To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

[Bassarid]

Is it just me?

@ohforarainyday

Harry was not brought up to have any 'real' kind of job. William was a helicopter pilot and worked for Air Sea Rescue

Oh come on. Harry was a decorated Military Captain who served in the Army for ten years and did two tours of Afghanistan. Harry is a fully qualified Apache helicopter commander who actually flew helicopters in active combat and shot at the Taliban. William was a co-pilot who flew part-time for a couple of years. In addition Harry started Invictus Games and Sentebale.

According to the Army inside track Harry is an absolutely woeful pilot, truly terrible. He didn’t fly anything in active combat, he sat beside they guy who did. Just like Andrew got the safe maintenance flights in the Falklands. The main benefits of Harry being in Afghanistan were that it boosted troop morale and it kept him out of trouble.

@ohforarainyday

Whether you like her or not stuff like that shouldn't be repeated.

Then blame the posters who brought it to Mumsnet in the first place. It's disgusting that posters who I know for a fact engaged in threads where those vile lies were first posted (gleefully commenting and spreading them) are now turning around and pretending to be shocked at me simply for mentioning the existence of lies they themselves started or helped spread.

Which posters?

Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

Chaos,

Who has been loving and supportive though! The aunts and uncles are all busy with their own family, children, exposes issues and his dad married the woman his mum was outsted for who also has her own dc and gc.

How close can he be to the ruling monarch whose position dictates Harry's own wife has to cutesy to her?

Who is this family gathering around him and supporting him?

That leaves William, possibly Kate and Charles.

Well not many people have a relative they curtsey to, I'll give you that. But the rest of the family situation you describe (busy relatives, second marriages) do happen in other families as well.

We can - and will - all react differently to the same circumstances and that doesn't mean anyone else is to blame or at fault.

I do think the role of being the 'spare' (and their spouse) is a hard one - important right up to the point your sibling produces children and then expected to find something else to do. I think all the recent spares and spouses (Margaret, Andrew, Harry) have struggled with finding a role for themselves as adults.

The PW affair rumours were started on Twitter by someone called Nicole Cliffe. She describes herself as a Meghan 'stan', (which is a portmanteau of stalker and fan).

That's an absolute, complete lie.

The rumours were common knowledge amongst the aristo set and the British media a long time before Harry and Meghan even got engaged and they certainly predate that person's tweets.

The one thing that made the rumour explode into the public consciousness was Prince William's extreme and angry response to the "Kate fell out with a neighbour" story and that all happened before the tweet in question.

The Earl's granddaughter who told a Royal Reporter who is himself from an aristo and royal-connected family that William had an affair (and the other two "reliable sources" that RR claimed had told him about the affair), you really think all three of them take their gossip from some random Meghan fan on Twitter?

Do you think all the aristos and journalists claiming to have insider knowledge all take their info from a random person on Twitter?

What about Rose Hanbury's brother making a public statement confirming that William and Rose enjoyed private dinners just the two of them while Kate was away?

Why has William had such an extreme over-reaction, using the full force of legal threats, and censoring the press from even mentioning Rose Hanbury's name, if this entire thing is just some random person tweeting shit?

It's sheer lies and conspiracy theory to blame Meghan and her fans. Whether the affair happened or not, it certainly didn't come from some person on Twitter.

Why has William had such an extreme over-reaction, using the full force of legal threats, and censoring the press from even mentioning Rose Hanbury's name, if this entire thing is just some random person tweeting shit?

Why do you think? If you were in his position and the media were proposing to print scurrilous lies about you, what would you do? That’s exactly the situation libel law exists for.

I agree the RF needs a total overhaul, but that is coming, little has changed since the queen came to the throne, when Charles is in the hotseat he will change it up a bit.

But I'd really like to keep a RF, it's a legacy that spans millennia and is historically very important. I know we could keep the history without them, but I really feel we would be losing something so unique.

I actually think if H & M had stayed the RF would have stronger support, initially they seemed dynamic & modern. Im not sure how PC will change it up a bit.

I feel for Harry - have done ever since he was made to walk in public behind his mother’s coffin. That he is suffering so much speaks volumes of being made maintain a stiff upper lip for so long it has damaged him. Trouble is, when eventually you feel strong enough to speak your truth, no-one wants to hear it - no-one at all

No disrespect Rainy Day but none of it has been proven and until it is it's just a nasty rumour to me and has no more credibility than the vile stuff about MM.

Blossomtoes it's despicable and deeply hypocritical that you repeat completely unfounded and unsourced gossip and lies about Harry's military career, yet in the same breathe defend William from the same thing you yourself are doing: spreading gossip.

Obviously you enjoy spreading malicious gossip when it's about people you happen to dislike.

That’s exactly the situation libel law exists for.
The article William flipped out over didn't even mention him.

Hardly any of the British press have reported on the affair rumour because they've been so muzzled. William's lawyers go on the attack whenever anyone mentions Rose Hanbury even in totally innocuous contexts. That's not a normal thing to do if, as posters claim, the entire 'rumour' is just one Meghan stan mouthing off on Twitter.

You could be right ncgy, they could have been very good for the RF, they certainly have a lot to offer. It's sad that it didn't work out like that.

PC has already laid out his plans for a much smaller RF going forward, only direct in line. Whether it goes far enough only time will tell. I think William will go even further.

Again no offense Rainy Day but you are the only person I've seen who has posted unsubstantiated gossip on this thread.

I read recently that Harry is on a diplomatic passport so any divorce would have to be handled in the UK.

it's despicable and deeply hypocritical that you repeat completely unfounded and unsourced gossip and lies about Harry's military career

It would be if I did that. Sadly, it’s completely true and every serving Army officer knows it.

but none of it has been proven

I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying three things:

1. Factually, the rumour pre-dates the tweets from the "Meghan stalker". Therefore it is simply a lie to claim the tweeter started the entire rumour. Unless she's a time traveller, no she did not.

1. There's plenty of evidence to suggest it might be true, outside of Internet gossip. Does that mean it's definitely true? No. But to claim it's just Twitter gossip is simply not factually accurate.

1. It's hypocritical that posters are posting truly vile and nasty gossip about Harry and Meghan, without even attempting to give a source or any evidence (stories I've never heard anywhere except Mumsnet), yet those same posters are claiming to be shocked and horrified at posters wanting to discuss well-reported press stories about William.

Harry never had the qualifications to get into sandhurst in the first place.
Sandhurst educational requirements is 72 acas points.
Harry has 64. A level art grade B worth 40 points and A level geography grade D worth 24 points. If he didn’t have Prince in front of his name do you think he would have still got his place?

It would be if I did that. Sadly, it’s completely true and every serving Army officer knows it.

Do you have proof?

Again no offense Rainy Day but you are the only person I've seen who has posted unsubstantiated gossip on this thread.
I suggest you read Blossomtoes's posts then.

And all the other posts on this thread that refer to William's alleged affair, because I'm not the only person on this thread who has mentioned it and in fact there are plenty of posts on this thread referring to the affair as though it definitely happened, which I have not done. I've used the word "allegedly" every single time I've mentioned it, and explicitly said we don't know for a fact whether it happened or not.

Funny how I'm being slammed for saying "alleged affair which we don't know whether it happened or not" yet other posters can blithely say "oh he had an affair" and I'm accused of being the only one repeating gossip?

And I'm not the poster who first posted the vile sexual rumours about Meghan. It was other posters who did that, albeit not on this thread.

@ncgy

It would be if I did that. Sadly, it’s completely true and every serving Army officer knows it.

Do you have proof?

Of course I don’t. Can anyone prove anything on this thread? I’ve spent enough time in officers’ messes to know though. It’s a bit like rainy’ aristocratic gossip - have you asked her for proof?

I think it's unfortunate that Harry doesn't seem well equipped to get a job.

That wuld be the best for the "spare"-a back up plan!

Why did he leave the forces when he did?-was it to do Royal duties-if so, why not decide then that as he would at some point be "pushed aside", perhaps better to get settled on another career path then!

What about Edward's two-they'll be expected to go out & earning a living won't they?

The fact that you had to write allegedly means it is unsubstantiated gossip. I mean no offense, I may well have missed other rumours but yours and the one with nasty rumours about MM were the ones I noticed.

No @Blossomtoes because the affair is rumours & gossip, we know there is no proof. But a poster said

Again no offense Rainy Day but you are the only person I've seen who has posted unsubstantiated gossip on this thread

Therefore I wanted to confirm if your gossip was substantiated or not.

Why did he leave the forces when he did?

I’ve wondered that too. There were a lot of aspects of the job he was apparently really good at, the squaddies loved him and he was great for morale. I think he’d have been much happier if he’d stayed in and they’d probably have found him some really interesting stuff to work on.

My view is whatever "side" vicious rumours should not be repeated.

@Blossomtoes

Why did he leave the forces when he did?

I’ve wondered that too. There were a lot of aspects of the job he was apparently really good at, the squaddies loved him and he was great for morale. I think he’d have been much happier if he’d stayed in and they’d probably have found him some really interesting stuff to work on.

Tabloid media blew his cover and compromised national security. Another reason for him to hate them. He was forced to return.

Utterly disagree. I didn’t start out as fans of theirs particularly but I’m very much on their side. If you don’t think the royal family are a bunch of dysfunctional arse-coverers you’re not looking hard enough. William has picked his side- and his mother would be appalled- but he’s choosing to try and rehabilitate the monarchy’s reputation because he knows it’s his job. Harry doesn’t have to do anything (and because of that he’s been treated second class all his life) and he’s clearly just decided “fuck this” and is putting a bomb underneath it. Good for him.