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My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 3)

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workworkworkugh · 14/05/2021 22:24

Link to part 2:

My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 2) http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4223467-my-16yo-ds-and-his-girlfriend-part-2

Someone recommended I start another thread. I was a bit hesitant to do so I will admit.
I truly thought this would have been over in January, but here we are Confused

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SpringCrocus · 26/06/2021 01:01

I'd be banning her from entering your property, after what she's done

QueenBee52 · 26/06/2021 02:08

could she be Pregnant ?

QueenBee52 · 26/06/2021 02:14

Your DS was called out and it was necessary .. he cannot be allowed to rule the roost and continue to be the sulky brat whilst making everyone else miserable.

GF brought the gifts and visited because..

a) She knew you would not be there..

b) She is trying the good ole 'divide and conquer' ...

she manipulates everyone into thinking she's so nice ... isolating you .. as you are the only one that believes her calculating..

She's bloody good.. I'll give her that..

Your Son is a larger problem now OP.. he can't be treating you all like this. 🌸

TellmewhoIam · 26/06/2021 02:50

I wouldn't eat or drink anything from her that she isn't having too.

legosnowqueen · 26/06/2021 07:51

I'd be suspicious too...but try to focus on rebuilding the relationship with your DS - which doesn't mean tolerating bad or unkind behaviour, not least because your other DCs are witnessing this. Unmumsnetty hugs as it's exhausting walking on eggshells all the time & not being able to enjoy in the moment because of worrying about what comes next Thanks

itwa · 26/06/2021 08:09

On the basis that your ds is not about to give her up and his gf is not going to end the relationship, you have to think ahead and imagine what 'new normal' is going to be?

I would guess both of them are testing the waters to see if this is acceptable (particularly as you weren't there).

If you and your dh decide she's never allowed in your house forever, there's a risk of returning to your ds never being there?

As much as I hate to say it, you need to decide what level of contact is ok for you. And yes, I have read all the threads and I understand op would be well within her rights never to have the gf cross the threshold. But at what cost?

Mix56 · 26/06/2021 08:24

She was marking territory, she knew you were out. So it was a perfect flipping 2 fingers, knowing she had been there in your absence.
Obsv DS had told her you were out, & she made sure to be gone again swiftly.
Does she drive ?

Part of your DS behaviour is standard ado shit, Of course its all your fault, it couldn't possibly be his right ? but its good DH stood up to him.
He is still home. Why isnt he st GF's mothers every other week ?
KOKO.

NeedMoreTea · 26/06/2021 09:12

I'm delurking to say that you have been amazingly patient all the way through this, and you are doing really well.

The situation must be exhausting, but please do not be drawn into starting to trust her.

I can't quite remember exactly when it was back in the threads, but I'm sure I remember that the last time she was being nice was when they were trying to persuade you to let them go on holiday together (was it with her dad?).

It looks to me that she wants something. They're either going ask for something in the next few weeks, or she sees that her grip on him has weakened and is trying to ingratiate herself.

Don't forget how manipulative she is. Stay strong, we're all here for you.

Orgasmagorical · 26/06/2021 09:34

@TellmewhoIam

I wouldn't eat or drink anything from her that she isn't having too.
I agree. She's fighting for her life here, she's lost a bit of control, her measures will become more desperate. Please be careful, Workworkwork.
NameChangeAgain2 · 26/06/2021 10:59

Is there any chance she could be pregnant? Confused

workworkworkugh · 26/06/2021 11:16

I don't think she's pregnant and I don't think we need to be wary of the boxed food that she gave DH, but he refuses to eat it anyway simply because it come from her (petty yes, but also 😂)

I'm not sure if she knew I wasn't going to be home, DS seemed surprised that I was going out and I can't remember if i had mentioned it to him previously.

If I do see her, I'll be polite because that's the sort of person I am and I know if I'm too rude/blunt then it plays right into her narrative of what a bitch I am, but I'll also struggle to be even 'fake nice' to someone I clearly hate.
Her parents let her get away with her behaviour, DS let's her get away with it and now I feel like we're expected to.

The Mum apparently told DS to just let GF do her do her own thing and ignore her and she'll get over it whenever she throws a tantrum.
She also had a 'bet' going with DS that the GF would be mad at him about his week of work 🙄

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QueenBee52 · 26/06/2021 12:55

I don't think she's pregnant and I don't think we need to be wary of the boxed food that she gave DH, but he refuses to eat it anyway simply because it come from her (petty yes, but also 😂)

I don't blame him...

TellmewhoIam · 26/06/2021 13:30

Have you seen the film Heavenly Creatures (based on a true story)? Please be careful! www.rottentomatoes.com/m/heavenly_creatures

Sssloou · 26/06/2021 14:53

@workworkworkugh

Latest mini update. Thursday wasn't the best day. DH and I have been doing so well in keeping our emotions and frustrations in check but Thursday it blew up a little bit. We're pretty annoyed with ourselves as it feels like it sets us back. It's so frustrating though, DS just refuses to engage in any conversation, particularly about GF but also anything else if he feels like we 'have an agenda', when it's usually just us trying to have a conversation.

He was pretty rude to me and I was a bit upset and DH had just had enough and called him out on it.
DS still blames me for nearly everything that's happened and I did question why I'm held to a different standard compared to GF and her mum. (I know, I know, I should've just kept my mouth shut but it does wear you down over time).

Anyway, that aside, completely randomly GF told DS she was coming over to our house last night (Friday night).
I happened to have a work function on so wasn't home.
She apparently came in like nothing happened, gave DH a box of chocolates and had some chocolates for our other DS and stayed for an hour (it was after her work shift so pretty late).
We did ask DS why now after all this time, as she hasn't been over or barely seen us since October but he gave the standard answer of 'I don't know'.

It's actually really thrown us. We can't work out any reasoning or motive for her to suddenly come over. We feel like something is coming but maybe we're just too suspicious and on edge.

I mean, it was only on Monday that she was telling DS that she had the best day without him and realised how much she doesn't need him in her life anymore (because he went to work experience).

This bit is the most important.

In addition, what her mother said - encouraging him to anticipate, absorb, internalise and tolerate her toxicity and volatility is shocking. She is emotionally injuring your DS. He is carrying so much in this highly abusive RS that he is entangled in. He is expected to be the emotional punch bag of this unstable girl - I am sure that the parents are delighted that he has stepped into the ring to take the blows instead of them.

Looks like he has endured a week of emotional violence, bullying and threats.

He is likely exhausted, preoccupied and raw from this - so at the end of his tether and so flips out at you rather than her.

Hurt people, hurt people.

This doesn’t mean his behaviour is acceptable - it just means that if you can look behind his immediate behaviours, to explore and explain them, to understand where he is at emotionally, you might be able to see him more compassionately and then choose to respond to him in a different way.

I expect he has little emotional capacity left and any questioning or demands is too much right now. He has been pushed and pulled for nearly a year and all of his usual emotionally balancing and nourishing activities and outlets (friends, family, school, work, privacy, mental downtime) which help him cope with normal life, have been removed - so he has no emotional sustenance or fuel left in the tank.

Him flipping out at you is not acceptable but there is another response option which isn’t a tense, terse, angry outburst which is counterproductive. A calm, considered, de-escalation approach is needed.

Opposite to Michele Obama - when he goes high - you go low. Take the emotional temperature right down, don’t engage at this level, ask him to calm himself - if he is unable to, say that you are leaving for 5 minutes and are happy to discuss in an assertive, adult, calm, collaborative and cooperative way.

Model these skills for him.

It’s not a straight line - don’t lose hope - it will take time for him to untangle his mind and work a way out of this. He can only do this in a calm, supportive environment. You need the patience of a saint for this so make sure you fuel up emotionally at this very difficult time for your family.

Just continue to be light, compassionate, calm, listening (to his actions and moods - need words less) warm, loving but also boundaried, assertive and firm - no need for angry outbursts and confrontation (he gets enough of that from her) and it will drive him back to her.

He has come home because it’s emotionally safe and supportive.

Keep showing him your home is a contrast to his existence with her.

She is v unstable and enabled by her parents. Your DS is taking the brunt of this and then it passes on to you. So you need to not be triggered by his emotions. I would see him as a wounded, confused and disoriented animal that is snapping at the RSPCA who are trying to save it from danger.

Be careful not to chase him back to the danger.

QueenBee52 · 26/06/2021 15:07

A family cannot be advised or expected to TipToe around a teenager because his GF is unstable thus making him lash out at his Family..

this is just wrong 😳

Sssloou · 26/06/2021 17:20

I am not suggesting that anyone tiptoes around anyone.

I am suggesting that blowing up at the DS when he is emotionally dysregulated is counterproductive and a better approach is to de escalate the situation before engaging in assertive, boundaried, firm and collaborative conversations.

Locking horns achieves nothing.

Modelling appropriate calm communication is the way forward.

If you want your child to communicate respectfully then you need to practice what you preach.

Of course there then should be direct and consistent consequences for poor behaviour choices.

But it depends how you view the context in which the DS finds himself in as to whether you implement the carrot or the stick.

Whether the OP sees her son as a one dimensional obnoxious brat or that his behaviour has declined and exacerbated due to the extreme stress and threats that he is being constantly subjected to.

This young boy has found himself in an environment where two adults (the GF parents) have groomed him for a year to tolerate exposure to deeply emotionally abusive behaviours - until a week or so ago he was in this environment 24/7 subjected to these 3 toxic and manipulative people, isolated and cut off from his family and friends.

I suspect he is highly agitated and doesn’t know what way is up.

I am not sure what he has to explain to his parents about his GF - I doubt he has the emotional insight or maturity to know these dynamics - he just knows he is torn, confused, stressed and hurt.

We as adults with experience and perspective can see exactly what’s going on - a 16 year old boy deep in the thick of it can’t see it and isn’t coping well with his life.

IMHO handling a distressed, fractious, depressed teenager who seems to have withdrawn from most of his activities and relationships and who is subjected to emotional abuse by 3 people 24/7 - with care and support (and consistent consequences) is not tip-toeing around them - working intelligently and sensitively through a serious, complex situation with a very vulnerable teenager.

QueenBee52 · 26/06/2021 21:06

OP you and your family are doing great despite the circumstances. 🌸

Lifeisforalimitedperiodonly · 27/06/2021 00:25

Hang on in there OP. You are doing brilliantly.

itsgettingwierd · 28/06/2021 16:33

She is a complete manipulated and abusive.

She basically tells him off for not being there when she wants him but also tells him how she enjoys time away from him.

She wants him sat around waiting for her and her parents tell him to do the same.

Also agree you have to call him out on his behaviour when necessary.

He may choose to remain in the relationship with her despite her actions but he doesn't then get to do the same to you to even it out.

TomNookk · 29/06/2021 00:47

you are still doing great

workworkworkugh · 29/06/2021 12:04

I'll put this to the masses before we make a decision just to see out of curiosity what others would do.
The dad has just messaged as he is going away on a short holiday next week and has asked us if DS can go too.

Now after the last time he went, she started on him the very first night he was back ("Dont your parents understand why I need you here!" When he stayed home for dinner instead of going to hers)
And the next weekend was the incident at the football and the kill your mum etc etc.

So we realise we can't stop him, but I just hate the idea of him going but also realise my judgement and opinion is clouded.
We are also hoping to go away as well but the days probably won't overlap and we know we're hard pressed getting DS to come with us but he will happily go with her.

Would you say yes/no/leave it up to DS?

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Mix56 · 29/06/2021 13:16

Has DS said he wants to go ?

I would reply to the father, & tell him you have only recently managed to retrieve your 16 your old CHILD, away from his daughter
Thank him for inviting DS, but you feel it is NOT in his best interests to be lured away from his home at 16 yrs old. He has a whole lifetime to learn & grow, & mature

You want to give him a chance to live a healthy relationship which he is clearly not at present.

I suppose the problem is the father telling GF that you are refusing

QueenBee52 · 29/06/2021 13:19

ask him if he wants to go... let him go.. wave him off

step right back OP .. 🌸

whereislittleroo · 29/06/2021 14:04

@QueenBee52

ask him if he wants to go... let him go.. wave him off

step right back OP .. 🌸

I agree with this. Ask him. You've made amazing progress, I think stick to the strategies you've been using more recently.
HostessTrolley · 29/06/2021 14:19

Does your son know about the holiday? I’d be tempted to ask him if he would want to go - making him aware that if he’d prefer not to, then you would just find a reason to not give permission so he wouldn’t get the backlash from the gf…