Mr Wetherspoon - otherwise known as Mr Leave UK - wants his EU workers back.

[longwayoff]

AIBU to be laughing,. A lot. What is he to do? He's lost his supply of cheap labour having voted and campaigned for it to happen.

I guess that's an example of a Brexit voter not realising what would ensue; dare I suggest 'Brexit' meaning quite a few different things to different people - always enticingly intangible and eminently ethereal.
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Wheels starting to rattle ?

www.theregister.com/2021/06/03/uk_data_protection_eu_parl/

One of my highlights was arguing with a guy who came with the idea that illegal workers are in Britain to get the social benefits

So many people think this. All I can say is they have obviously been fortunate enough never to have to claim benefits themselves. Nobody would do it voluntarily, it is such a demeaning process, even when it's only temporary and you are claiming between jobs, as in my case.

Current.

@looptheloopinahulahoop

One of my highlights was arguing with a guy who came with the idea that illegal workers are in Britain to get the social benefits

So many people think this. All I can say is they have obviously been fortunate enough never to have to claim benefits themselves. Nobody would do it voluntarily, it is such a demeaning process, even when it's only temporary and you are claiming between jobs, as in my case.

And the last thing somebody in the country illegally would do is try to claim a benefit that they a) wouldn't be entitled to as they're in the country illegally and b) would be effectively waving a big flag to immigration saying 'yoo-hoo! I'm here and I'm illegal! Please come and detain me for months in a shithole before deporting me!'

longwayoff
Current.

Yes, I noted that. His pre-referendum comments seemed relevant to me - your op implies that he campaigned to stop freedom of movement. Current link if you insist - 2 days ago;

The boss of Wetherspoons has denied claims his pubs are facing a staff shortage caused by Brexit.

It comes after Tim Martin was quoted by the Daily Telegraph as saying he favoured a more "liberal" visa scheme for EU workers to tackle shortfalls.

Mr Martin later told the BBC the comment has been taken out of context...There was "no recruitment issue" other than in small coastal towns.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57314682

Oh. "Out of context". Of course.

your op implies that he campaigned to stop freedom of movement

Actually I didn't mean to post that - I meant your op implies that he campaigned to stop EU workers coming to the UK.

He himself talked about point system and how immigrants should have qualifications the country needs.

Well, we got that. I personally would not come to UK to work in hospitality if I had to get visa, pay this and that etc with pound exchange rates and livong expenses, if I were deciding today

[quote Clavinova]Can you find a current CandP in support of Tim Martin?

I have a CandP from prior to the referendum. His views on immigration don't appear to have changed - he was pro Brexit and pro immigration. I don't visit his pubs myself, but I can't see that he is a hypocrite;

3 June 2016
Martin insists his position against the EU has nothing to do with immigration – admitting his business has benefited from the freedom of movement – and is instead about regaining sovereignty.

He said if Britain votes to leave the union, he would want the current rules allowing EU nationals to work in the UK to continue.

www.buzzfeed.com/simonneville/pro-brexit-wetherspoons-chief-says-1-in-10-staff-are-from-ov[/quote]
Not a hypocrite, just fucking stupid, like most people who voted for Brexit.

You cannot leave the EU and keep FOM, that was never on offer, no party, leader or campaign ever said that would happen because that would mean staying IN the Single Market (as he wanted the current EU rules to continue)

You are not stupid Clav, so you know this is true.

Mr Martin later told the BBC the comment has been taken out of context...There was "no recruitment issue" other than in small coastal towns

Lol Out of context???? Like Plymouth, Newquay, Torbay, Bristol, Southampton, Brighton... yeah small towns where he has little presence & makes even less money :)

He didn't want FOM as it was. Numerous times he mentioned that immigration is needed but suggested similar to Australian system.
Sorry but people will just not jump through hoops towork 'Spoons if they have 27 countries where these hoops aren't present.

UK is simply not worth that hassle anymore, which is quite sad

"The boy stood on the burning deck
Whence all but he had fled" . . .
The good ship Brexit.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

He didn't want FOM as it was. Numerous times he mentioned that immigration is needed but suggested similar to Australian system. Sorry but people will just not jump through hoops towork 'Spoons if they have 27 countries where these hoops aren't present.

UK is simply not worth that hassle anymore, which is quite sad

He said if Britain votes to leave the union, he would want the current rules allowing EU nationals to work in the UK to continue

I was taking that from Clavinova's post/link.

Yeah. That's just one link. He spoke to lots of newspapers and mentioned point based system

He himself talked about point system and how immigrants should have qualifications the country needs.

Is he quoted as saying points/qualification based? In the link he talks about;
"A reasonably liberal immigration system controlled by those we have elected, as distinct from the EU system..."

"America, Australia and Singapore have benefited for many decades from this approach. Immigration combined with democracy works."

In the 2016 link he mentions New Zealand, North America and Singapore - although New Zealand have recently announced they are going to reduce immigration of ''low-skill” and low-wage workers.

Just looked at a US immigration site - they have a visa suitable for lower paid hospitality workers;

Visa Temporary workers - For workers coming to work for a limited duration, Hospitality and other shortage occupations. Max 3 years.

You cannot leave the EU and keep FOM

Not FOM for all - but I thought the Labour Party's version of Brexit wanted to keep freedom of movement of workers at one stage.

Is he quoted as saying points/qualification based? In the link he talks about;
"A reasonably liberal immigration system controlled by those we have elected, as distinct from the EU system..."

We were in the EU, part of its decision making and we did vote for it, repeatedly, every 5 years or so........ even in 2015, UKIP got 3m votes, if it were so unpopular, why didn't they get more?

The costs for an immigrant to work in the uk on a temp work visa are huge.
Martin has got what he voted for, he should stop moaning.

If you read more than 1 buzfeed link you will find that he did numerous times mentioned point based system for immigrants.
We now have that.

@Clavinova

You cannot leave the EU and keep FOM

Not FOM for all - but I thought the Labour Party's version of Brexit wanted to keep freedom of movement of workers at one stage.

Yes Labours messages on Brexit were a bit mixed up weren't they? no wonder no one understood it!

You should try criticising the party you support too.... liberating! lol!

The UK made it clear what Brexit meant for immigration, the Tories, at no point, ever wanted any sort of work arounds on immigration/work visas or even educational programme's.

jasjas1973
Not a hypocrite, just stupid, like most people who voted for Brexit.

Brexit is not looking too bad to me;

www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-manufacturing/nissan-plans-open-uk-battery-gigafactory-2024

www.mtdmfg.com/

[quote Clavinova]jasjas1973
Not a hypocrite, just stupid, like most people who voted for Brexit.

Brexit is not looking too bad to me;

www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-manufacturing/nissan-plans-open-uk-battery-gigafactory-2024

www.mtdmfg.com/[/quote]
Did you read your link? state subsidy has always worked out well in the past.....
The FT's sources claim that Nissan wants "tens of millions of pounds" worth of support from the British government and to secure lower energy costs for the plant's operation

Has Sunak agreed to this?

Goodness Clavinova, the man trained as a barrister, so you'd think he'd understand the concept of sovereignty and realise we never lost it; we haven't had to regain anything.

The reality is he didn't want the imposition of EY measures to address tax avoidance on him. As ever, its about greed and money.

There was something on YouTube recently, a couple of farmers complaining that Brexit as it happened wasn't what they wanted. Apparently the farmers wanted things to go back in time.

jasjas1973
Has Sunak agreed to this?

Probably - Germany are giving at least €1bn to Tesla.

LemonRoses
Goodness Clavinova, the man trained as a barrister, so you'd think he'd understand the concept of sovereignty and realise we never lost it; we haven't had to regain anything.

He clearly disagrees with you from an advantage point.

The reality is he didn't want the imposition of EU measures to address tax avoidance on him.

Unlikely;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/50168357

fullfact.org/online/brexit-not-concealing-offshore-accounts/