To think Scotland will now get their independence in next few years after election result?

[wishiwasabraverman]

Just that really...SNP did absolutely brilliantly. Shows that the majority of the Scottish people are behind them. Am I right in thinking they will get their independence in a couple of years?

The thing is, it's all very well asking questions about the finde detail of what Scotland leaving the uk would be like but, like brexit, a lot of these details cannot be hashed out unless there is the certainty of a yes vote behind it.

For indyref1 a 600 page white paper was produced, I wonder how many people actually read it? There was a hell of a lot more detail in that than there ever was for Brexit.

Yet polling shows support for independence has fallen so regardless of how the SMP might of performed last week a vote for them does not necessarily transfer into support for independence
It’s horribly divisive, significantly costly I just don’t think they’ve got a well thought out plan for what they would do if the vote actually went for independence.
The SNP need to start using the money and the powers they have more effectively before before anything else.

OP said "To think Scotland will now get their independence". You lost your pseudo-independence hundreds of years ago, and it ain't coming back. I think a move to having one British team for rugby, football, etc. would help remove some of the confusion too.

If there's another referendum, they need to enshrine in law, what year they can hd the third one.

It would not be seats voting in a referendum, it would be the people. And the majority of people voted for pro-union parties. I do not believe for 1 minute that a single person that wants Independence would have used their vote for SNP or Green, whereas as I personally know a few SNP voters that do not want independence.
The SNP have been in power for 14 years and destroyed education, NHS and the Police force to name but a few - all things within their devolved power yet they continue to blame Westminster for their failings.

@bellmyring

OP said "To think Scotland will now get their independence". You lost your pseudo-independence hundreds of years ago, and it ain't coming back. I think a move to having one British team for rugby, football, etc. would help remove some of the confusion too.

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@bellmyring

OP said "To think Scotland will now get their independence". You lost your pseudo-independence hundreds of years ago, and it ain't coming back. I think a move to having one British team for rugby, football, etc. would help remove some of the confusion too.

Oh do fuck off.

This kind of shit is exactly why so many people want to leave the UK.

The thing is, it's all very well asking questions about the finde detail of what Scotland leaving the uk would be like but, like brexit, a lot of these details cannot be hashed out unless there is the certainty of a yes vote behind it.

And who is actually doing the negotiating looking at the grand job the current UK government did negotiating the Brexit fiasco.

@Fandangoes

It would not be seats voting in a referendum, it would be the people. And the majority of people voted for pro-union parties. I do not believe for 1 minute that a single person that wants Independence would have used their vote for SNP or Green, whereas as I personally know a few SNP voters that do not want independence. The SNP have been in power for 14 years and destroyed education, NHS and the Police force to name but a few - all things within their devolved power yet they continue to blame Westminster for their failings.

sorry I meant I do not believe that anybody that actively wants Independence would have voted for a pro-union party, ie anyone other than SNP or Green. On the other hand some Green & SNP voters are against Independence.

In my ideal world I would like voting to be compulsory so that you could get a true representation of what the country wanted.

I think Scotland will and should get independence now and I say that as someone not remotely Scottish who lives in London (but not Weeestminstaar). I think this for three reasons -

• Scotland has been dragged into Brexit (as have many in England and I’m livid enough), but if I were Scottish I’d be incandescent. So morally they have the right to independence now.

• Scotland is quite a different culture anyway and the weather is also more different than people think. This affects quite a lot of aspects of Scottish life, like school terms etc as the summers are shorter.

• They already have their own education system and their own Parliament anyway.

• Scotland or may not be better off, but that’s down to them and what they make if independence and it’s impossible to predict. The rest of the U.K. will be better off because areas such as Northern England etc can receive the extra funding instead.

• All politicians are annoying, but NS is particularly annoying I have to say (even though I generally agree with her), and if AS is starting up again, I don’t want to see him wittering on a daily basis.

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

In my ideal world I would like voting to be compulsory so that you could get a true representation of what the country wanted.

Except you wouldn't. All that would happen is the people who don't care will either vote randomly or will spoil their ballots.

Aye. You are probably right.

I used to think compulsary voting was a good idea, but now, in all honesty, I'd rather the people who can't be arsed to educate themselves didn't bother to vote at all.

After listening to a wee gobshite outside the voting hall ( describing how he was going to draw bits of his anatomy in the boxes - you can guess the three bits) - again, you are probably right.

@cuju2407

I am strongly opposed to independence and I really fear for our future. I really hope people open their eyes to the financial impact it will have on us

Yes it's a potential disaster

I'm from England, and I think it's their moral right to have a second referendum with this result. It does look pretty 50/50 though so I guess there will be caution on both sides (unless everyone who voted green did so explicitly for independence - maybe a survey might help?)

I would be disappointed Scotland left because it probably leaves us with our current government forever – but could well contemplate a move north of the border in order to live in a more social democratic/European country.

@IsThisJustLife haha! You mean join austerity, with ever increasing child poverty, poor education abd not a chance of getting into Europe?

@MyCatIsADentist

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"The proportional representation system used for Holyrood elections essentially did its job of producing a parliament which roughly mirrors the way people voted as a whole across Scotland.

The SNP took just under half of the vote, and won just under half of the seats in parliament."

Hi,

The actual vote didn't show the majority were behind the SN. Pro independence parties just w won the election, the SNP did not get an outright majority and as for voters they only won 40% of not a full turnout. SNPwould be mad to think they will win a referendum

@UrAWizHarry

I used to think compulsary voting was a good idea, but now, in all honesty, I'd rather the people who can't be arsed to educate themselves didn't bother to vote at all.

Do tell me then exactly the following, with evidence:

What currency will we use when we leave?
How much richer will everyone be?
Will tax increase, ever, or go down?
Will food prices increase?
Will the NHS get any better? How will it get better? How long will that take? How much extra tax do we pay for that?
Same as above for education.
Same as above for police and fire service.
Can you guarantee the EU will take us?
Why do you want to swap one union for another?
How much debt will we have from leaving the union?
What military will we have when we leave?

@ClarkeGriffin If Scotland stays in the union do tell me exactly, with evidence:

How much richer will everyone be?
Will tax increase, ever, or go down?
Will food prices increase?
Will the NHS get any better? How will it get better? How long will that take? How much extra tax do we pay for that?
Same as above for education.
Same as above for police and fire service.

Given nobody has a crystal ball then it makes zero sense to ask those in the context of this debate, so they can and should be ignored.

As for the others, yes, there are still questions to be answered but many of them can't be answered without a firm commitment to independence. Do you think the EU would have spent how many years it was bashing out a brexit agreement before any referendum took place?

So really, you can perhaps reduce that list to 1 or 2 questions that either make any sort of sense or can actually be properly answered before complex negotiations take place. That's not to say they are not important, of course.

[quote UrAWizHarry]@ClarkeGriffin If Scotland stays in the union do tell me exactly, with evidence:

How much richer will everyone be?
Will tax increase, ever, or go down?
Will food prices increase?
Will the NHS get any better? How will it get better? How long will that take? How much extra tax do we pay for that?
Same as above for education.
Same as above for police and fire service.

Given nobody has a crystal ball then it makes zero sense to ask those in the context of this debate, so they can and should be ignored.

As for the others, yes, there are still questions to be answered but many of them can't be answered without a firm commitment to independence. Do you think the EU would have spent how many years it was bashing out a brexit agreement before any referendum took place?

So really, you can perhaps reduce that list to 1 or 2 questions that either make any sort of sense or can actually be properly answered before complex negotiations take place. That's not to say they are not important, of course.[/quote]
Well, for now, tax is going up, food prices are going up. NHS services are being cut (morays maternity ward is getting shut down so anyone with a complicated birth has to go to Aberdeen). Police gets cut all the time, I saw an idea by snp a few years ago about the fire service wanting them to do extra work on top of what they do and take a pay cut. All of this done by the snp. We have schools with bad heating, with leaks in them and a system that is very bad.

So considering that they have been in power, what, 14 years now? How come the country is in such a state if they are the almighty party that is always right?

You should have answers to those questions. They claim we will be better off, you are a supporter, prove it. Prove how we will be and I might vote for it. Until you can, based on how scotland has gone downhill in 14 years, they can piss off.

You know that, post independence, there will still be elections, right? Tax and spending will be set by whichever party is in power at the time.

And actually, I haven't come out and said I support independance without question. I support Scotland's right to self-determination, and that is not the same thing at all.

Like a pp I agree with a lot of what Gordon Brown says too, but I diverge in thought in that I don't think we will be able to achieve a more progressive and inclusive society as part of the RUK. My union supporting friends all have the same goal as I do, we just disagree on how to get there.

I think it's an appalling time to be talking about another indieref, but I'll vote yes if it comes to it. I also tend to vote Labour when I can so by no means an SNP voter, for all of you pointing out that a vote for the SNP isn't necessarilya vote for independence - it can work the other way too.