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My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 3)

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workworkworkugh · 14/05/2021 22:24

Link to part 2:

My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 2) http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4223467-my-16yo-ds-and-his-girlfriend-part-2

Someone recommended I start another thread. I was a bit hesitant to do so I will admit.
I truly thought this would have been over in January, but here we are Confused

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Mix56 · 20/07/2021 09:59

No reason for you to pay his driving lessons, he isn't working, he isn't doing sport, isn't going to work, he's hanging around in GFs bedroom, so isn't going anywhere.
I would tell him he needs to come home or stay at GFs permanently as Covid restrictions do not allow alternate trips home.
I would tell his mother It has come to light, that the ONE occasion you agreed to, has become habitual alcohol supply, if she gives him alcohol you will be reporting her to the police, & she can also explain why she isn't following Covid rules to them.

workworkworkugh · 20/07/2021 10:32

Just to clarify, we're not paying for driving lessons, it was just us taking him for driving lessons/practice and we haven't even been doing that as he's too busy at her house and never wants to go if we ask (which we've also stopped doing)

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Justilou1 · 20/07/2021 21:10

Sorry I misunderstood the driving lesson situation.

butterpuffed · 20/07/2021 23:30

I'm surprised your DS let you read what the gf had written about their year together. Do you think it was to goad you, knowing you'd read the part about being provided with alcohol at the weekends ?

Mulhollandmagoo · 21/07/2021 22:34

You're definitely doing the right thing in playing the long game, he needs to figure this out himself and for that to happen he has to know that you're there for him no matter what, so respect to you for that. I would retreat a little right now though, don't mention her to him at all and keep communication to a minimum otherwise you'll feed the situation which is what his GF is looking for from you. The more she alienates him from you the better so don't let that happen... Lots of love to you Flowers

Sssloou · 24/07/2021 07:48

www.verywellmind.com/how-to-help-a-victim-of-domestic-violence-66533

There are some really helpful strategies with explanations in this article - much of which you are doing already - but some feels counterintuitive so it’s helpful to understand and keep reminding why your approach needs to be strategic even when the situation wears you down and you are triggered by each new challenging episode - because you are not dealing with normal.

You are doing well - make sure that you are building in enough restoration time and support for you and your family so that you can remain resilient to see this through.

Sssloou · 24/07/2021 08:06

Here are some key points from the article which should reinforce your confidence in your approach:

Emotional Signs of abuse:

Low self-esteem
Changes in sleeping or eating patterns
Anxious or on edge
Substance abuse
Symptoms of depression
Loss of interest in once enjoyed activities and hobbies

Behavioral Signs of abuse:

Becoming withdrawn or distant
Canceling appointments or meetings at the last minute
Being late often
Excessive privacy concerning their personal life
Isolating themselves from friends and family

What you should do:
Validate the Victim's Feelings
It's not unusual for victims to express conflicting feelings about their partner and their situation. These feelings can range from:

	Guilt and anger
	Hope and despair
	Love and fear

If you want to help, it is important that you validate their feelings by letting them know that having these conflicting thoughts is normal.But it is also important that you confirm that is not okay, and it isn't normal to live in fear of being emotionally or physically attacked.

Don't...

Bash the abuser.

Focus on the behavior, not the personality.

Blame the victim. That's what the abuser does.

Underestimate the potential danger for the victim and yourself.

Promise any help that you can't follow through with.

Give conditional support.

Do anything that might provoke the abuser.

Pressure the victim.

Give up. If they are not willing to open up at first, be patient.

Do anything to make it more difficult for the victim.

This advice is for independent adults so it’s v hard in your situation - but equally as delicate - seems that it’s a v fine balance of keeping doors open, diplomatically pointing out generic abuse behaviors, building their confidence so that they can see it’s wrong, not normal, that they don’t deserve this and have agency to either change the dynamics/balance of power or get out.

I am concerned that all his normal “touch points” - with emotionally healthy people - work, sport, friends, family are being eroded bit by bit and he is under stress at school.

NeedMoreTea · 24/07/2021 11:38

@workworkworkugh try not to let comments by others on here make you question yourself.

It's clear from your previous posts that this isn't just a usual situation of normal teenage moodiness/selfishness. It looks very much like he is being coercively controlled by her, and that her behaviour is being bolstered by her parents. It's likely she has a personality disorder so you're not dealing with a 'normal' person here. Having a massive row with him will only play into her hands.

Stay strong, look after yourself and the rest of the family, call out his bad behaviour when you need to, but remind him that you're still there for him.

Unfortunately the long game might be a lot longer than you expected at the beginning of all this.

MistySkiesAfterRain · 28/07/2021 20:30

I've only read OPs posts, I know two people like this at school. She went on to be diagnosed with a mh condition. He was wrapped up in it for years (though happily married to someone else now).

Make sure he knows if he wants to break up with her you'll fully support him. Tell him when its gone on enough, from a kind place, and that she's never going to change. Talk to him about what a loving relationship IS.

Sssloou · 28/07/2021 21:53

www.joinonelove.org/signs-unhealthy-relationship/

This is a really good website ….. you could get a Bingo full house on the signs of an unhealthy relationship with this GF.

He should also know what a good relationship looks like.

Quarantino · 28/07/2021 23:21

Thing is teens often don't care if something is 'unhealthy'. I know I didn't! Some of the 'coolest' things are unhealthy - smoking, drugs etc...

Apparentlystillchilled · 03/08/2021 06:49

Hey OP
Been thinking about you and your son, OP. It sounds like you're doing a great job so just wanted to let you know you're in my thoughts. Keep on keeping on.

Sitchervice · 04/08/2021 22:19

Hope your doing well op. I keep praying that your son will see sense.

workworkworkugh · 05/08/2021 11:03

Well, to start, I'm really proud of myself and have got so much better at being 'cool' and 'breezy' about things, on the outside at least haha

Had my birthday recently, he came for a family day out but that was a struggle and we only got him there because she was at work.
He went to her house afterwards though and missed my birthday dinner and cake because she was mad at him as he wasn't back home when she finished work when he said he'd be.
He had a fun day with us though which was nice.

Had a lovely, excited phone message from the school adviser I have been speaking to where she was congratulating us on DS apprenticeship, she was so happy for us all...except we knew nothing about it. He'd told two teachers he'd possibly lined one up with his dads friend = another lie.

Honestly Each day just brings something new, I'm truly not surprised anymore. Nothing shocks me. We just deal with whatever it is or let it slide right off our backs.

You bet I'll be back here popping the champagne when it's all over though!!! 🍾

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Orgasmagorical · 05/08/2021 12:02

Belated Happy Birthday, work Cake

He went to her house afterwards though and missed my birthday dinner and cake because she was mad at him as he wasn't back home when she finished work when he said he'd be. He had a fun day with us though which was nice.

If he was able to have some space from her for a while he'd be able to see the stark difference there, at the moment I think he'll just be going out of his mind trying to work out how not to get her angry Sad

Keep on keeping on, hopefully there will be positive changes soon Flowers

JacquelineCarlyle · 05/08/2021 13:50

Belated happy birthday Op. You're doing the best you can in awful circumstances so all credit to you. I'm another who's wishing you all the very best and hoping for a speedy resolution where he comes to his senses!

KnightandDay · 05/08/2021 15:12

Belated happy birthday @workworkworkugh 🥳
I think you're doing the right thing, keep going!
It'll be a Methuselah size bottle of champagne being popped when this is all over 🍾🥂

Lockdownbear · 05/08/2021 15:48

Keep going Op. He will see sense eventually.

Any idea what the motivation is for lying to school though? Is he thinking of leaving school or something?

Sssloou · 05/08/2021 16:16

This is a good update. Progress. Slow and incremental but it’s important that you are able to deal with it in a bright and breezy way.

It’s good that you had fun with him - that’s the bit to keep reinforcing - he needs to see and feel the contrast - and miss it.

Once he is more stable and trusting of you again - you can start to ask him the odd question to leave hanging - without judgment - so

“Is that what YOU wanted to do?”
“Do YOU think that was fair?”
“Oh - how did that make YOU feel?”
“Are YOU anxious about that?”
“Do you feel scared?”
“Did YOU have fun?”
“What are your friends up to?”

Also this part:

He went to her house afterwards though and missed my birthday dinner and cake because she was mad at him as he wasn't back home when she finished work when he said he'd be.
He had a fun day with us though which was nice.

Why did he say he would be back when he wasn’t? Did you invite her to yours? (Not suggesting that you necessarily should have - but it might have given her ammunition to whistle him back if you didn’t invite her).

Does he know what he missed with dinner / cake? Make sure he is told of all the fun things he is missing out on that are happening in the family and amongst his friends.

You are doing great.

Sssloou · 05/08/2021 16:22

I think he'll just be going out of his mind trying to work out how not to get her angry.

This is exactly it. He is scared of her anger, volatility and rejection. He is probably barely conscious that he has adapted his whole life to accommodate her controlling and demanding behaviours and this will keep him in a preoccupied state - anxious not to do or say the wrong thing for her to abuse him - that’s why he kicks off at you - because you are emotionally safe - you will not reject, abandon, demand or humiliate him - this is where he is letting off steam from the relationship. But if there is no friction with you he can’t redirect and discharge his distress/anger on to you. He will have to see where it needs to go.

mummabear20202022 · 05/08/2021 18:23

@workworkworkugh My heart truly goes out to you. If I'm honest I managed to read all 3 threads and can quite honestly say that you have much more restraint than me- I'd have ragdolled the girlfriend, her mum, dad AND the son and done the time for it.

The behaviour from your son is unacceptable however classic victim behaviour. If this was the man doing this to the woman there would be uproar!

I hope it all ends soon and he sees how fucked up the whole situation is !

QueenBee52 · 05/08/2021 23:23

Happy Birthday @workworkworkugh

you truly deserve a wonderful day 🌸🌺

workworkworkugh · 09/08/2021 00:07

So some good news, DS went and saw two of his friends (brothers) on Saturday night! It's been 12 months since he's seen any friends face to face.

He didn't see GF all day as she was working two shifts and she apparently 'told' him he should go see his friends.

DS was in a good mood so I said I thought she didn't like when he did that and he replied that she's now used to him talking to his mates on the Xbox so she didn't mind if he sees these particular friends, she's still unsure about him seeing his best mate of 14years tho as she doesn't like him 🙄😡

When I was dropping him off I said I hope he has a good time, he said 'yeah until she finishes work and decides she's mad at me for going'
Anyway, he went for a few hours and she was apparently ok with it (we don't believe that for a second but we're happy he went at all!)

Last night though while he was at her house, I was in DS bedroom getting his younger brother off the Xbox (we have two but the particular game was on the one in DS bedroom), turned and saw on his desk, in the open no snooping, a tablet in its package, I picked it up and it was a Diazepam 5mg with a note that says "use this to help, thank me later".

We messaged DS and he said it was from when he moved out and it was only the one and he hasn't taken any.
We're still to speak to him further about it.
We're not sure if it's the GF's or the Mothers.

There's always something 😔

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TheSilveryPussycat · 09/08/2021 00:24

At least he hadn't taken it, I suppose.

I have been following your threads for a while, and am so very impressed how you are coping with such a difficult situation. BrewBrew

TrampolineForMrKite · 09/08/2021 00:43

You don’t want him getting hooked on Valium, but I’d have real concerns that he’s suffering from anxiety now, @workworkworkugh. Very worrying for you but clearly he won’t talk about it with you or his dad. If it’s the mum’s then she’s a bloody fool dishing out such a highly addictive prescription medication to a teenager.

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