To think this is just a joke now?

[Justinversusmrtumble]

Portugal possibly going back onto the amber list.
The only thing keeping my parents going is coming to celebrate toddlers DD’s birthday in the summer. It’s getting beyond ridiculous now. Feeling so low today, I miss my family so much.

@osbertthesyrianhamster I’m actually quite shocked by some of the nastiness, it’s one thing having a differing opinion, but being downright nasty is something else 🤷🏻‍♀️
BUT the understanding and kind people override it and that’s what matters, especially for everyone at the moment.

@osbertthesyrianhamster fine, I’ll expand: given that Portugal experienced a deep economic crisis from which it struggled to recover and had to be bailed out by the IMF. It’s not ridiculous to suggest that there might be more jobs about in the U.K. given the context of the Portuguese economy. Regardless, as I said, I used to live abroad for work. I moved back because being close to family was more important to me. If that’s the case for OP too then she needs to make a change rather than just whinging (btw OP you will get fewer annoyed responses if you post your thread somewhere other than AIBU eg covid topic)

But surely your parents can still go to Portugal. It is just that they need to quarantine at home when they return - and pay for the two, or three, tests. That’s what an Amber country means. Unless it’s Portugal itself that has now got different rules.

They just want to be with us.

Well that's what happens when people decide to move abroad.

Has everyone seen that @Tiktokersmiracle is getting married?? Just checking no one missed it.

@starfishmummy

They just want to be with us.

Well that's what happens when people decide to move abroad.

Then maybe read the thread again and see WHY this is not as simple as ‘normal when you decide to move abroad’

Some people would be closer to their relatives with them in Europe than people within the U.K. (eg people living in the south east having family living in France in Britanny vs london to Scotland)

I’m at the lack of compassion and the ability of some posters to say ‘well it’s all you adult dont care’....

@Tiktokersmiracle are you supposed to put your whole life into the OP now? And guess what would or wouldn't be an issue/brought by other posters?

If you manage to have that sort of insight in advance, you’ll have to explain how you do that.

Posting in AIBU doesn’t mean it’s allowed to be a twat and lack compassion for other people.

@DreamingNow I know..scary isn’t it. I’m guessing they’re doing it deliberately for a rise 🤷🏻‍♀️because who honestly is like that or says things like that in real life.

@PattyPan Even describes all this as me ‘Whinging’

[quote Justinversusmrtumble]@osbertthesyrianhamster I’m actually quite shocked by some of the nastiness, it’s one thing having a differing opinion, but being downright nasty is something else 🤷🏻‍♀️
BUT the understanding and kind people override it and that’s what matters, especially for everyone at the moment.[/quote]
I’ll refer you back to my first post on this thread.
I didn’t think you would get reasonable response. But the lack of compassion has been quite a sight.
Unfortunately it seems to be quite prevalent on MN atm

OP, where have you got this idea that your parents can’t come if Portugal goes on the Amber list?

Ah, it's the old "people who don't agree with me lack compassion!" argument. Lots more of them atm.

@PattyPan, your posts are quite nasty towards the OP. You are basing your assumptions on the choices you were able to make at that time, not everyone has the luxury of choice at the moment
Perhaps a little comparison and empathy would be better, we are all suffering
You are not coming across well at all

@DreamingNow Exactly, I didn’t feel the need to post every single detail in my original post 🤷🏻‍♀️I assumed it was enough sadness to not be seeing my family, but somehow to a couple of posters, this is all my own fault for ever moving away, not foreseeing a pandemic which would actually cause us to not be able to travel etc etc. So on top of feeling sad about the situation, I now feel even more guilty than I did already about being here and not being able to see my parents.

That’s a shame OP x

You have to wonder the point of people being vaccinated if they don’t get any advantage from doing it such as being able to travel.

The worldwide situation changed.
I cant say I remember anyone saying even two years ago, that if you have family abroad, beware, consider your plans, there is a global pandemic coming.

So people do need more compassion for the millions of people who are caught up in that, often through no fault whatsoever, of their own.

The whole traffic light system is an absolute joke. They can claim it's based on "data" all they want but it makes no sense. The test to release scheme is the best example - it's just about money. I feel for you OP and don't think you're unreasonable at all. Frankly how can anyone support what Hancock is saying after all the dirty lies he's told us is beyond me.

@daisypond Hi, this morning all over the forums here it’s being discussed and many saying it means people can only come over for emergency reasons (funeral etc) also that it means travel insurance is invalid. Others are saying they can come but will have to quarantine on arrival back in the U.K., which is completely fine. I guess we’ll just have to wait until the announcement. There’s a hell of a lot of confusion about it all here and more stress again for the restaurant’s etc who had everything in place ready and had a few weeks of some profit coming in and now may be without custom again.

That’s it, if the vaccine won’t change anything, what’s the point

I feel for you OP and, like others, I am astounded by some of the nastiness on this thread.

Maybe come over and post on the CV board where there is a support thread. A lot of posters on there are, like you, the ones that are "abroad"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4249925-Support-thread-for-those-with-family-abroad?msgid=107888187

I agree we should have just stuck with no travel until 2022, it’s what most people expected to happen anyway

And there speaks someone who doesn't work in the travel industry.

It's definitely back on the amber list, just announced.

People dying of Covid and suffering long Covid are clearly dreadful things but it doesn’t mean that people still aren’t allowed to be upset or vent about other things.

OP, Portugal is still welcoming UK visitors as far as I know. Amber restrictions only apply on their return, so they'll need to pay for testing and quarantine when they get back (10 days, or 5 if they pay for an additional test). There is nothing stopping people flying to amber countries if they'll have us.

@ThursdayWeld

Ah, it's the old "people who don't agree with me lack compassion!" argument. Lots more of them atm.

Nope nothing to do with not agreeing with other posters.

But when someone posts on something that is clearly and difficult and touchy subject, such nit seeing her parents for more than 1 year, answering with sneering or telling her she is just whinging etc... basically telling her SHE is the one who is carp is showing a total lack of compassion.

To be honest, if you actually think that not agreeing with a poster allows you o be rude and harsh, then you are part of the problem. You can say the same thing in a nice and respectful way.