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My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 3)

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workworkworkugh · 14/05/2021 22:24

Link to part 2:

My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 2) http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4223467-my-16yo-ds-and-his-girlfriend-part-2

Someone recommended I start another thread. I was a bit hesitant to do so I will admit.
I truly thought this would have been over in January, but here we are Confused

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Sssloou · 28/08/2021 19:06

She is easily triggered isn’t she? She saw the photo - fit jealous and insecure and reacted by snapping back and trying to gain control by hijacking his birthday and isolating you all from it.

You are right to not respond to her (although she may take this as an agreement with her “plans”) - but your DS, his siblings, you, his DF and extended family do not get excluded like this. Plan something fantastic and at the right moment tell your DS all about it. Ask him what he wants to do and explain that all of his family / friends want to share this experience with him.

I had this with my DS on his 18th and his nightmare GF. But I stood my ground calmly and gently and laid it out so that he could see she was unreasonable. I didn’t converse with her at all. He was v stressed as it was a tug of war - but he chose correctly. We also had the same issue when he went to Uni - she insisted on taking him - we said “No” - this is the moment to pick your battle. Dropping the rope about not rising to HER daily nonsense but still carrying on with your family traditions etc. Stand firm.

Sssloou · 28/08/2021 19:12

Sorry typo - dropping the rope is not about being triggered by her daily nonsense and getting into battle with her - but it is also about carrying on calmly and directly with your DS about your family traditions. You let some of the daily shit slide so that you keep your powder dry for the important events. You are not rolling over here or locking horns - you are just doing what any parent / family does.

Let the dust settle if it’s months away. Be strategic.

Sssloou · 28/08/2021 19:16

It makes me so sad, for us and for DS, I know he feels stuck in the middle and it must be so hard for him, but we've completely dropped the rope so I'm not sure how he feels stuck, from our side at least

This is pay back time - he won’t feel stuck in the middle because you haven’t been pulling or reacting. He will feel that she has dominated and controlled him - he is already expressing this to you - which is huge progress.

Trust that you will think of something wonderful that he will want to do and he will be attracted to doing that with his siblings and family - but do it last minute - don’t share any plans.

Sssloou · 28/08/2021 19:19

Be careful not to punish HIM for her manipulations that’s playing into her hands. That’s exactly what she wants - for you to have conflict with your son. Don’t fall into that trap.

Justilou1 · 29/08/2021 02:27

Why the hell do you have her on your socials anyway? I would never have accepted her to begin with. She uses it to spy on you and she’s obsessively competitive. Block her back.

workworkworkugh · 29/08/2021 02:38

@Orgasmagorical @notapizzaeater you are absolutely right. Her trying to show him how much she looks after him etc is exactly what she's doing.

@Sssloou we are just going to leave it for now as it is a little while away and see what happens closer to the date. DS said he doesn't know of any plans. It doesn't matter if we choose the most exciting thing ever, he would probably still choose her as she kicks up the most fuss.

@Justilou1 I don't have her on any socials, when they first started dating she used to message me on fb messenger which was fine. I haven't blocked her yet for the fact that she'll probably use it against me to DS but I will now.

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SofiaMichelle · 29/08/2021 07:11

Would this be still going on if it was your daughter being abused by her boyfriend, with the boyfriend taunting your husband about it?

Sssloou · 29/08/2021 09:18

@Sssloou we are just going to leave it for now as it is a little while away and see what happens closer to the date. DS said he doesn't know of any plans. It doesn't matter if we choose the most exciting thing ever, he would probably still choose her as she kicks up the most fuss.

I think that that is exactly the right thing to do for now - say nothing, don’t react. She wants to tug of war - so don’t give it. It will confuse her.

But don’t give up (even if you know he will most likely choose her) because again HE will be secretly disappointed in you if you suggest nothing (again it’s what she wants) - so as you say closer to the time decide what you want to do and suggest that to your DS - calmly and firmly and reinforce that he has a loving extended family who want to share fun / celebrations with him - even if you end up compromising that it’s not in the exact day / same weekend …. it should be offered and he should feel / see the contrast and the issues she is causing him.

Keep chipping away. You are doing great - I am sure you are RAGING which is appropriate but don’t express that emotion to either of them. Behave in a strategic way.

Don’t let her goading and provoking you make you flip out at your son - instead use it to imagine the mental turmoil he is in inside even if he isn’t able to totally see the level of manipulation and coercive control he lives under - he will be feeling it and one day soon he will know that all the stress comes from her.

@SofiaMichelle - of course this is a hideous situation (whatever gender) but it is also one that requires a v different and v precise way of managing it because currently the DS is brainwashed - the GF will be telling him 24/7 that the OP (the main threat to her) is evil etc she needs to show ACTIONS of contrast to these lies and the GF behaviour. OP needs to provide an attractive peaceful, safe harbour to attract him back to - otherwise any conflict will result in him moving out permanently and OP and her DS will be estranged as GF will block / censor any communication and he will be lost for years. This has only not happened because they are under age.

It’s a v v tough place to be for the OP, her family and her DS and high risk. His MH is the priority - any thing heavy handed would likely back fire.

OP needs to steady the family ship in the face of this evil disrupter GF but also keep building confidence and encouraging her DS to feel it and express it.

The minute she criticises the GF or gets into conflict with her DS because of his current mindset (through the lies and control) he will flip to defending her and become more enmeshed with her.

The OP can continue to educate him about healthy relationship behaviours (by continuing to demonstrate behaviours of kindness, respect, fun, openness, social stuff, choices in her own home to contrast what he is experiencing with the GF a as well as subtly highlighting / leaving him with questions around how specific incidents of her behavior leave him feeling - so that a light is being shone on it all) - but she needs to leave the final judgement of her behavior up to him as this will have the impact needed but she can skilfully lead him to see it.

It is a nightmare but there is really only one way out - having insight and compassion for what HE is experiencing (significant emotional abuse) which enables you to understand his difficult behavior and to manage him sensitively and effectively. To focus on rebuilding consistent, calm, loving trusting bonds with him (which she has destroyed and will continue to do so as these are in her mind a threat to her) which will give him the emotional stability to see what is happening and eventually the confidence to take the right action.

Going in all guns blazing (which is the natural right emotional reaction but the wrong behavioural response) would be disastrous.

She needs ignoring.

It’s v hard for the OP.

Also the DS loss of school, job, friends, apprenticeship will have further eroded his confidence and distorted his perspective. He isn’t living a healthy well rounded balanced life. But he has before and the OP is showing him, giving him choices and and encouraging him and also putting down boundaries around respectful behaviour and responsibilities so he will come back.

Orgasmagorical · 29/08/2021 10:47

use it to imagine the mental turmoil he is in inside even if he isn’t able to totally see the level of manipulation and coercive control he lives under - he will be feeling it and one day soon he will know that all the stress comes from her.

I remember so clearly feeling that I was going out of my mind, actually properly out of my mind, there was no other way to put it.

I didn't know why at the time but with the help of Women's Aid and counselling and, most importanly, the space to think once he had gone, I learned it's because that kind of abuse is designed to give you no time to see things clearly. It is, as they say, a complete headfuck.

workworkwork, I hope your son has the headspace sooner rather than later Flowers

Marni83 · 29/08/2021 11:49

Op
I asked upthread and sorry I missed

You said she has two jobs and studies very hard and gets good grades. That is going to take up a lot of time. When she is doing laid work or studying… what is your DS doing?

workworkworkugh · 29/08/2021 12:02

@Marni83 I'm not sure about when she studies but when she's at work he just sits in his room sometimes playing Xbox with his mates (who also work).
That's it.

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Marni83 · 29/08/2021 12:26

Can he get a job?

workworkworkugh · 29/08/2021 12:48

@Marni83 he had one, he quit when he went and lived with the GF. We've been trying to encourage him to get another one but he doesn't seem interested.

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Beefcurtains79 · 29/08/2021 16:42

Have you found out who gave him the Valium yet?

ForCluckSake · 29/08/2021 17:24

You need a medal for putting up with this shit.

Marni83 · 29/08/2021 17:36

[quote workworkworkugh]@Marni83 he had one, he quit when he went and lived with the GF. We've been trying to encourage him to get another one but he doesn't seem interested.[/quote]
To be honest
Most 16vyear old boys would choose sitting in their room playing computer games

Who’s paying for things for him?

I don’t think it’s a matter of encouraging

It’s saying… your girlfriend has two jobs and very good grades

Get a job

Marni83 · 29/08/2021 17:37

If he has a job
Own money
New social group

There’s a slither of a chance he would move in to a different space re his gf

Eralos · 29/08/2021 18:08

Oh I’m sorry I was hoping an update would say she’s dumped him/he’s dumped her

bringbacksideburns · 29/08/2021 18:50

God how horrendous. I feel for you. It's so intense. I have an 18 and 20 year old. I think you've done everything you possibly could do in an awful situation!

I would carry on reassuring him how much you love him and never mention her.

When he brings her up just do short civil answers.
If he asks you at any time what you think of her/ the situation etc and appears to be genuinely distressed and asking for advice , I would make it very clear to him you don't like her and that it isn't normal to message him about killing a parent like that and it has worried and upset you greatly but he is now a young adult so you have stepped away and are giving him that respect to make his own decisions.

I think the more you go on about it the more you push them together as you've realised, so carry on encouraging him to spend time with you and attend family things but if he is 'summoned' to be with her say nothing. Maintain your relationship if nothing else.

I think sadly she will continue to isolate him from everything and that unless he finally sees sense and has a wake up moment her going to uni could be the break up point for them. I know that's not good to hear because it's years away but don't give up Confused

If all he ever hears from her is unreasonable vitriol and hate about you and your family and you and your husband remain calm and together as a team he will start to realise she's not a well girl and should not be in a relationship with him hopefully!

Sssloou · 29/08/2021 21:32

She is systematically deskilling him in every area of his life so that he loses his confidence and becomes more and more dependent on her even for transport if she is learning to drive.

Do you ever see him joyous and positive OP - or has he slumped into an anxious and depressive state?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 29/08/2021 21:34

She is systematically deskilling him in every area of his life so that he loses his confidence and becomes more and more dependent on her even for transport if she is learning to drive.

Absolutely this. Isolating him and effectively removing his ability to make as many choices as he could if she didn't isolate him. Awful.

I really feel for you OP, this must be so painful to watch happen.

Lockdownbear · 30/08/2021 06:12

Just a different thought, I can kind of see where the councillor is coming from.

In a session with them both she can hardly admit to de-skilling him.

While you don't want to think of them with a future together. Can you imagine the thought process of him being asked how will he support his family without qualifications or skills?

At the moment she's thinking about her being the bread winner and him being a SAHP completely under her control.

Do you think the councillor understands the control she had over him?
I think you've nothing to lose by letting the councillor have a go at them both.

itsgettingwierd · 30/08/2021 09:31

You are doing really well. It cannot be easy watching your child get deeper and deeper into an abusive relationship.

It does sound though like he's seen some glimmers of light.

I think the councillor could be on to something. Throwing her off by announcing to her when she's unprepared to say what she sees his future as could open his eyes.

Because the outcomes will be.
A)she'll. are out she has huge aspirations for him and he'll be confident he has permission to get good qualifications
B) she won't answer and so the counsellor can guide him to choosing because he won't be scared of making a wrong choice
C) she'll let her guard down with the power and make it very clear she has aspirations to lead his life whilst she makes a load of money that isn't shared equally between them.

Sssloou · 31/08/2021 13:36

Really no professional counsellor would endorse this approach.

It would give her legitimacy and oxygen and inadvertently information and power which someone like her would manipulate and exploit in a frenzy to enmesh him further.

Normal rules of communication, rationale, resolution and reason don’t apply when dealing with this level of abuse, personality disorder and dysfunction. Grey rock is the way to go with her.

Make her irrelevant. Concentrate focus 100% on his emotional well-being.

This is a complex and high risk situation. The GF needs easing out without drama by attracting back the DS by counteracting the damage she is doing to his MH by building his confidence and self worth so he has insight to unhealthy behaviours and is able to access his own feelings of distress and then ultimately his own agency to remove himself from the situation. Much of this will be achieved in an implicit way - responding sensitivity and proactively to his subtle, nuanced mood changes. Taking opportunities where you can to engage - backing off when he diverts / projects his inner conflict on to you.

Imagine him in a cage with a lion one false move and it escalates - she becomes more fierce and your DS more distant. He is currently terrorised and emotionally trapped.

It needs to be managed by stealth. Keep pouring in the love, compassion, support, encouragement, fun social opportunities alongside v subtle challenge and it will finally flush her out.

PuttingOutFires · 31/08/2021 23:52

been following your thread for quite a while OP, just wanted to say you are doing amazingly and to stay strong - when this all blows over (and it inevitably will - how many people do you know who are still with their 16 year-old boyfriend?) he will know you have been there for him thoroughout.

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