.

Your son is being a brat; I suggest you silently withdraw laundry, bedroom cleaning , taxi and menu services until he starts whining . Then tell him "I'm making my point. Can you guess what it is, yet? "

Would I alienate DS further if I do this? I would just like him to respect me. I really dont want him to hate me Sad
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Judith0000 · 07/06/2021 19:07

@EKGEMS

Yeah therapy is great but your biggest problem is the abusive mother fucker you're married to! Your well being will improve drastically when you're away from him!
I'm kind of hoping I can implement some changes, but I also know I cant spend the next 40 years like this.
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Judith0000 · 07/06/2021 19:08

@ButtercupSquash

Miss Manners of the ‘Washington Post’ said that talking about people behind their backs should be encouraged within the family because it is the reward for having said nothing at the time.
I will have to try to remember this, word for word, to say in my head probably, but I like this. Smile
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gobackanddoitproperly · 07/06/2021 19:15

He won't hate you! He'll respect you.

mathanxiety · 07/06/2021 19:23

It's not you. You're not over sensitive. You are being treated very badly by your husband, who is a piece of shit.

Underrneath the rudeness, your son is likely very unhappy to see his father treat his mother so badly.

Cadent · 07/06/2021 19:23

Would I alienate DS further if I do this?
I would just like him to respect me. I really dont want him to hate me sad

Op, I'm angry on your behalf, and I advise you to leave your husband, but you are being a bit wet. Your 14yo son is treating you like an inferior, dumb, housemate who does all his chores and you're sadfacing about it! Get some fire in your belly for goodness' sake! Tell the brat how it's going to be from now on!!

category12 · 07/06/2021 19:30

Would I alienate DS further if I do this?
I would just like him to respect me. I really dont want him to hate me

Honestly? If you start asserting yourself and establishing good boundaries with your son and other people, yes, they will push back and kick off about it to begin with.

But if you continue to allow yourself to be badly treated by him like this, he will develop contempt for you (and likely women in general). And that's far worse in the long term than some initial bust-ups when you start standing up for yourself.

MintyMabel · 07/06/2021 19:37

DH will happily do housework, but he works long hours so most of it falls to me

That old chestnut. If he would happily do housework, he would be doing it.

Pull your son up for being a dick, each and every time he is a dick.

Misty84 · 07/06/2021 19:59

Your DH is horrible, how sad that you can’t trust him with your true feelings and opinions about people and situations. That’s what he should be there for!
Not a healthy relationship at all OP, no wonder you feel rotten. So sorry. 🌸

KeepingTrack · 07/06/2021 20:13

May I strongly suggest counselling ASAP?

From what you are saying about your DH, I don’t think he is going to take your newfound confidence well.
I suspect his behaviour will get worse and you will end up second guessing yourself a lot. You need support in RL imo.

Hilarias · 07/06/2021 20:44

Your DH sounds like a total humorless git. Part of the joy of long-term cohabiting is bitching about other people together - it’s what holds a lot of relationships together in my opinion! Also he is bullying you and teaching your son to do the same.

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