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My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 3)

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workworkworkugh · 14/05/2021 22:24

Link to part 2:

My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 2) http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4223467-my-16yo-ds-and-his-girlfriend-part-2

Someone recommended I start another thread. I was a bit hesitant to do so I will admit.
I truly thought this would have been over in January, but here we are Confused

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Sssloou · 21/06/2021 10:16

Early days. Keep it gentle and trust the process.

Look how far you have all come.

He is talking to friends online.
A F2F opportunity is happening soon.

He is proactively seeking emotional connection with you by openly talking with you - sharing and showing his vulnerability. This is where he will reflect, change and grow stronger.

He has chosen to come home and stay home.

He has taken his emotional and physical space from her by being at home, leaving his job and even avoiding school.

Although the last two are problematic these actions indicate the fear, confusion and emotional turmoil and cognitive dissonance he finds himself in.

Remember he repeatedly said he was “scared” - fear is paralysing and “flight” or withdrawal is a standard survival technique.

He is now processing the negative stuff and telling you. That’s important and testament to his love and respect for you.

Let him “debrief” he has been through an emotional trauma - he got stuck into the vortex of an emotionally abusive RS and enmeshed in that dysfunctional family.

He is probably still reverberating and trying to make sense of it.

He is still in it but he is slowly separating.

Don’t focus too far ahead on them splitting up - just look at helping him to maintain the emotional and physical distance so that he can recover.

He lost himself in this. This has been very overwhelming.
Slowly he will find his own sense of self again.

Talking to you is a huge positive step. Don’t probe, but always be emotionally available - always validate everything he says - gently reflect / repeat it back with his own words “Yes of course you must have felt x, I can see why you would be hurt / confused / etc” Don’t judge her or him or the RS - let him to that.

Is he still doing his sports? Exercise is really important for low mood and this is also a huge part of his identity.

It’s great that he has work experience sorted - that should really help with a total change of scenery. It is all shifting in the right direction.

Keep an eye on his mood and keep speaking with school.

You have done really well to have got him to this place where he is today. It might well continue to be a bumpy ride for some time - but it’s the beginning of the end.

If they do split up it will likely be plenty of fireworks and back and forth - I doubt it will just fizzle out. He will need you to be a calm, non judgmental, supportive safe haven during that time.

I hope that you are doing lots of restorative, indulgent, self care and seeking support from trusted family and friends - because you need it to get you through - you are not dealing with normal here. You, your DS and your family have had a brush with an unhinged, toxic, dynamic. You just need to extract yourselves out of this calmly, slowly and safely.

Don’t engage with her DPs.

workworkworkugh · 21/06/2021 11:06

Well he did his first day of work experience today, he had a great day so of course shit has hit the fan with the GF.
He's trying to better his future, you'd think she would be encouraging.

It's actually a bit funny what happened at the beginning (DS reaction I mean) but then she gaslighted the fuck out of him and told him he's "just tired and overreacting".

Please let this be the beginning of the end 🤞🤞🤞

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legosnowqueen · 21/06/2021 11:39

Great advice from @Sssloou & good news re the work xp

Sssloou · 21/06/2021 12:26

Yep she is highly anxious and losing control so has to whip up a chaotic storm to unsettle him which draws him emotionally back to her.

He might need some v subtle help joining those dots.

But maybe first it’s best that you counteract her pollution / negativity / shadow on his work experience by ignoring her opinions antics totally and instead bigging it up, asking what he loved about it, the people, celebrating his success - whip up the excitement etc. Maybe get the DGP etc to ask how the work experience is going - always positive, encouraging, light, exciting and fun ..... to bleach out and throw contrast to her behaviours.

He needs to breathe oxygen and feel sunlight out of this oppressive RS.

Keep being his warm and wonderful Mum.

Sssloou · 21/06/2021 12:37

You can drop in some gentle neutral language at different points if appropriate:

“You don’t have to turn yourself inside out for anyone”

“No need for such negativity and drama. Life should be light, simple and fun.”

“Always surround yourself with uplifting and positive people”

He may also need direction and permission to protect his placement experience because she could well sabotage it. He could be informed that he should have his phone off whilst on the placement, that he should spend his lunchtimes socially engaged with his colleagues etc - that it’s unprofessional to be scrolling through phone etc - so that she doesn’t upset him at work.

Also if he does have long work days and is not used to the routine - then he needs proper rest and down time in the evenings etc so that he can be emotionally present and focused to get the best out of it ..... so any evening calls are short etc.

FunMcCool · 21/06/2021 16:23

@workworkworkugh you sound like an amazing mum. Your son knows this too. I don’t think he’ll be with her forever. He’s too young for that he’ll grow and change. So will she.

CoraPirbright · 21/06/2021 17:59

It’s so interesting that ds said that the gf basically hates everyone that she comes into contact with. I have my fingers crossed for you that he is finally coming out of the fog. If/when she realises that she is losing her grip, hells bells, be prepared for a serious shit storm! Thinking of you OP.

QueenBee52 · 21/06/2021 20:51

@workworkworkugh

Well he did his first day of work experience today, he had a great day so of course shit has hit the fan with the GF. He's trying to better his future, you'd think she would be encouraging.

It's actually a bit funny what happened at the beginning (DS reaction I mean) but then she gaslighted the fuck out of him and told him he's "just tired and overreacting".

Please let this be the beginning of the end 🤞🤞🤞

I'm so glad he enjoyed it...

You know yourself OP.... GF's reaction was of course expected.. He cannot dare be allowed to enjoy anyone else's company except hers...

Glad he's enjoying this week... Flowers

TomNookk · 22/06/2021 00:36

so glad he enjoyed! with his recent comments it does seem like he is seeing the light !! really hoping for you op

Hawkins001 · 22/06/2021 00:51

All the best op

LaLaLand888 · 22/06/2021 02:26

I've read all 3 threads and I have to be honest, it's exhausting. My parents would have kicked me out a long time ago. He's choosing to shack up with a nutcase who wants his mother dead. You should have gone absolutely ballistic then. 16 is more than old enough to understand how wrong this is. But you are giving him a safe space to continue in this madness. He needs to choose if it's her or you, end of story. And if he chooses her, he can come back only when he's ended it. You may lose him completely but you've lost him already. He's fucking up his future while dragging you down with him. You are just soo passive in all this, she's got you all exactly where she wants you.

Raindancer411 · 22/06/2021 06:40

@workworkworkugh I shall keep fingers crossed and although they don't go out to meet others, don't forget there is the internet these days!!!

Womencanlift · 22/06/2021 08:21

@LaLaLand888 what awful advice. I am wondering if you would say the same if it was the OPs daughter and not son

To wash your hands of someone who is in an abusive relationship is absolutely terrible.

Yes it must be frustrating for the OP and her family but I think she has been handling this admirably

Justilou1 · 22/06/2021 09:05

@Womencanlift… I very much doubt that @LaLaLand888 has RTFT, as they haven’t recognised that he’s back now, and he’s hardly seeing GFH (Girlfriend From Hell) now. Agree, shit advice.

IsItSafeToBeOptimisticYet · 22/06/2021 10:15

[quote Womencanlift]**@LaLaLand888 what awful advice. I am wondering if you would say the same if it was the OPs daughter and not son

To wash your hands of someone who is in an abusive relationship is absolutely terrible.

Yes it must be frustrating for the OP and her family but I think she has been handling this admirably[/quote]
I completely agree. @LaLaLand888's advice is dangerous.

Mulhollandmagoo · 22/06/2021 11:52

@workworkworkugh

Well he did his first day of work experience today, he had a great day so of course shit has hit the fan with the GF. He's trying to better his future, you'd think she would be encouraging.

It's actually a bit funny what happened at the beginning (DS reaction I mean) but then she gaslighted the fuck out of him and told him he's "just tired and overreacting".

Please let this be the beginning of the end 🤞🤞🤞

🤞🤞🤞

Don't even mention his girlfriend's reaction to it, just keep talking about the work experience and keep him talking about it, maybe even a celebratory meal out at the end of the week? Make the excitement of his work experience bigger and more engaging than her reaction.

Be warned though, she may ramp up now as she is losing her grip, so try and keep him grounded, talk about everything but her, and keep telling him how proud you are of him and asking him about the path his work experience is putting him on and what he hopes to come of it

Sssloou · 22/06/2021 17:22

Really agree with @Mulhollandmagoo - imagine you are trying to tease him away from the dark side by pointing out another more exciting lifestyle - so that he will be attracted to turn away from her and move towards the light - which is where a teenager should be.

GinaJaffacake · 22/06/2021 18:47

No further advice OP but just checking in and thinking you must be bloody exhausted. Flowers

PinkCast · 23/06/2021 17:04

I really hope your DS had continued to enjoy his work experience. Fingers crossed experience of the wider world will open his eyes.
You've had a rough time, but sounds like things are improving 🤞

Bear65 · 23/06/2021 19:38

Wonderful news to hear he had a first great day, fingers crossed for more good days! Thinking of you OP...

Twoforthree · 23/06/2021 20:46

How has the rest of the week been so far?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 24/06/2021 16:32

Work experience being positive will boost his self esteem too. Well timed, really.

cameocat · 24/06/2021 17:31

Keeping everything crossed that this is the beginning of the end.

Yet more poor advise dispensed (lalaland), from people who like to say you are being far too this etc. Ignore these!

ItsallBollocksanyway · 24/06/2021 18:20

Thank you @lalaland888 for that demonstration of exactly what not to do when supporting someone in an abusive relationship.
Op you are doing an amazing job. Your son will recognise this eventually and you will be closer than ever I suspect. My DM was similar and I really appreciated that she was always there for me and gave me the space to talk without fear of repercussions. It gave me the courage to eventually move on from a toxic relationship

workworkworkugh · 26/06/2021 00:43

Latest mini update.
Thursday wasn't the best day. DH and I have been doing so well in keeping our emotions and frustrations in check but Thursday it blew up a little bit.
We're pretty annoyed with ourselves as it feels like it sets us back. It's so frustrating though, DS just refuses to engage in any conversation, particularly about GF but also anything else if he feels like we 'have an agenda', when it's usually just us trying to have a conversation.

He was pretty rude to me and I was a bit upset and DH had just had enough and called him out on it.
DS still blames me for nearly everything that's happened and I did question why I'm held to a different standard compared to GF and her mum. (I know, I know, I should've just kept my mouth shut but it does wear you down over time).

Anyway, that aside, completely randomly GF told DS she was coming over to our house last night (Friday night).
I happened to have a work function on so wasn't home.
She apparently came in like nothing happened, gave DH a box of chocolates and had some chocolates for our other DS and stayed for an hour (it was after her work shift so pretty late).
We did ask DS why now after all this time, as she hasn't been over or barely seen us since October but he gave the standard answer of 'I don't know'.

It's actually really thrown us. We can't work out any reasoning or motive for her to suddenly come over. We feel like something is coming but maybe we're just too suspicious and on edge.

I mean, it was only on Monday that she was telling DS that she had the best day without him and realised how much she doesn't need him in her life anymore (because he went to work experience).

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