To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

[Bassarid]

Is it just me?

Derogiur

Yes life does get better than that, if you have your family, it's someone sad that people either don't know how awful a family unit break down is that gets that nasty or what loosing a parent does to you.

Didn't citizen kane teach us this

Well said@DeRigueurMortis

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

Well said@DeRigueurMortis

Yes indeed.

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

Derogiur

Yes life does get better than that, if you have your family, it's someone sad that people either don't know how awful a family unit break down is that gets that nasty or what loosing a parent does to you.

Didn't citizen kane teach us this

No one has said being wealthy makes you immune to suffering but my god it gives you a very comfy cushion on which to fall - something the vast majority of people who've lost both income and loved ones in this crisis have done without.

Again I also repeat that this "toxic" family narrative only started after their demands were not met...

Harry did a Radio 4 program interviewing his father and is on record saying how they talked for hours and hours. The segment demonstrated a seemingly close relationship.

H keeps re-writing history though. Apparently a few years ago it was his brother who encouraged him to get therapy, now it's his wife...

It's not competition deadline rigour but I doubt many people have lost a parent in the way Harry did, publicly, in a stiff family, the death raked over and over, media making all sorts of lewd claims about her body, her alleged pregnancy, death at the hands of mi6, death called by the Royal family, her stolen possessions, the coffin walk, the accusations, on and on and on

Bloody good post, DeRiguer

I wish Oprah had done a decent interview and asked them about that ridiculous exit statement.

And also ... why Meghan and Harry didn't show Mr Markle some courtesy and go and meet him, rather than expecting him to show up and walk his daughter down the aisle in front of millions of television viewers.

I don't think H&M every really thought Thomas Markle would be there.

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Sorry for a tik tok link but its interesting to see that some American news are calling them out for bs

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

It's not competition deadline rigour but I doubt many people have lost a parent in the way Harry did, publicly, in a stiff family, the death raked over and over, media making all sorts of lewd claims about her body, her alleged pregnancy, death at the hands of mi6, death called by the Royal family, her stolen possessions, the coffin walk, the accusations, on and on and on

I never said it was a competition.

Rather I'd flip it and say that someone whose actually experienced such a tragedy might actually be empathetic to the suffering of others happening right now and use their experiences of trauma to help others by using their platform to constructively to talk about MH.

Instead we see H *using" MH as a platform to score points against his family for both financial gain and as a "fuck you".

There's nothing laudable about that at all.

@Blossomtoes

when did it all turn?

My perception is that it began when on the African tour with the Tom Bradby interview. The tone deaf “Nobody asks me if I’m OK” against a backdrop of poverty made a lot of people ask Wtf? It all seemed to go downhill from there.

Yes, for me that's when I began to grow cold towards her, and when it started to become apparent what hypocrites they were with the private jet thing. It began to feel like they were preaching to us. Previously I had really liked her and couldn't care less about the criticism she was getting for getting protocol wrong. I thought she was trying hard to please, was a good role model and would modernise the RF. I by no means despise her though.

Of course he wasn't expected by them. He wasn't invited.

@Bluntness100

I think also because they keep doing it in mansions doesn’t help. If they did it in a studio or hotel suite it would be better, but sitting in a beautiful multi million pound house whinging your dad cut you off financially, when you’re knocking on forty, and trash talking your own family for money, is really not a great pr move.

It's also a lot worse than what Megan's father did. Poor chap just put a smart suit on. I think they are both sadly quite unwell.

Of course he wasn't expected by them. He wasn't invited.

Of course he was invited.

They arranged special clothes for him, arranged a special flight, took care of everything so all he had to do was get on the plane. He refused to attend and stopped taking Meghan's phone calls.

Of course the infamous Jason Knauf was assigned the job specifically of being Thomas Markle's handler, so no wonder things went south.

Mr Markle said he didnt get an invitation. If you dont get an invitation to a royal wedding you don't go. Maybe he lied. Who knows.

He could have far more honest conversations with the from afar without involving the rest of the world. It's all just so pointless

There must be a point to it. Just why would he be having a one-way conversation with his family involving the rest of the world when he knows they can't respond?

He’s fucked if ever they get divorced - he’s just gone on record saying he drinks to deal with mental health issues, has a toxic family and wouldn’t get his wife help when she was suicidal. It’s the first thing my friend said who’s going through a separation now and I can’t help but think he’s an absolute muppet. Don’t get me started on his hypocrisy anyway (I’m just like you! It’s the worst being born into the royals! But I’m never giving up my title! Forget when I used to be racist and use the p word!)

I have just read the whole thread 😴

Some people claiming that others are awful to Harry and Meghan whilst been horrible themselves to other RF members and vice versa. Which really is ironic 🤔

As for Harry, he looks ill. I imagine, at the place he is now, he wouldn't accept help from his family in the UK, so only Meghan and her mum can help him now and potentially direct him towards some form of healing. He is coming across like a child who lost control and can no longer her or process what others are saying and is stuck in a vicious cycle.

I think the victimhood game, the selling your persona/reality show for big money, the trashing of an "outdated institution" and general publicity chasing plays very well in America. My US friends feel great sympathy for Harry and just don't get why we find it embarrassing or shudder at the money aspect. I don't think M or H remotely care how it comes across here.

I recognise Harry’s behaviour as have a cousin like this (female) who went bizarre when their gran died, like competitive grieving when she didn’t get as much inheritance as she wanted, fought like hell and claimed she loved her the most and no one knew the gran like she did... though she’d never visited her made all sorts of horrible claims in public about her family and sisters, but they didn’t want to retaliate as would lose her... I was like just dump her already... seems similar and similar trigger aka money.

Plus Harry... you’re slagging off your gran and her parenting, she JUST lost her husband. He comes across as totally empathy lacking. Like read the room... plus your brother had the exact same upbringing.

Aaaand I’m mega liberal and thought he’d be cool and anti-establishment especially in the states. But no, clinging to that title for dear life and wanting one for his kid... a title from a system he says ruined his childhood walk the walk Harry... talk about how you were racist, give up your title, name the racist person in your family. Otherwise it’s just more waffle.

All he’s doing is lashing out and selling gossip. If he cared about being anti racist he’d name the racist!! Sorry but as a liberal I’m not sure what the value is in him being basically a low calorie royal in Cali

@ohforarainyday

Of course he wasn't expected by them. He wasn't invited.

Of course he was invited.

They arranged special clothes for him, arranged a special flight, took care of everything so all he had to do was get on the plane. He refused to attend and stopped taking Meghan's phone calls.

Of course the infamous Jason Knauf was assigned the job specifically of being Thomas Markle's handler, so no wonder things went south.

I guess Jason Knauf prevented Harry going to meet Thomas Markle, did he, during the whole time he and Meghan were dating, right up till the wedding? Same old song, it's always someone else's fault.

Instead we see H using" MH as a platform to score points against his family for both financial gain and as a "fuck you".*

This.

It's obvious to most people that he is mentally unwell (I have some sympathy there), but his first priority was and still is to very publicly smear his own family. He has other bombshells to drop no doubt but, as that's all he has in his locker he'll drop them over a period of time to maximise his mileage with the added bonus for him of drawing out the anxiety felt by his 95 year old grandmother, his father and his brother. The championing of mental health issues and standing up to bullying is a facade and one he is not intelligent enough to pull it off. He is a bully himself and his behaviour is affecting his own families mental health but that's unimportant to him, it's all about me, me, woe is me (embarrassing for a middle aged man).

He is a hypocrite who has become adept at revising history and I have no issue calling it out whenever and wherever I see it.

@Crackoflightning

He could have far more honest conversations with the from afar without involving the rest of the world. It's all just so pointless

There must be a point to it. Just why would he be having a one-way conversation with his family involving the rest of the world when he knows they can't respond?

My guess is he’s hoping for hush money. That surely must be the motive.

Does anyone else think William looks awful these days? He looks pasty, has dark circles under his eyes and generally looks like he’s going through the motions. He doesn’t look particularly well or happy either. I wonder what sort of effect all this is having on him.

@ohforarainyday

Of course he wasn't expected by them. He wasn't invited.

Of course he was invited.

They arranged special clothes for him, arranged a special flight, took care of everything so all he had to do was get on the plane. He refused to attend and stopped taking Meghan's phone calls.

Of course the infamous Jason Knauf was assigned the job specifically of being Thomas Markle's handler, so no wonder things went south.

Ohforarainyday you are quite extraordinarily critical of a private individual here and have mentioned others as well in earlier posts. This is clearly complete speculation about people who have no right of reply and is both unnecessary and rather undermines any claims you might be making for the moral high ground here. With defenders like you, who needs enemies….

@ohforarainyday

The PW affair rumours were started on Twitter by someone called Nicole Cliffe. She describes herself as a Meghan 'stan', (which is a portmanteau of stalker and fan).

That's an absolute, complete lie.

The rumours were common knowledge amongst the aristo set and the British media a long time before Harry and Meghan even got engaged and they certainly predate that person's tweets.

The one thing that made the rumour explode into the public consciousness was Prince William's extreme and angry response to the "Kate fell out with a neighbour" story and that all happened before the tweet in question.

The Earl's granddaughter who told a Royal Reporter who is himself from an aristo and royal-connected family that William had an affair (and the other two "reliable sources" that RR claimed had told him about the affair), you really think all three of them take their gossip from some random Meghan fan on Twitter?

Do you think all the aristos and journalists claiming to have insider knowledge all take their info from a random person on Twitter?

What about Rose Hanbury's brother making a public statement confirming that William and Rose enjoyed private dinners just the two of them while Kate was away?

Why has William had such an extreme over-reaction, using the full force of legal threats, and censoring the press from even mentioning Rose Hanbury's name, if this entire thing is just some random person tweeting shit?

It's sheer lies and conspiracy theory to blame Meghan and her fans. Whether the affair happened or not, it certainly didn't come from some person on Twitter.

It would be a bit odd if William had t gone in all guns blazing when accused of cheating on his wife. I imagine Kate was distraught at the media reports and if untrue this would have really upset both of them.

@Bassarid

Is it just me?

I'm not surprised really, people who gossip or air their dirty laundry soon become yesterday's chip paper