To actually be concerned that my DC will be learning this absolute nonsense

[ParkItRay]

I've been noticing a lot lately on social media, people in the comments referring to 'penis holders', 'chest feeders', 'people with a cervix' etc...

Just reading a thread now on a group I'm in and not a single person is saying the word man or woman (it's a discussion about circumcision and whether it should be banned).

The world has gone fucking mad and I can't stand it. I'm genuinely concerned that my DC are going to grow up thinking this utter nonsense is right.

I feel like the only person who's thinking 'MEN, YOU MEAN FUCKING MEN FOR CHRIST SAKE' as literally everyone on it seems to be buying into this crap.

It's utterly insane.

Do you know what? I never, ever thought I’d be on this side of this particular argument but you’ve driven me there @ParkItRay. Congratulations. I’m pretty sure that’s a long way from what you intended

If saying people with a prostate are male and therefore included under the term men, the definition for which is adult human male, then it didn't take much.

As far as talking about male circumcision in your discussions go, that's an abhorrent practice that happens usually to babies and babies do not have an identity. Not one they can express anyway. If hospitals and health visitors needed to pin point what babies were at risk they would need to be told to look at what babies?

It's utter dehumanising shite.

If you take this mangling of language to its extreme - how do you know you're a person with a cervix, if you are never known as a woman? That's why language like this, which is supposed to be so inclusive, actually ends up being exclusive, as it can only be understood by those who have a good grasp of biology.

[quote SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius]@Fixitup2 - I have seen it said that we shouldn’t talk about female circumcision because that is exclusionary language and makes trans women feel excluded and sad. Because the feelz of privileged westerners matter more than little girls being held down and butchered without anaesthetic.[/quote]
YES, this.
All it does is put the rights of the genuinely dis empowered back again.
I don't want my vulnerable 13 yr old Autistic daughter having to use 'gender neutral' loos / changing rooms. She deserves a safe space.
I don't want my 16 year old Autistic son being taught that 'pansexuality' is the only socially acceptable way to be. I am teaching them both that the need to respect the boundaries of themselves and others regardless of their sex, gender identity, colour / creed.
The bloody awful Academy they are at seems to be feeding them the opposite message. We are about to move to Scotland where women no longer exist, officially, thanks to the SNP and the Greens. It's crazy.

Yanbu op, what a load of crap it all is.

All it does is put the rights of the genuinely dis empowered back again.I don't want my vulnerable 13 yr old Autistic daughter having to use 'gender neutral' loos / changing rooms. She deserves a safe space

We all deserve a safe space. I don’t want gender neutral loos or changing rooms either.

As long as we continue to acknowledge that women (and men) exist, I honestly can’t see what the problem is with using terms that don’t offend trans people, though. Particularly in a health context. That’s a step too far for me.

By why would a word used to describe a sex class be offensive ?

The conflation of sex and gender amd the desperation to not offemd actually resulted In the death of a baby. A transman gave birth to a still born baby after no one picked up that they were in labour. The ability to lie about biology and the worry of being thought of as a bigot fir not going along with it, placed both patients in danger.

Diseases do not care about your identity. Medical issues should be spoken about clearly. Take "chest feeding " fir example. If someone talks about having chest pain do they mean a heart attack or mastitis?

this bullshit is not inclusive. this is men taking the piss. and women being complicit in their own erasure.

MN is the only place I encounter any of these weird phrases.
Only Because MNers are complaining about them.

I just keep on relentlessly using the word woman and being very specific about things with my two.

"No, DS, a baby won't ever grow in your tummy because you are a boy. Only women grow babies in their tummy".

I do have to admit though, I haven't come across this in RL. Everyone I know continues to refer to women/men.

@ParkItRay

I'd genuinely be upset if any of my kids came home talking like this.

I wouldn’t get upset about it - just put them straight, like I did when my nearly five year old came home from school saying that ‘sometimes boys can change in to girls’

My response to that was ‘No love they can’t. No one can change. Ever. But people can wear what ever clothes they like to wear as that’s up to them’

I was reading an article which was posted on the feminism board tabout the Queens Bench Master being a transwoman and the article said this was only the second woman to ever be in the post and I thought no. It’s the first transwoman not the second woman in post. which is a great achievement for the person in question and they sound like an exceptionally talented individual.

But it demonstrated clearly how women are disadvantaged by this new language. The board of an organisation could have 50% of their numbers made up of transwomen and claim equal representation while not having a single biological woman.

The whole thing is just insane, Its a distortion of language aimed at undermining sex based rights and protections.

My response to that was ‘No love they can’t. No one can change. Ever. But people can wear what ever clothes they like to wear as that’s up to them

That's a good response. I hope it sunk in. Schools have been taught now that they can transition a child, provide access to clothing etc, change names behind parents back if necessary.

@araiwa

I only hear this stuff on MN.

Never heard anyone say a penis beholder or cervix haver outside of people on MN complaining about it

Then you're not really listening. Only the other day a guest on a lunchtime TV programme demonstrated something that 'penis havers' or 'vagina havers' could use.

Dr Xand refers to 'pregnant people'

On the BBC website today it gave figures of 'people' who die of ovarian cancer.

It's insidious, offensive and harmful.

Sal Brinton of the Liberal Democrat’s said that a Parliament that was 50% men and 50% trans women would be fine

So 100% men then

Ok made note to never vote for the Lib Dems

DD has a hell of a lot of kids in her year group who claim to be trans/gay/pan/bi/insert other woke phrase here. So much so that it’s generally considered to be social suicide to consider yourself straight and born into the correct gender

It’s fucking bat shit how society has gone.

You can’t be born into the wrong body, that’s basic biology and utter bollocks to say otherwise. You can, however, choose to live as a different gender. Thats up to the person involved and I don’t judge that. I do, however, judge the pressure put on kids these days to actually come out as trans when they’re not, by the overuse of such ridiculous phrases as you mention in the OP!

Women give birth. Women have periods. Men do not. It really is that simple.

And don’t even get me started on the non binary bullshit.

I feel the same

nope

Or greens. We are non men which is a deal breaker before we even get to the real big issue both greens amd LDs had

@Fixitup2

What about female circumcision?

It's called femal genital mutilation not female circumcision.

I’ve seen this kind of language on SM a fair bit, and in some media articles but so far am yet to encounter it ‘in the wild’.

One thing I have noticed though is how performative it often seems to be. Even the workest of people have been known to use a phrase like ‘uterus/cervix haver’ and then use ‘woman’ elsewhere in the same article (to refer to females).

As an aside, am I the only one who noticed ‘penis beholder’ upthread? Made me laugh!

@Nopenopenopenooooo

Ok made note to never vote for the Lib Dems

Don’t vote Labour or Green either, they’re all as bad as each other on this issue.

Females- "only women can get ovarian cancer"

Male genderists - "you're reducing women to body parts and dehumanising me with your 'cis privilege' of being able to die of a female cancer."

Also male genderists - "you must now call yourselves vagina havers, cervix owners, menstruators, birthers, chestfeeders etc etc but you must call US women"

Females - "but you're reducing us to body parts and dehumanizing us....."

Male genderists - "BIGOT, PHOBE, HATE CRIME etc etc"

It's a big load of sexist bullshit. Oppressors infiltrating the oppressed class to oppress us further. Removing the very language that we've used to fight our oppression making it impossible to point out the obvious and advocate for the female sex.

Sex isn't gender. So why are people pretending it's how we should segregate spaces?

Adult males are demanding access to all single SEX spaces where women and children are at their most vulnerable on the basis of nothing but feelings.
When the equality act exemptions, that keep out ALL males regardless of any identity, are blocking them, they now lobby for those exemptions to be removed so that females can no longer say no to them.

Those exemptions are in place because we don't know which males are sex offenders, rapists, peados or fetishists and which aren't, and whilst 98% of all these crimes are committed by penis owners, irrelevant of any identity, then a blanket ban is the ONLY option to keep those spaces safe for females.

Funny how we aren't allowed to refer to transwomen by their body parts though but they can refer to us by ours.

Why does a transgender man's wish tonotbe referred to as a "woman" override my, and many other people's, wish to maintain the definition of woman?

The 99.9% having their language controlled and policed by the tiny minority who chose to opt out.