I want neighbours like the people that surrounded that van in Glasgow

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These people are legends. This was the tonic I needed:

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This is not about promoting lawlessness. Dawn raids are barbaric and it was EID.

@Quincie

There's BBC Scotland tv and Radio Scotland - so I don't see why you feel so deprived

BBC 1/2 etc aren't BBC England though, are they? They purport to be a SERVICE for the entire UK, but we routinely see bias and the side lining of all the home nations except for England. Things are far better now, but as ssd has said we all grew up feeling like we didn't matter one jot: there was rarely anyone who sounded like me on the BBC or much coverage of our culture/ events/ lifestyle.

I know the area well. Trust me, you mostly don't want neighbours like you'd get. Few of the decent people, by far the majority, in that area, want neighbours like they have. Violent crime, sexual assault, domestic violence, drugs, theft and burglary. There is a reason why the disenfranchised live there...

Says a lot about humans in this group of four nations when the violent criminals, drug dealers and burglars can see the wrong in what was happening, and the Home Office of our wonderful United Kingdom with their right honourable, highly-educated elected officials, along with everyone who voted for them and supports their approach, cannot.

I also agree with @ssd. Even if we weren't technically the underdogs, that's the narrative you're fed from the day you're "shat into civilisation" and you learn to own it with pride, and find solidarity with the other underdogs.

Maybe that's why the shitty deprived disenfranchised area did what they did? If it's actually as shitty and disenfranchised as you're making it out to be, that is. I live in one of those shitty deprived areas myself and sometimes spending ten minutes on MN makes me grateful for the friendly drug dealers at the end of the road, who've taken my bins out when I've forgotten and helped me find my dog when she ran away. Fuck getting into arguments over who owns 15cm worth of hedge and passive aggressive parking disputes and your neighbours complaining that you ran your washing machine at shock horror 9pm 😂.

Scotland has an ageing population to support, a post Brexit immigration policy we didn't vote for, and a record low birthrate of 1.37 (when 2.1 is needed for population growth). We absolutely need immigrants and if some of them are asylum seekers and refugees looking to build a life and raise a family here, good IMO.

@ssd brilliant post, I live near there too so know the area and people, there's a strong community feel round there, probably more so than Govanhill but i don't know why?

@winched

I know the area well. Trust me, you mostly don't want neighbours like you'd get. Few of the decent people, by far the majority, in that area, want neighbours like they have. Violent crime, sexual assault, domestic violence, drugs, theft and burglary. There is a reason why the disenfranchised live there...

Says a lot about humans in this group of four nations when the violent criminals, drug dealers and burglars can see the wrong in what was happening, and the Home Office of our wonderful United Kingdom with their right honourable, highly-educated elected officials, along with everyone who voted for them and supports their approach, cannot.

I also agree with @ssd. Even if we weren't technically the underdogs, that's the narrative you're fed from the day you're "shat into civilisation" and you learn to own it with pride, and find solidarity with the other underdogs.

Maybe that's why the shitty deprived disenfranchised area did what they did? If it's actually as shitty and disenfranchised as you're making it out to be, that is. I live in one of those shitty deprived areas myself and sometimes spending ten minutes on MN makes me grateful for the friendly drug dealers at the end of the road, who've taken my bins out when I've forgotten and helped me find my dog when she ran away. Fuck getting into arguments over who owns 15cm worth of hedge and passive aggressive parking disputes and your neighbours complaining that you ran your washing machine at shock horror 9pm 😂.

Scotland has an ageing population to support, a post Brexit immigration policy we didn't vote for, and a record low birthrate of 1.37 (when 2.1 is needed for population growth). We absolutely need immigrants and if some of them are asylum seekers and refugees looking to build a life and raise a family here, good IMO.

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@winched 👍👍 well said 👏

Proud of my home city . My 23 year old son is in that crowd .😻.

Neighbours were great. Immigration officers can be heavy handed I’ve known people who have been detained then released over over the years as appeals go in. The home office is free to lose paper work and evidence and then detain. They may well be granted leave to stay just the system Is screwed up.

It's the law. Being in a county illegally.
Other countries would do the same if we entered their country illegally

BBC 1/2 etc aren't BBC England though, are they? They purport to be a SERVICE for the entire UK, but we routinely see bias and the side lining of all the home nations except for England. Things are far better now, but as ssd has said we all grew up feeling like we didn't matter one jot: there was rarely anyone who sounded like me on the BBC or much coverage of our culture/ events/ lifestyle.
Maybe you have the wrong provider - Sky has a dozen different BBCs - n Ireland, Wales , Scotland NE? Anyway loads -
Your complaint applies to all of England imv, the bbc were London centric, That are now changing.

Winched : well bloody said

@Moondust001

Whilst I do not support the actions of the Immigration Service, and deplore the timing as well, it's amusing reading how many people would like neighbours like these. I know the area well. Trust me, you mostly don't want neighbours like you'd get. Few of the decent people, by far the majority, in that area, want neighbours like they have. Violent crime, sexual assault, domestic violence, drugs, theft and burglary. There is a reason why the disenfranchised live there...

I have 3 friends in the area, all in social housing. They love it.

I am gobsmacked by the number of PPs who are advocating mob rule, to prevent government officials going about their lawful business. If someone is in the country illegally, then they should be deported.
And it is beyond ridiculous to say that you should not arrest Sikhs in a Christian country during a Muslim festival. What possible relevance do other people’s religious festivals have to law enforcement?
Should bank robbers and rapists be allowed to invite their friends and neighbours round to obstruct their arrest, or just illegal immigrants?

Well said @winched We also tend to tolerate less shite

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Nicola wanting Indyref2 and trying to make the London Gov to be the bad guys - a b so l u t el y Nothing!

I'm a weedgie in London. This makes me miss home so much.

Yes, very well said @winched!
@Trappedonanisland Let your son know that a randomer on Mumsnet thinks he's a legend, along with all the other people in that crowd. Had I been there, I would have joined them!

@Gingernaut

So what if it's Eid?

The immigrants about to be deported were Sikh.

Lots of us celebrate Eid.

I was really moved when I watched the video. It reminded me of two things - most people are really decent, and the power of peaceful protest should not be underestimated.

Well done those protesters!

Oh, they want to knock us down cos they think we're scum
But we will all be waiting when the bulldozers come
In a neighbourhood like this, you know, it's hard to survive
So you'd better come prepared cos they won't take us alive

(And that's a YANBU)

It was brilliant. Also agree with @winched, excellent post.

@Quincie

There's BBC Scotland tv and Radio Scotland - so I don't see why you feel so deprived

Was that to me?

It’s by no means a shitty area. It’s actually very economically mixed which makes fir the best sort of neighbourhood.

And it wasn’t a mob. The crowd was mums, dads, young and old and very peaceful.

Those men have lived and worked here for 10 years, contributing to the economy and community, but still have no right to remain. That’s really not fair. Scotland needs people who want to come and live here, we have an ageing population.

The issue with the timing of the raid being during Eid is that it is designed to spread fear in multicultural communities. Its a message. There is no day off limits.

Yes, aren't we blessed with our 3 channels Quincie! You clearly have no idea what you're on about there.

Other Scots, can you remember when it was the school holidays, but because our holidays started before England, we didn't get kids holiday telly until half way through, and then had to go back to school knowing full well it was still on??

@Quincie

Oh and Gaelic tv channel too

taigh nam gasta ort

@Febo24, catch up hen, see my post above