To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

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Is it just me?

@ohforarainyday

It’s a matter of sublime indifference whether you believe me or not.

That's fine, but please stop acting like someone saying "well x journalist said this, x source printed this, here's William's own response, and here's a press statement by this other person" is remotely comparable to someone rocking up claiming to have secret insider info that contradicts official sources and expecting people to simply take their word for it.

amusedtodeath1, Blossom didn't say anything about Harry's educational qualifications. She claimed that her time spent inside her husband's mess hall gave her insider info that "every single officer" knows that Harry "was a woeful flyer, absolutely terrible, he never actually flew even once he just sat next to the pilot." So not only is Blossom claiming to speak for every single officer in the entire country (really? You've spoken to every single one?) but she's making up some very nasty allegations without a word of proof. Harry's GCSEs don't say anything about whether he was a good flyer or not, or how successful he was once he started training and working as a pilot.

Harry's qualifications and military record are a matter of a public record. It's a fact that he holds a pilot's licence. It's a fact that he qualified as an Apache Helicopter Commander. It's a fact that he won an award, and that he was top of his class at El Centro. It's a fact that he's been widely praised by his army peers for his skill as a pilot.

So no, if Blossom wants us to believe that his entire military career is all just made up as part of some conspiracy, that actually he never flew and was terrible at it, she's going to need more than "I'm an army wife and therefore know what every officer in the country thinks and you're just going to have to take my word for it." And claiming Harry never flew and is shit at it is absolutely a vicious claim IMO.

The irony that rainy day's posts here have been a stream of nasty allegations presented as facts, with an airy 'it's all been widely reported' to justify it and no more. But expecting all that then just to be accepted at face value!

Well you could be right about that Rainy, I CBA to fact check but I believe he has those qualifications. My point is that I wasn't discussing Harry's career with anyone and therefore I didn't take that much notice of blossoms post. You and someone else brought that into it when I said YOUR post was unsubstantiated, I didn't say blossoms was factually correct. I said the A Levels and required qualifications for pilot training were fact checkable and that's why I didn't question it.

But this is all just a huge attempt to get the thread off topic or steer it away from stuff you don't want to discuss.

Prince Harry won his award as a co pilot gunner not as a pilot. After failing his theory and having to do a few retakes and eventually passing he ended up as the gunner precisely because he isn’t as good a pilot as he is a gunner and isn’t as good a pilot as other pilots. As are the vast majority of CPGs. It doesn’t matter what he did, he served but he didn’t win that aware because he’s a great pilot.

Definitely a case of I can't prove what I'm saying so I'll deflect by highlighting someone else's post. It doesn't matter.

So like a lot of people, reached his limit.

Unlike a lot of people, had something else readily available!

For those who seem to absolutely despise Megan, at what point did you form your opinions? This always intrigues me as to my knowledge she really didn’t put a foot wrong on her early public appearances with Harry. I still can’t understand where the vitriol comes from.

@amusedtodeath1

SO, they had money both of them when they married, no mortgage beautiful home, paid work with the Firm, security and an allowance from Daddy

They quit, the salary goes away, they move, the security goes away, they piss off daddy and the allowance goes too.

I don't see how they're not in anyway responsible for their financial position tbh.

This. IIRC H was getting over 2 million per year as his "allowance".

If H&M were told that there was "no money for Meghan", it could only be that she wanted an extra 2 million too?

Well we're going to have to agree to disagree.

IMO the fact that a minority of posters have spent three years making up the most vile lies about Meghan and spreading horrible rumours about her - and those same posters are now acting judgy and sanctimonious about people wanting to discuss widely reported news stories - is absolutely pertinent to the debate.

A minority of posters have a history of posting the most vile things, getting their own threads deleted, then flat out lying and denying they ever said those things, and attacking and gaslighting those who want to hold them accountable for their own words.

I remember a thread after the wedding where a poster used a racial slur and of course the post was quickly deleted. Later on the discussion turned to the old cliche "People hate Meghan because she's awful not because of race I've literally never seen a single racist comment about her ever." Someone commented "So-and-so literally posted X in this very thread yesterday" and it sparked three pages of just the most extreme abuse. Everyone who'd actually seen the post containing the slur before it was deleted were called liars, abusive, shit stirrers, how dare they accuse a fellow Mumsnetter of lying, calling another MNer a liar is the very lowest thing a person can do, of course so-and-so never posted X that's outrageous how dare you.

Finally someone actually posted a screenshot they'd made of the racial slur post before it was deleted. Proving that so-and-so really had posted X, and then lied and pretended she hadn't.

Did anyone apologise? Did anyone admit they were wrong?

No. They turned on the poster who'd posted the screencap and called her a deranged, obsessive stalker. Because how dare someone have proof that they're telling the truth, right?

Not a single word of condemnation for the poster who'd used a racial slur, lied about it, then attacked and tried to gaslight the posters who'd actually seen it.

This happens all the time here and it's not acceptable. If people say nasty things, it should be permitted to point out that they said those things. People need to be held accountable for their words.

It is also a matter of public record that he failed his theory exam in 2009 and was send for further training including an equity and diversity course after some racist comments.Wasn’t a pilot in his first tour but a air controller. On is second tour he was a gunner and finally passed his pilot licence after his second tour and within a few months resigned from the army altogether.

Who despises Meghan? This thread has been mainly about Harry?

Trouble is, when eventually you feel strong enough to speak your truth, no-one wants to hear it - no-one at all

Then they might do better to stick to the truth instead of this faddish and utterly ridiculous concept called their truth

We see this kind of thing constantly from the RF - I believe the polite word is spin - but since it's Harry being discussed I'm getting weary of the silly claims (all rehashed endlessly) which so often turn out to be misleading at best

There's a thing called credibility, and now he's out in the wider world and no longer propped up by those who'll spin to defend his every word and action, he might do well to pay some attention to it

IMO the fact that a minority of posters have spent three years making up the most vile lies about Meghan and spreading horrible rumours about her - and those same posters are now acting judgy and sanctimonious about people wanting to discuss widely reported news stories - is absolutely pertinent to the debate.

Again - who are these posters?

There will always be assholes who will make vile comments, but they're the minority. Most people aren't like that at all.

@CrabPuff

Harry couldn’t really stay on in the army because he wasn’t academic enough to pass the exams for promotion and he obviously didn’t want to be Captain Wales forever while his friends progressed up the ranks and was unsuited to a desk job.

I have also heard that he wasn’t brilliant at being a pilot. It’s not easy anyway but not his forte.

There aren’t any exams for promotion for officers. They’re promoted on the recommendation of their commanding officers. He’d definitely have made major, probably lieutenant colonel and possibly colonel. That could have been where he stuck but there was easily another decade in his career.

You really can't go blaming everyone who disagrees for a few assholes who we all know would criticise her whatever she did/does.

We really should just report and ignore anyone saying awful shit just for the sake of it, whether that's about H&M or W&K or anyone tbf.

@RealhousewifeofStoke

For those who seem to absolutely despise Megan, at what point did you form your opinions? This always intrigues me as to my knowledge she really didn’t put a foot wrong on her early public appearances with Harry. I still can’t understand where the vitriol comes from.

Yes I asked this Q up thread - when did the hate start in the press? I remember it being v positive that a woman of colour was joining the RF, loads of positivity around the wedding, trip to Africa etc.....when did it all turn?

To my recollection the bad press started with Samantha and Thomas. I don't recall seeing anything in the mainstream before that but I avoid all SM like the plague, I'm sure there was a lot of crap on there before that.

when did it all turn?

My perception is that it began when on the African tour with the Tom Bradby interview. The tone deaf “Nobody asks me if I’m OK” against a backdrop of poverty made a lot of people ask Wtf? It all seemed to go downhill from there.

@RealhousewifeofStoke

For those who seem to absolutely despise Megan, at what point did you form your opinions? This always intrigues me as to my knowledge she really didn’t put a foot wrong on her early public appearances with Harry. I still can’t understand where the vitriol comes from.

Can you accept that some people just think she's a hypocrite with no self-awareness rather than "absolutely despise" her? Why the hyperbole? You're not on Oprah.

I don’t really get the comments about Archie getting security. Why would a baby have his own met officers protecting him? Archie didn’t go anywhere on his own. 🤨

Can you accept that some people just think she's a hypocrite with no self-awareness rather than "absolutely despise" her? Why the hyperbole? You're not on Oprah.

So that justifies the relentless character assassinations, the endless negativity, the weird obsessions similar to Morgans rantings?

Someone upthread mentions the screen shotted comments. Fucking horrific. And fuck all to do with her being a hypocrite or lacking self awareness

@Bluntness100

I don’t really get the comments about Archie getting security. Why would a baby have his own met officers protecting him? Archie didn’t go anywhere on his own. 🤨

Is this a serious comment?

My perception is that it began when on the African tour with the Tom Bradby interview. The tone deaf “Nobody asks me if I’m OK” against a backdrop of poverty made a lot of people ask Wtf? It all seemed to go downhill from there.

I agree that was a turning point. In the space of three months there was the ITV interview, the private jet thing and not going to Balmoral because Archie was too young but then taking him to France to Elton's house. And also announcing that they had single handedly modernised the monarchy which was a bit 🤔

I'm sure there were some fucking horrific comments, people can be very cruel. Just because some are vicious and unfair towards them doesn't mean they should be immune to fair criticism.

There's no way to stop people from saying anything, especially online, I can't see a solution to horrible people. I do know that the Palace couldn't have stopped it no matter how hard they tried.

Is this a serious comment?

Of course? We all know most royals have two types of security, private and met police, there was no need for Archie to have seperate met officers and if he ever went anywhere the adult who took him had the security. When he got older he would have had private security, paid foe my Charles, just like Meghan and Harry’s was.