Admitted to hospital for covid but refused the vaccine

[MakeMineALarge1]

So it has just been on my local news that there are 19 people in hospitlal with covid and all of them had not taken up their offer of a vaccine.

This makes me angry, you refuse the vaccine but you'll accept hospital care, why?

[User24689]

Personally, I'm sick wit anxiety about my vaccine appointment next week. I can't sleep. I have read all the government information, read through the yellow card data, looked at stats for my age group relating to both covid and the vaccine, read the minutes from sage meetings. I bet a lot of people haven't done that but I suffer with anxiety and decision making is difficult for me.

All the information I have gathered makes me feel that on balance the risk for me is greater if I have the vaccine. But I'm still having it - purely because the thought of "refusing it" and having to deal with the emotional toll that will be put upon me from people like you has had me on the verge of tears all week. The social pressure and anger and bitterness is unbelievable. If I was a stronger person I would stick to my own judgement but congratulations, I'm a fragile person, so the social coercion has worked.

[GintyMcGinty]

Maybe this is being publicised to try to persuade vaccine refusers to get jagged?

[Toty]

So it has just been on my local news that there are 19 people in hospitlal with covid and all of them had not taken up their offer of a vaccine.

Sorry but how do you or any news outlet know this? Are medical staff making peoples private medical files available to the public now?

[Tootsey11]

To listen to people today on the radio berating those who haven't had the vaccine.

This makes me so angry, telling people to do it for everyone else, for the greater good. Tell that to the families of the 51 people who died of a blood clot after they took the vaccine.

[PetraRabbit]

SoupDragon- exactly. My friend who was hospitalised after her vaccine and is too frightened to consider a second dose after being so ill......shall we extend the vitriol to her for taking the vaccine, deny her treatment and leave her to rot. Surely she deserved it for making the wrong medical decision?

[osbertthesyrianhamster]

So? They still need to be treated.

[JemimaMuddledUp]

Someone may be eligible for the vaccine but not have had it yet for lots of reasons, including but not limited to:
Delaying it because of Ramadan
Having possible Covid symptoms on the day of the appointment so being unable to attend
Being unable to book an appointment or not receiving the appointment letter (different parts of the UK have different systems for booking)
Being housebound and so having to wait for someone to come to the house and administer the vaccine.

I've had both doses, but am not about to start pointing the finger at those who haven't without knowing the full story.

[XenoBitch]

@User24689

Personally, I'm sick wit anxiety about my vaccine appointment next week. I can't sleep. I have read all the government information, read through the yellow card data, looked at stats for my age group relating to both covid and the vaccine, read the minutes from sage meetings. I bet a lot of people haven't done that but I suffer with anxiety and decision making is difficult for me.

All the information I have gathered makes me feel that on balance the risk for me is greater if I have the vaccine. But I'm still having it - purely because the thought of "refusing it" and having to deal with the emotional toll that will be put upon me from people like you has had me on the verge of tears all week. The social pressure and anger and bitterness is unbelievable. If I was a stronger person I would stick to my own judgement but congratulations, I'm a fragile person, so the social coercion has worked.

It makes me sick to see stuff like this. That is not the way to get people to roll their sleeves up. Still, the people making you feel this way would say the ends justify the means.
I really hope you find some peace soon

[messeduppriorities]

If not having the vaccine only affected them, then fine, it's their choice and if it all goes wrong then the NHS is there as it always is to help them.

The problem is that it doesn't just affect them. The other patients in hospital who may be vulnerable might be exposed to high viral loads. The NHS staff who are vaccinated but, given the huge numbers of people involved, not all will have a great immune response. Or they may take the virus home to their families and communities.

So it isn't a case of not having the vaccine being like lung cancer or liver disease or heart disease or even a car accident. Those things don't make other people ill and potentially die.

[messeduppriorities]

I hope that come across as an explanation rather than a judgement. I was just talking to a critical care nurse about this issue this week and that is the reality. With Covid, one person's choices can be devastating for other people.

[MintyMabel]

As it is, pp are saying 6 have had at least 1 jab.

Which I’m sure will give people plenty of ammunition to start whining “see, the vaccine doesn’t even work, why should I have it”

[MikeWozniaksGloriousTache]

If they had simply “not taken up” the vaccine I could be one of those statistics if I was hospitalised. In reality I cannot for love nor money get the thing booked. The closest centre it has even showed me available appointments is 20 miles away in a city with limited transport links from mine and I don’t drive, despite there being several vaccine centres in my city. I guess I should be refused healthcare on the failings / capacity of the system?

[justasking111]

@MakeMineALarge1

So it has just been on my local news that there are 19 people in hospitlal with covid and all of them had not taken up their offer of a vaccine.

This makes me angry, you refuse the vaccine but you'll accept hospital care, why?

Having read threads on here for the last fifteen months where women were subjugated by men not to have the vaccine, nope I am not surprised.

[bumblingbovine49]

@PurpleDaisies

I’ve heard it in several radio shows that all but one person hadn’t had the vaccine.

In Bolton? We’re getting closer to the real story.

19 total.
5 had one jab.
1 had had both but was “frail”.

Still good evidence for vaccine effectiveness

Approx 70% of them were unvaccinated
Approx 25% partially vaccinated
Approx 5% fully vaccinated

Given the most vulnerable have been vaccinated and would normally make up the vast majority of admissions, if the vaccines weren't working we'd expect admissions to be proportionately more vaccinated people .

So whilst I certainly agree unvaccinated people should treated the same as vaccinated ones I'd they are ill, it is clear that by refusing the vaccine they are putting themselves much more at more risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid and of spreading it others more than if they were vaccinated . That is just a fact

[EvilPea]

Doesn’t it take sometime for the vaccine to take affect?

[PurpleDaisies]

@MintyMabel

As it is, pp are saying 6 have had at least 1 jab.

Which I’m sure will give people plenty of ammunition to start whining “see, the vaccine doesn’t even work, why should I have it”

At least it’s true.

I can’t understand why a thread based on totally wrong information is still even here.

[sweeneytoddsrazor]

A huge number of people accessing NHS care will be as a result of self inflicted conditions. This could range from abortion to smoking related diseases. And whilst you can argue that some of them aren't harming anyone else, most people would agree smoking does harm others.

Sports injuries may not harm others but you maybe responsible for someone else's sports injury. Should the amateur football player who has committed a foul and broken someone else's leg have to pay for that persons treatment. After all if they weren't playing football they wouldn't have broken someone's leg? Refusing anyone treatment for any reason is a very slippery slope to go down.

[rwalker]

I think the frustraton is the area with low compliance and low uptake of vacine had always struggled with higher than average infection rates ,high hospital admissions and deaths.

People agent's helping themelves

[StarryNight13]

@Accidentallydeletedoopsss - Has got it spot on.
You can’t force people to have vaccines and you can’t deny people hospital treatment, many of which will be paying taxes for this anyway.

[rwalker]

Aren't

[justasking111]

@MikeWozniaksGloriousTache

If they had simply “not taken up” the vaccine I could be one of those statistics if I was hospitalised. In reality I cannot for love nor money get the thing booked. The closest centre it has even showed me available appointments is 20 miles away in a city with limited transport links from mine and I don’t drive, despite there being several vaccine centres in my city. I guess I should be refused healthcare on the failings / capacity of the system?

Tell your gp this would be my advice. If no joy there your health board, someone can come to your home.

[BluebellsGreenbells]

Loving the ‘yeah but...’ brigade

Always an excuse, always a poor me story ...

The vaccine clearly works at reducing your own risk of becoming seriously ill and reduces the risk of spreading the very disease that has cause serious damage to the local economy.

Why wouldn’t you take it?

Why wouldn’t you wear a seat belt - it reduces risk

Why wouldn’t you wear shoes outdoors? It reduces risk.

We do lots of things to reduce risk ... the vaccine is one of them - which I took to reduce the risk to my children and elderly parents and grandparents.

[justasking111]

Looking at pictures of I think Bolton the long queues were mostly male, so were the women smarter than them I wonder.

[Goldieloxx]

It's the Government's fault for once again acting too slowly, this time so they could try and get a trade deal with India

[Tippytappytoes]

My immune system is suppressed, I have spent the last year trapped in my home. I have now had both injections now and I’m grateful to have been called for them. However, if someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine, that is 100% up to them. As a woman I can’t preach “my body my choice”, if I want an adult to receive a medical intervention they don’t want, no matter how much I disagree with their reasons.